Concerns pool over salmon

Didn't our last VP (Dr. Death) have something with that fish kill ? Do I even know what I'm typing about here for have we forgotten ?(aka clean sweep ..

Proof that logging is not responsible for the killing of salmon. Were are all the enviros at, should be chaining themselves to dams.

cut er down wrote:

Proof that logging is not responsible for the killing of salmon. Were are all the enviros at, should be chaining themselves to dams.

what an uneducated thing to write...logging done irresponsibly leads to sedimentation which clogs redds destroying breeding grounds. The article is about flows being so low that fish cannot get to breeding grounds or are subject to high temperatures which can kill outright or lead to outbreaks of disease. Removing trees close to streams leads to higher stream temperatures. Your "proof" is wishful thinking sprinkled with bitterness.
The only way to have healthy fish is to have healthy rivers, which will require responsible logging and irrigation practices...and dam removals in some cases.

cut er down wrote:

Proof that logging is not responsible for the killing of salmon. Were are all the enviros at, should be chaining themselves to dams.

http://www.wildsalmoncenter.org/pdf/Oregonian...

"Stream studies

But biologists say experience has proved that logging affects fish. Studies tie clearcutting
of more than 25 percent of drainages to declines in diversity of young salmon in the streams below, said Gordon Reeves, a research fish biologist at the U.S. Forest Service’s Pacific Northwest Research Station, who works with the Wild Salmon Center.

The way that logging affects salmon streams is complex. For example, it may leave fewer logs and other woody debris to wash into the streams and provide refuge for young fish. Without wood to slow them down, landslides can dump more mud into rivers, choking salmon eggs, Reeves said. Also, the gravel that fish need to spawn may get
quickly flushed out.

Trees also slow rainfall runoff, so it doesn’t rush from the landscape as quickly, he said, moderating floodwaters that could otherwise sweep vulnerable young fish away. Floating down the Kilchis River toward Tillamook Bay in a drift boat, Reeves points out that upward of 80 percent of the stream networks important to salmon are not big rivers. Rather, they are much smaller rivulets, sometimes underground and out of sight,
Reeves said. Fish never swim in that water, but
it’s still essential because it keeps the bigger streams clean and cool, he said. If logging, road building or other development interrupts that system, fish may feel the effects."

Some farmers down south that paid high prices for water rights are having their water taken from them by the Governor.
Then there are those farther south whose water has been completely cut off.
With so many people and most in southern California, what do you expect.
too many damned people and most down south now are illegal immigrants yet I don't see any dried up lawns. They all need conservation of water.

People with Grandfather clauses to take water from the rivers should have timers on their water lines. Use less to do the same job.

Yes, logging many years ago are partly to blame as there were allot of slides etc. because of their roads and practices. More debris was pushed into the rivers too.
the rivers used to be more narrow and deep.
Then the dams..........let too much water go into the rivers all at once, when the dams are overflowing, causing land erosion on the sides , putting more land in the rivers during the winter months.

On the north fork of the Eel River .........my husband and I saw Fish and Game netting the salmon at the forks one season. Why?
Fish and Game are part of the cause of the rivers problems.
putting the Squaw fish in the Eel River years ago too, that eat the fish eggs.

Allot of people are to blame for the loss of Salmon.
And what about the jerks that killed tons of salmon one year because they weren't the right kind??????????
Then there are the Indians that take salmon for their ceremonies etc. but allot are taken out of state for sale. Some were caught taken to court but who decided their innocence, the Indians.

Did you know that years ago .......ships could go up the Eel River to Fortuna?
Farmers would fill the sloths and rivers edges with manure , rocks, cars .........whatever they could to give them more pasture.

We, the people, are to blame.
The rivers should be dredged where needed.

Once again outrageous amounts of water used to raise cow food trump the historic natural balance. I guess we must be waiting for the total extinction of salmon and a way of life before people recognize their selfishness. Pound for pound salmon beats out cow flesh on every possible metric. WE MUST WAKE UP FOLKS!!!

Willow Creek had a sewage treatment system designed like a large leechfield near the Trinity River.

The problem is those who designed the system never studied the ground deep enough. A very thick layer of hardpan is forcing the sewage out to the banks of the Trinity River.

Logging does far less damage to the rivers in comparison to all of the communities situated along the river including Garberville, Redway, Phillipsville/Miranda, Scotia, Rio Dell, Fortuna, Willow Creek, Hoopa, Orleans and on and on and on.

Dams do far less damage than the waste products constantly seeping into the area's rivers.

Salmon used to run up the rivers and tributaries throughout Southern California.

Unbridled logging, sprawl, and industrial agriculture,(greed, greed and greed), drove them to extinction, preceded by dozens of other native species.

It takes a boundless human arrogance to assume history isn't repeating itself here.

One person's freedom is another's tyranny, we're all paying the price.

Wilfred Sponge wrote:

Once again outrageous amounts of water used to raise cow food trump the historic natural balance. I guess we must be waiting for the total extinction of salmon and a way of life before people recognize their selfishness. Pound for pound salmon beats out cow flesh on every possible metric. WE MUST WAKE UP FOLKS!!!

Good post, that's what I was thinking. What if everyone just ate a little less...