Court may put brakes on beach driving

Tommy wrote:

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So where do you suggest all beachgoers park their cars when going to the beach? This is not just a driving on the beach issue, nor an issue where you can just wave a magic wand and everything will be ok. If property owners think people are trespassing now, just wait and see what happens when beachgoers are parking in their front yards, and cutting through their lawn to get to a PUBLIC area. As for the "giant hunks of metal and plastic that roll over people on occassion" comment, just wait and see all the deaths that occur from families crossing A1A to get to the beach.

Sounds like a reasonable way to reduce the surplus population of losers

And anyone who disagrees with you is a loser. I see. Well, I can't argue with that. Literally. On the other hand, it appears you have nothing to offer as to a solution. Except, maybe, a "final solution". Of course, you seem to be too obtuse to see the problem.

elaygee wrote:

Seems the beach drivers are frothing at the mouth again. Beach driving is a repulsive habit encourage by greed for the money it generates. No world class beach allows driving on it. Not one.
Kick the habit cold turkey. Stop dropping anti freeze and motor oil on the sands we lie down on. Stop taking up all the space on the beach with giant hunks of metal and plastic that roll over people on occassion.

And, since it seems you are asking for it, name five "world class" beaches.

What kind of inbred mutant rednecks advocate driving cars on the fucking beach? What a disgusting, dirty, lazy thing to do.

No real beach has a bunch of fat, lazy pork-sandwich-eating rednecks driving their cars on it.

We are considering investing in New Smyrna, but the cars on the beach is a definite negative. What good argument could there be for this practice?

Bob,

You sound like a grade A dumbass. Cars don't belong on the beach...period. The only type of person who would advocate such is a lazy redneck who wants to eat fried chicken in his van and throw his bones and trash on the beach. Keep your squalor at home in your trailer and let's keep the beach beautiful and safe for all users.

The beach driving advocates seem to have one theme "if it was good enough for grandpa, it's good enough for me". What fabulous, enlightened thinking (sarcasm for those who didn't recognize it).

Texas allows driving on their beaches, and their beaches suck. They are dirty and unsafe. If that is what you rednecks want, perhaps Texas is calling. They also allow oil drilling in the Texas Gulf. Can you say filthy tar and water pollution. I'll bet the beach driving advocates also want to drill off the coast and destroy the beaches permanently.

Tim, you have been on way too many political threads.

You don't know me and your comment is way out of line. Where were you on September 15th last year? I was helping clean up the beach with the Ocean Conservancy.

Who's the grade A dumbass?

As I said in earlier posts: Solve the parking and access problems and I have no problem with eliminating beach driving.

But you didn't read that, did you? You just want to jump in and make harsh comments. KMA idiot. Get your head out of yours and read before berating someone else.

'nuff said.

Oh, and watch your language. It might be nice to post anonymously and spew filth, but to call people rednecks in the same post?

Your credibility is very low, even by redneck standards.

Amazingly, it is not the oceanfront homeowners that are opposed to driving on the beach. I know quite a few of them, we have discussed it before and they do not have a problem with cars on the beach. Some of them are quite upset that it may stop.

For those of you that call driving on the beach your right to drive on a federal highway. Think again. Volusia County pays a fee to the US Fish and Wildlife Services that gives you the right to drive on the beach.

The Fish and Wildlife Services are questioning whether driving on the beach is harmful to animals like the infamous turtles, migratory birds, and other wildlife.

Info I found.....
The latest obstacle involves the county's application to renew a federal permit that would allow beach driving for another 25 years. Officials at the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service are gauging whether driving on the beach is harmful to migratory birds and has not yet notified the county on its application, said Stephen Kintner, director of Volusia's environmental management division.

More Info.......
Beach driving also creates more work for county employees, who must spend time each evening during turtle nesting season smoothing out tire ruts that could impede a turtle hatchling's route to the ocean. Though turtles are part of the environmental concerns borne from beach driving, other factors, such as whether the activity harms other creatures that live in the sand, or whether the fumes and drippings from vehicles are harmful are not as clear, Storch and Kintner said.

Please dont put blame on innocent people based on their income. Its not fair, and not true.

Whats this town coming to ? i have lived here all mylife and its going to Sh&*. im turning 30 i dont make shi* and i have to drive to Port orange just to make a living.the jobs are far and few apart 10.00$ an hour is good money!? it crap!! you cant live on pennys come on stop worrie about the beach! and worrie about the Locals were down and out no jobs and there is no groth in this town. yea knock down the putt putt golf for a dam fire station. i like you Clambob your a good guy i like that your standing up for this town but its falling apatr just like the world. well thanks Bob if you ever read this im here in the town of NSB wishing for something better your friend (OG PAYNE)NSB Local

ClamBob wrote:

And anyone who disagrees with you is a loser. I see. Well, I can't argue with that. Literally. On the other hand, it appears you have nothing to offer as to a solution. Except, maybe, a "final solution". Of course, you seem to be too obtuse to see the problem.

