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Part of a plan to restructure Harley-Davidson operations in York County was submitted to corporate officials during a recent conference call, a union representative said Tuesday.

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hell666

Hanover, PA

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bye york pa.. i hope H/D leaves like the baltimore colts left baltimore. i hope they get rid of the numbers pushers , quanity managers and get some who like quality. oh wait ..they have robots , and the quality standards were dropped lower to fit the robots. get rid of the union would be best thing to do along with some of the deadwood bums. how do i know all this ...i worked there.

Cant wait to move

Finksburg, MD

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Unions the down fall of our economy. The shame is that the Union would rather these people lose their jobs then take a reduction in pay or benefits. Go figure. Way to go.

tin lizzie

Clermont, FL

how would anyone be able to own a company and have the union giving them orders? how can anyone effectively operate a company under those conditions?

careaboutpa

Since: Jul 09

201

Winthrop Harbor, IL

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tin lizzie wrote:

how would anyone be able to own a company and have the union giving them orders? how can anyone effectively operate a company under those conditions?

Lizzie, you hit the nail on the head, it just cannot work that way, just ask Government Motors, I mean GM. Maybe Obama can put together another bailout for the motrocycle industry and prop up another company that has been taken to the cleaners by Unions he loves and bows to so much.

They could call it nickels for noise, buy a new H/D, get a bag of nickels from your freindly tax paying neighbors

former chief

Guyton, GA

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Like I said many times the unions have been killing many good companies in the area for years.Good production workers have been loosing their jobs and the union just doesn't care they just want the dues.Old timers in the York area just look around and see what you lost in the last 40 years.That tells the story. Harley is next. Happy Days Wayne

Knowing

York, PA

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former chief wrote:

Like I said many times the unions have been killing many good companies in the area for years.Good production workers have been loosing their jobs and the union just doesn't care they just want the dues.Old timers in the York area just look around and see what you lost in the last 40 years.That tells the story. Harley is next. Happy Days Wayne

Have you forgotten when Reagan helped Harley?

Todd

Indianapolis, IN

I think its just time for companies to take a loss for a change big bussiness loses a couple percent of projected profit and they lay off.I'm tired of price increases to make someone person milions lose some for a change corporations are the problem with the economy and they just need to take a small loss for a change

Todd

Indianapolis, IN

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and if you get rid of the unions the goverment can't regulate job conditions.Pay will drop as a result and this country would die off quick...

careaboutpa

Since: Jul 09

201

Winthrop Harbor, IL

Todd wrote:

and if you get rid of the unions the goverment can't regulate job conditions.Pay will drop as a result and this country would die off quick...

Todd, step away from the Kool-aid, Unions do not regulate job conditions any more. Those are governed by OSHA and state safety agencies, Unions just regualate competition and protect the lazy worker, as long as they pay their monthly dues.

Unions did have a time and place in this country, but wake up, we are in the single digit years but it is 2009 not 1909.

Can you imagine the quality improvements GM and Ford could make if they were allowed to pay their labor for their skill set rather than a mandated Union scale

Sonny

York, PA

careaboutpa wrote:

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Todd, step away from the Kool-aid, Unions do not regulate job conditions any more. Those are governed by OSHA and state safety agencies, Unions just regualate competition and protect the lazy worker, as long as they pay their monthly dues.
Unions did have a time and place in this country, but wake up, we are in the single digit years but it is 2009 not 1909.
Can you imagine the quality improvements GM and Ford could make if they were allowed to pay their labor for their skill set rather than a mandated Union scale

Unions are the only thing keeping us from reverting back 50+ years. And lest you forget there are fewer union workers at Ford & GM. Most of the bwork is done by robotics.

careaboutpa

Since: Jul 09

201

Hanover, PA

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Sonny wrote:

<quoted text>Unions are the only thing keeping us from reverting back 50+ years. And lest you forget there are fewer union workers at Ford & GM. Most of the bwork is done by robotics.

Lest you forget, both GM and Ford would have even more robotics and higher quality if the unions didn't control the plants.

Pablo

New Haven, CT

careaboutpa wrote:

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Lest you forget, both GM and Ford would have even more robotics and higher quality if the unions didn't control the plants.

Do you really think thats the case??

Remember the company wouldnt pay those wages if they couldnt afford it. Im not a union lover but it takes two to tango

careaboutpa

Since: Jul 09

201

Winthrop Harbor, IL

Pablo wrote:

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Do you really think thats the case??
Remember the company wouldnt pay those wages if they couldnt afford it. Im not a union lover but it takes two to tango

Pablo, last I saw GM was broke and accepting my tax money for a bail out,

I am guessing the billions they lost meant they couldn't afford to pay someone $37.00 plus bennies for tightning a lug nut.
As earlier stated, Unions had a time and a place in this country, then organized crime took over and made it LEGAL to hijack and blackmail businesses

localres

Rogersville, AL

careaboutpa wrote:

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Pablo, last I saw GM was broke and accepting my tax money for a bail out,
I am guessing the billions they lost meant they couldn't afford to pay someone $37.00 plus bennies for tightning a lug nut.
As earlier stated, Unions had a time and a place in this country, then organized crime took over and made it LEGAL to hijack and blackmail businesses

yes the union makes them pay someone $37.00 an hour which might be high for the area but look at all the ceo and vice-president and other positsions that they pay 6 figures and higherand all their bonuses. i work for a large corp. and they want the unions at their plants because it set the rules. you have a way to settle probelms. also it resricts power hunger supervisors. i'm sure you had a boss who would yell at you and belittle you then lie to his boss.

Sonny

York, PA

careaboutpa wrote:

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Lest you forget, both GM and Ford would have even more robotics and higher quality if the unions didn't control the plants.

You have got to be kidding. I was a union member my whole life and know if it weren't for it I would have had to have two jobs to make ends meet. Furthermore, every time we negotiated a contract, management always cried poverty but after everything was signed and sealed they managed to give the higher ups a bigger percentage than us. Can you explain that? For the record, I don't think unions are all clean but you'd better believe all workers are better off because of them.

smoke

Waldron, IN

Todd wrote:

and if you get rid of the unions the goverment can't regulate job conditions.Pay will drop as a result and this country would die off quick...

Hey.. Think about what you just spelled out... That's what they really want to do to America.. Third world country.... Control.... Time to VOTE them all out.. Now!!!!!

smoke

Waldron, IN

Sonny wrote:

<quoted text>You have got to be kidding. I was a union member my whole life and know if it weren't for it I would have had to have two jobs to make ends meet. Furthermore, every time we negotiated a contract, management always cried poverty but after everything was signed and sealed they managed to give the higher ups a bigger percentage than us. Can you explain that? For the record, I don't think unions are all clean but you'd better believe all workers are better off because of them.

Unions did make people a good living. But It got so big that The union leaders drove it in the ground.. Greed..... Now look where they have gotton themselves....

smoke

Waldron, IN

careaboutpa wrote:

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Todd, step away from the Kool-aid, Unions do not regulate job conditions any more. Those are governed by OSHA and state safety agencies, Unions just regualate competition and protect the lazy worker, as long as they pay their monthly dues.
Unions did have a time and place in this country, but wake up, we are in the single digit years but it is 2009 not 1909.
Can you imagine the quality improvements GM and Ford could make if they were allowed to pay their labor for their skill set rather than a mandated Union scale

I knew a guy that { worked} the union. Boy he could get away with murder.. And the S/L made sure he always got his job back.. when he should have been fired along time ago..{ not who you know but who you blow}

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