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Mike

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Oct 19, 2010
 

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Who keeps making and planting these ugly little bronze statues on the Floyd? I saw a new "basket" one just the other day by the Smith Point bridge. I think they're ugly and creepy. Who's authorizing this?

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Oct 19, 2010
 

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I happen to like them. More power to who ever is placing them around. They are trying to enhance the community. What are you doing, Mike?
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Oct 19, 2010
 

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I sometimes walk down to the beach with my daughter and the first time i saw the one of the children on the median i thought it looked odd and out of place. I told my then 9 year old "See what happens when you play in traffic?" I think it's a nice idea but yeah, maybe some are a bit oddly placed. The one of the boy and the turtle in front of Hess looks a bit odd. There was a ski mask over the bronze boys face for a while really making it look obscene.
Honest Frank

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#4
Oct 19, 2010
 
The Illuminati are placing these statues to distort Mastoids reality
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Oct 20, 2010
 

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yeah they are creepy looking, but it's better than looking and the regular breathing creepy looking figures we'd be looking at otherwise
Mike

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They may very well be thinking that they are enhancing the community. But, is that reason enough to allow it? This opens up much bigger question of 1. the subjectivity of art in public spaces "for the good of the community" or 2. an artist furthering their own personal agenda - possibly at the expense of the community.

Is there a committee that is approving these statues and their placement in the community? If not, can anyone now mount what they deem as "art" anywhere they choose on the Floyd? If it was approved, whose approving it and what's the process?

On a separate note, MB, you can like these statues and I can dislike them, and we can agree to disagree. Art is very subjective. But, my community work ethic and yours, for that matter, have no relevance to this discussion.

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Mel

Bronx, NY

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Oct 20, 2010
 
we need a bronze of singing Mary on the Floyd now that she has retired to West Palm Beach http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Tammy

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Mike wrote:
They may very well be thinking that they are enhancing the community. But, is that reason enough to allow it? This opens up much bigger question of 1. the subjectivity of art in public spaces "for the good of the community" or 2. an artist furthering their own personal agenda - possibly at the expense of the community.
Is there a committee that is approving these statues and their placement in the community? If not, can anyone now mount what they deem as "art" anywhere they choose on the Floyd? If it was approved, whose approving it and what's the process?
On a separate note, MB, you can like these statues and I can dislike them, and we can agree to disagree. Art is very subjective. But, my community work ethic and yours, for that matter, have no relevance to this discussion.
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-Mike
You most likely are one of the area's residents who find it much easier to complain about people who do their best to improve their community.It would probably be a real effort for you to get away from your key board and help with the numerous improvement projects being done by this group.
Would you rather see garbage in place of all the statues.Have you seen the nice arrangement of statues by McDonald's that were donated by the group that you seem to enjoy complaining about.Are you aware that there will be gardens planted by the statues by the railroad? That was just an area of grass and weeds with garbage mixed in. There were also spring flowering bulbs planted by the statues near the water. This same group planted 2000 bulbs down William Floyd Pky.last weekend. Are you going to complain about that next because you wanted a different type bulb.

Have you ever helped at one of the many clean-ups of our town by this group and others. Or is it just Art that bothers you, not garbage, and cigarette butts laying in the streets and grass along the roads.
These statues were approved before placement.
Mike

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Tammy - I'm sure that if I bullet-pointed my community efforts they would never be enough for you so please take the first place ribbon for community action, give it to yourself and give yourself a good ol' pat on the back. I applaud your efforts in planting gardens around the statues in question - I hope they grow quickly, and tall.

Surely, you must agree that art is worthy off constructive criticism, and it deserves, at times (publicly placed and approved art, for example), explanation? I think the statues are ugly, creepy, odd in their composition, and I'm surprised they are populating our community without much attention.

I would still like to know who made them, who placed them, what the process is, who the "group" is that you refer, and what was the approval process. And,(gulp) are more on their way? If so, can I suggest some locations for them.

Thanks,
Mike

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<quoted text> You most likely are one of the area's residents who find it much easier to complain about people who do their best to improve their community.It would probably be a real effort for you to get away from your key board and help with the numerous improvement projects being done by this group.
Would you rather see garbage in place of all the statues.Have you seen the nice arrangement of statues by McDonald's that were donated by the group that you seem to enjoy complaining about.Are you aware that there will be gardens planted by the statues by the railroad? That was just an area of grass and weeds with garbage mixed in. There were also spring flowering bulbs planted by the statues near the water. This same group planted 2000 bulbs down William Floyd Pky.last weekend. Are you going to complain about that next because you wanted a different type bulb.
Have you ever helped at one of the many clean-ups of our town by this group and others. Or is it just Art that bothers you, not garbage, and cigarette butts laying in the streets and grass along the roads.
These statues were approved before placement.
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Oct 20, 2010
 
Tammy is correct. This group has done a lot work to try to make things better. What have you done, MIKE?
It takes a long time for them to apply for grants, locate places to put the statues and then have them installed. They do many other great things, like planting community gardens, holding clean up and many other things. They are part of a larger organization that does nothing but help the community. Maybe Mike, should join with them instead of complaining.
Tammy