Whats this town coming to ? i have lived here all mylife and its going to Sh&*. im turning 30 i dont make shi* and i have to drive to Port orange just to make a living.the jobs are far and few apart 10.00$ an hour is good money!? it crap!! you cant live on pennys come on stop worrie about the beach! and worrie about the Locals were down and out no jobs and there is no groth in this town. yea knock down the putt putt golf for a dam fire station. i like you Clambob your a good guy i like that your standing up for this town but its falling apatr just like the world. well thanks Bob if you ever read this im here in the town of NSB wishing for something better your friend (OG PAYNE)NSB Local

I'm all for closing the beaches to cars. Just make sure to add off beach parking at evenly spaced intervals. Start with the Ormond Beach area first, right where they closed it to beach driving 12 years ago, and never put in any off beach parking. Funny! how that section from Granada ave north to the mall is where the wealthiest people in Volusia live. Without the replacement off beach parking they have semiprivitized that section of a public beach.

Totally ok to not drive on beach, but there will not be enough parking within walking distance for disabled or elderly or small kids. This will set up a "class" dispute - the rich that don't want us on their beach get their wish, and we still have to pay for repair for their beach erosion with our insurance and taxes - you tell me, is this fair?

If the US Fish and Wildlife doesn't give Volusia County the permit to drive on the beach, is everyone still going to blame it on the beachfront homeowners?

I still havent met a homeowner who disapproves of beach driving. They knew they were buying property where driving was allowed and those that did not want beach driving bought elsewhere, like Bethune.

Personally, I would love to see some of the traffic on State Rd 44 disappear on holiday weekends. I dont live beachside, but I am all for a non driving beach. This society has become so lazy its incredible.

It is the enviornmental communists who keep eroding our freedoms. They have already taken 50% of the beach in the name of turtles ... and now they want it all.
The enviornmental communiasts are mainly responsible for the high cost of gasoline that has crippled our economy, and crippled our personal budgets, as they refuse to allow us to drill for oil ... in the name of the "enviornment".
When are you people going to wake up to their real marxist agenda, of stripping private property and rights for the sake of the "enviornment" ... the collective ..... the STATE?
Time is running out ...

Glasnos wrote:

When are you people going to wake up to their real marxist agenda, of stripping private property and rights for the sake of the "enviornment" ... the collective ..... the STATE?
Time is running out ...

I agree with your statement, in part.... I also believe that if it wasn't for the environmentalist sometimes we would be headed toward a concrete jungle. I love nature, love to watch nature, and I realize that our filthy habits, our greed for development, and need for tearing up the terrain put the beauty of nature at risk.

Think it cant happen? Look at central Florida now compared to ten years ago. Where will we be in another 10-20-30 years

It's been a long term, hot issue over condo owners and beach rentals in St Johns County, St Augustine, Florida also. The problem is that the condo and other's living on the beach want exclusive Rights to the beach usage and they don't want the public on what they consider "their" beach front property. In some beach location, without transportation, and no access roads, the public wouldn't be able to use the beach front.

The real Estate industry is in love with the idea of denying the public.

Wouldn't that be nice? Then the whole beachside could be a gated community.

ClamBob wrote:

Wouldn't that be nice? Then the whole beachside could be a gated community.

Amazingly, I have seen nothing publicly written lately that states its the beachfront property owners who do not want a no driving beach, except those that are already on the no driving beach. I actually have a few beachfront customers that are upset that they may not be allowed to drive on the beach. They say that is why they bought where they did.

I have seen documented that Volusia County may be denied the permit that allows everyone to drive on the beach, which has nothing to do with the mindset of the property owners regardless of where they own property.

WhoSaidThat wrote:

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Amazingly, I have seen nothing publicly written lately that states its the beachfront property owners who do not want a no driving beach, except those that are already on the no driving beach. I actually have a few beachfront customers that are upset that they may not be allowed to drive on the beach. They say that is why they bought where they did.
I have seen documented that Volusia County may be denied the permit that allows everyone to drive on the beach, which has nothing to do with the mindset of the property owners regardless of where they own property.

There are those who want private beaches. It was the Ocean Walk hotel behind the closing the beach around the main street pier, using the turtle habitat as a ruse. The sheraton hotel chain wanted to bild south of the present no drive zone, but only if the no drive zone was extended south so they too could have a private beach.
The main advocate in NSB Beth Libert has beach front property and would love nothing more than ban vehicles ... and ban the public if she could so it would be just her and the turtles.
I found it rather telling and hypocritical when Palm Harbor banned all vehicles ... including the turtle patrol's quads. The turtle patrol squealed that the turtles couldn't survive without them... The turtles NEEDED people, and they couldn't do their "job" without gas powered vehicles on the beach.