VY security training at rifle range increases

I dont think people should buy a house near a shooting range, and complain about the noise of the people shooting their guns. Thats just ignorant. I suggest moving.

I don't think people should put up a shooting range near houses, and then wonder why the neighbors complain. That's just stupid. I suggest moving the shooting range.

Practice makes perfect. Run a clip or two through for me!! If they didn't measure up at test time I'm sure the anti nukes would be screaming security problems.

The sad truth is that the people of Vermont are not happy unless they are complaining about something. If not the range they will complain about something else.

New Clear Waste wrote:

I don't think people should put up a shooting range near houses, and then wonder why the neighbors complain. That's just stupid. I suggest moving the shooting range.

Do you know this area? Do you know how long the shooting range has been there?

You make it sound like someone just opened a range in their backyard in downtown Brattleboro.

Elmer Fudd wrote:

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Do you know this area? Do you know how long the shooting range has been there?
You make it sound like someone just opened a range in their backyard in downtown Brattleboro.

Packers Corner area. Do you know how long those houses have been there? As long as VY has been training its watchmen at the range?

Linda Hecker does not miss an opportunity to call for shutting down VY, but will gladly accept contributions from them:

http://www.dvalnews.com/pages/bookmark/push...

Take a stand Linda -- REFUSE to take money from the EVIL nuclear plant!

New Clear Waste wrote:

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Packers Corner area. Do you know how long those houses have been there? As long as VY has been training its watchmen at the range?

Packers Corner is MILES from the range.

Bob,

Nice touch:
"Those weapons might include machine guns and short-barreled shotguns and rifles. "

They *might* also include tanks, aircraft carriers and tomahawk missiles.

Then again, they *might* not.

Wouldn’t you like to see the credential or skills of the security management...but you can’t because of our fear of terrorism. Maybe in a NRC inspection report. Remember prior to 9/11 the problem was nobody coukld see how the our protection services were running. It is only through the 9/11 commission that we seen what was wrong and we corrected it. It came through the miracle of transparency and a terrorist event created the opportunity of transparency.

I tell you what, I fear secrecy, non transparency and public barriers to the real events more than the terrorist...cause bureaucratic secrecy and hidden flaws are what lets the terrorist into our country to do damage to us. Transparency is the perpetual cleaning and self correcting mechanism.

By the way, I told the VY project manager the other day, a security shift manager in my closing days at VY (1993) came up to me, he whistleblower’d to me about the obsolesce of the security guardhouse, he complained about the maintenance and unreliability of the fence motion detectors, talked about how dysfunctional the guard force was, I memorized and sent it off to my lawyers. We had a special team of NRC special security experts investigating my concerns within the two weeks...the guards were giving me a play by play as the investigation was on going.

I told these guys last week over the years, and behind the scenes, through probably illegal contacts we had shaped the security stance of Vermont Yankee. I told them both in the summer of 2001 we were raising a heck with a set of concerns with the guards, with poor management and insufficient pay and benefits for the security force. I was complaining to the Vermont legislators and to the NRC...where this led to the failed force and force test by the NRC just weeks before 9/11...the worst NRC security force grade in the nation because the NRC knew the guards where talking to me. They knew I had a long history with interacting with the VY security force ...where once 9/11 came because of these vulnerabilities everyone worked real hard to upgrade the VY security force. Our actions in the summer of 2001 created the necessity of a massive reorganization of the security force and the material conditions around them at Vermont yankee.

Remember the implication was that the terrorist drove up and down I 91 before 9/11.

I bet you those two NRC officials are wetting their pants with this article because I spent so much time last week talking about my historic record with shaping the security stance of a nuclear power plant. We are probably the only plant in the nation where outsiders played such a important role.

The irony is, if somebody opens a lens where I can really see what is going on, I can change things the good main line executives and employees have been only dreaming about changing for a decades or more?

while vt. yankee may have room on site to build an indoor shooting range which might be suitable for low level "qualification" it would hardly match the higher level of training required by federal rules, much higher than required of the ordinary civilian "rent a cop", or even many police agencies. contrary to the impression gained from hollywood fantasy automatic weapons are not a "spray and pray" deal, they require careful use by trained operators, in training scenarios that follow real world situations, not merely "lock and load, stand and fire" on a standard range firing line. even in my former job as an armoured truck guard, before i retired we took truck out to a range and practised moving and shooting around them. considering the security needs of vt. yankee i would hope they are training in as realistic an environment as possible.

"They *might* also include tanks, aircraft carriers and tomahawk missiles"
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not likely, i don't think an aircraft carrier would make it very far up the river. a light armoured "scout" car like the old cadillac-gage vehicles might be a more likely possibility, or a converted commercial armoured truck.

gunner wrote:

while vt. yankee may have room on site to build an indoor shooting range which might be suitable for low level "qualification" it would hardly match the higher level of training required by federal rules, much higher than required of the ordinary civilian "rent a cop", or even many police agencies. contrary to the impression gained from hollywood fantasy automatic weapons are not a "spray and pray" deal, they require careful use by trained operators, in training scenarios that follow real world situations, not merely "lock and load, stand and fire" on a standard range firing line. even in my former job as an armoured truck guard, before i retired we took truck out to a range and practised moving and shooting around them. considering the security needs of vt. yankee i would hope they are training in as realistic an environment as possible.

VY ‘s framework is basically defensive...defend the plant....and wait until the USA special forces black helicopters come in and mop up the dead rats. They have the capability to be on the scene of the event very quickly now days and they got experience coming out of their ass.

Remember we are in a heighten state of alert because of the new terrorist cells just recently discovered in the USA.

gunner wrote:

"They *might* also include tanks, aircraft carriers and tomahawk missiles"
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not likely, i don't think an aircraft carrier would make it very far up the river. a light armoured "scout" car like the old cadillac-gage vehicles might be a more likely possibility, or a converted commercial armoured truck.

So, the aircraft carrier *might**not* be included.

...just like the sawed off shotgun's.

We *might* all get hit by a meteor tonight too. Then it wouldn't matter.

you talking about like wall street collaspe coming out of nowhere last...talk about getting hit by a meteor.

you talking about like wall street collaspe coming out of nowhere last year...talk about getting hit by a meteor.

elmer,
"sawed off shotguns" a.k.a. "riot guns" have been a part of police arms for many years, as well as being used by private security. no big deal, there even a few LEGAL registered full auto weapons around. though it may shock you a law abiding citizen, after passing a federal background check, filling out a mound of paperwork and paying a $200.00 "transfer tax" may purchase a full automatic weapon. whatever you may think this, or automatic weapons in the hands of police or a lawfully regulated private security agency, does not cost me any loss of sleep.

...and mike mulligan is correct, the v.y. security people are a defensive force, if the shi'ite hits the fan the blackhawk helicopters, with the heavy boys will be incoming fast and hard to back them up, and no worries about "aircraft carriers" coming up the river, last i knew there was a "warthog" squadron down in western massachusetts, just a couple of minutes flying time from here.