Brooklyn, NY

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Oct 21, 2010
 
Mike wrote:
Tammy - I'm sure that if I bullet-pointed my community efforts they would never be enough for you so please take the first place ribbon for community action, give it to yourself and give yourself a good ol' pat on the back. I applaud your efforts in planting gardens around the statues in question - I hope they grow quickly, and tall.
Surely, you must agree that art is worthy off constructive criticism, and it deserves, at times (publicly placed and approved art, for example), explanation? I think the statues are ugly, creepy, odd in their composition, and I'm surprised they are populating our community without much attention.
I would still like to know who made them, who placed them, what the process is, who the "group" is that you refer, and what was the approval process. And,(gulp) are more on their way? If so, can I suggest some locations for them.
Thanks,
Mike
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Just by asking who put the statues where they are tell me you do not do much for our towns if anything. We are a very well known group. Anybody who belongs to one of the many community groups in our area know us.
I am sorry that you don't like the statues. Not everybody has the same appreciation of the finer things in life.
You also do not seem to know how to research on a computer. If you did you wouldn't be posting all your questions. Very easy with all the information out there to find us on the computer.
It would have been so nice that instead of these complaints about the statues, we would see complaints about the real problems in our area.
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Oct 21, 2010
 
Nel are you related to Honest Frank? You sound as crazy as he does.
Tammy

Brooklyn, NY

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#14
Oct 21, 2010
 
I really do hate all these negative posts about our area in blogs like this by people from the Mastic's, Shirley and Moriches.Hard to believe they actually live in our towns.
The best way to bring down an area's property value is to put posts like some of these on web sites that knock our area. These posts can be seen by everybody.
If some residents would wake up and start looking for the good here and posting that information we would encourage people to move here.Or would you rather have people think it was a real dump so that we get more welfare,sex offenders etc.
How about some NICE comments about The Montauk Hwy Project. Our Towns have improved so much over the years.If you dislike it here, move, don't bring down our property value.
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#15
Oct 21, 2010
 
I agree with Tammy about people who live here and bad mouth the community. If you don't like it then get the hell out. Of course probably the people who are complaining have no choice because they have been dumped here by social services and are the people who are the ones destroying our community. We have no problem with taking our fair share of social services placements but we have an overabundance and most of them could care less about taking care of their children and their homes.
Mike

Avon By The Sea, NJ

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Oct 21, 2010
 
Tammy - You're right. I should have done some research on it. And, now that I have done it, I wish that I didn't. This is what I found:

"Then, when she and her husband were visiting Atlantic City on a trip to the casinos, she said, they saw several statuary retailers near their hotel. They stopped in, and she liked the bronze sculptures on sale. The group ended up buying nine of those sculptures, to be displayed amid the fast-food restaurants and gas stations that line William Floyd Parkway, the area's main road, as well as in other areas....

The project was paid for with $80,000 in town, county and state grants over the past three years. The money will also be used to bronze a 10th artwork, a 7-foot-high statue of William Floyd, who had an estate in Mastic Beach. "

If I understand this correctly - ONE person's taste in art decided on what's best for the entire community. And, apparently I can't comment on it because i'm not a "model citizen", or so you keep assuming. Why should I have to justify my worth in the community in order to be "eligible" to make a comment on your tastes in art?

Tammy, I am not trying to undermine your efforts. Bravo for trying to make a difference. I think the flower gardens are a great idea. But, buying a heap of bronze statues outside of an A/C hotel on the way to play the slots and doing it "for the community" is questionable. And, for the record, I think all the statues should stay! Just because I don't like them doesn't mean they should be taken down. Art evokes thought, criticism and debate. And, that's what we're doing in this forum. So, please don't try to derail things into a "what have you done lately" mentality just because you're upset by my opinion.

Finally, to your last comment: "It would have been so nice that instead of these complaints about the statues, we would see complaints about the real problems in our area." Would it? Would it really be "nice" to open up yet another complaint forum about drugs, trash, or sec.8's? Aren't there enough of them already? The fact that we're debating and complaining about ART, for a change, is FANTASTIC! This is EXACTLY the type of debates that should be going on here - but, keeping them focused on the subject matter at-hand is challenge.

Thanks,
Mike
Tammy wrote:
<quoted text> Just by asking who put the statues where they are tell me you do not do much for our towns if anything. We are a very well known group. Anybody who belongs to one of the many community groups in our area know us.
I am sorry that you don't like the statues. Not everybody has the same appreciation of the finer things in life.
You also do not seem to know how to research on a computer. If you did you wouldn't be posting all your questions. Very easy with all the information out there to find us on the computer.
It would have been so nice that instead of these complaints about the statues, we would see complaints about the real problems in our area.
amez5106

Mineola, NY

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Oct 21, 2010
 
hey listen the community isn't all great but im staying another few more years as a home owner if it doesnt get better i like the other ones who complain then should get out. so stop complaing and leave no one has a gun to ur head.
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Oct 21, 2010
 
Anyone who paints or writes anything is in violation of the graffiti laws, you can only paint what you own, people may defend artist but even profane graffiti is considered art by many. You cannot allow any person/persons to deface even if they think its nice. Thats why laws are made! If you are confused you need to give out your address so they can deface your house with paint, or have your neighbor paint his house bright red or green florecent maybe you will think twice. Some people also think thats art!
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Oct 21, 2010
 
Mike wrote:
Tammy - You're right. I should have done some research on it. And, now that I have done it, I wish that I didn't. This is what I found:
"Then, when she and her husband were visiting Atlantic City on a trip to the casinos, she said, they saw several statuary retailers near their hotel. They stopped in, and she liked the bronze sculptures on sale. The group ended up buying nine of those sculptures, to be displayed amid the fast-food restaurants and gas stations that line William Floyd Parkway, the area's main road, as well as in other areas....
The project was paid for with $80,000 in town, county and state grants over the past three years. The money will also be used to bronze a 10th artwork, a 7-foot-high statue of William Floyd, who had an estate in Mastic Beach. "
If I understand this correctly - ONE person's taste in art decided on what's best for the entire community. And, apparently I can't comment on it because i'm not a "model citizen", or so you keep assuming. Why should I have to justify my worth in the community in order to be "eligible" to make a comment on your tastes in art?
Tammy, I am not trying to undermine your efforts. Bravo for trying to make a difference. I think the flower gardens are a great idea. But, buying a heap of bronze statues outside of an A/C hotel on the way to play the slots and doing it "for the community" is questionable. And, for the record, I think all the statues should stay! Just because I don't like them doesn't mean they should be taken down. Art evokes thought, criticism and debate. And, that's what we're doing in this forum. So, please don't try to derail things into a "what have you done lately" mentality just because you're upset by my opinion.
Finally, to your last comment: "It would have been so nice that instead of these complaints about the statues, we would see complaints about the real problems in our area." Would it? Would it really be "nice" to open up yet another complaint forum about drugs, trash, or sec.8's? Aren't there enough of them already? The fact that we're debating and complaining about ART, for a change, is FANTASTIC! This is EXACTLY the type of debates that should be going on here - but, keeping them focused on the subject matter at-hand is challenge.
Thanks,
Mike
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Oct 21, 2010
 
Mike wrote:
Tammy - You're right. I should have done some research on it. And, now that I have done it, I wish that I didn't. This is what I found:
"Then, when she and her husband were visiting Atlantic City on a trip to the casinos, she said, they saw several statuary retailers near their hotel. They stopped in, and she liked the bronze sculptures on sale. The group ended up buying nine of those sculptures, to be displayed amid the fast-food restaurants and gas stations that line William Floyd Parkway, the area's main road, as well as in other areas....
The project was paid for with $80,000 in town, county and state grants over the past three years. The money will also be used to bronze a 10th artwork, a 7-foot-high statue of William Floyd, who had an estate in Mastic Beach. "
If I understand this correctly - ONE person's taste in art decided on what's best for the entire community. And, apparently I can't comment on it because i'm not a "model citizen", or so you keep assuming. Why should I have to justify my worth in the community in order to be "eligible" to make a comment on your tastes in art?
Tammy, I am not trying to undermine your efforts. Bravo for trying to make a difference. I think the flower gardens are a great idea. But, buying a heap of bronze statues outside of an A/C hotel on the way to play the slots and doing it "for the community" is questionable. And, for the record, I think all the statues should stay! Just because I don't like them doesn't mean they should be taken down. Art evokes thought, criticism and debate. And, that's what we're doing in this forum. So, please don't try to derail things into a "what have you done lately" mentality just because you're upset by my opinion.
Finally, to your last comment: "It would have been so nice that instead of these complaints about the statues, we would see complaints about the real problems in our area." Would it? Would it really be "nice" to open up yet another complaint forum about drugs, trash, or sec.8's? Aren't there enough of them already? The fact that we're debating and complaining about ART, for a change, is FANTASTIC! This is EXACTLY the type of debates that should be going on here - but, keeping them focused on the subject matter at-hand is challenge.
Thanks,
Mike
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I have no idea where you got your information but you must have missed out on part of it. No one person makes a decision about anything that goes onto Town or County property. There are many levels of approvals before a statue is placed anywhere. Also the grant process is not a snap either.
While you sound like a fairly smart person, you should get all the facts straght before you start attacking a person or a group who is only trying to do things to better a community.

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SMITH POINT, NY

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I don't think Mike was attacking anyone...he expressed some concern about who placed the statues and under what authority and voiced his opinion about the fact that he didn't like them. Seems that some people are being rather sensitive. I think the association who is responsible are an amazing group of very dedicated people. They work very hard to improve and unite our community. However, not everyone knows who they are and should not be penalized for it. Additionally, I agree with Mike - I'd much rather be discussing art in these forums than some of the other garbage that goes on in here.

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