ATV rider shot and killed by landowner?

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Green

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Jul 31, 2006
 

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Can anyone verify this happened in Queen creek this weekend?

From another forum:
"My cousin, Daniel, and his wife were four wheeling somewhere near Queen Creek, AZ on Saturday when the trail crossed someone's private land. A man drove out towards them so they stopped. The man then got out of his vehicle with a rifle in his hands, walked up to my cousin, and shot him off his four wheeler at point blank range. I mean this man literally walked up, laid the barrel on the four-wheeler handlebars, and shot him, then turned to my cousin's wife and said, "There. I shot him and he's dead." His wife tried to resuscitate him, but the wound was too severe for her to save him.

The shooter is now in custody and I don't know when the funeral services are because an autopsy is being performed as part of the investigation.

Daniel was only 23. He leaves behind a young wife and a 9 month old daughter. Any prayers on their behalf are appreciated.

I've been trying to find anything about this on the news, but so far I haven't found anything yet. The few details I have came from what my mom was able to find out and tell me last night."
QCRiles

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Jul 31, 2006
 
I heard about this yesterday at church. I contacted CBS 5 news Phx and they were going to contact the Pinal Sherrifs dept to get info on it. If I hear any news regarding funeral or see anything online I will post it for you here.
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Jul 31, 2006
 
Rob Walter wrote:
I am a good Friend of Daniel, I know him through Jake which is Tammy's Brother. I can let you know when the funeral is when I find out. This is deffinatly a Tragedy and a hard loss.
I've been searching and can not find anything. that seems very strange.
Green

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ttp://www.zwire.com/site/news. cfm?newsid=16989528&BRD=18 17&PAG=461&dept_id=685 61&rfi=8

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FLORENCE - A Queen Creek man, riding ATVs with his wife and a friend, died Saturday night after he allegedly was shot by a gravel pit security guard.
Daniel Ashcroft, described as being about 24, was dead from a 16-gauge shotgun wound to the chest when authorities arrived. The shooting occurred about 7:15 p.m. at the Walker Butte Mine off Hunt Highway.
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The security guard - William Lee, 72, of Mesa - reportedly told police the shooting was accidental. He was arrested on a charge of manslaughter, although the charge may be upgraded, Florence police Detective Walt Hunter said.

Hunter said Ashcroft, his wife Tamara and a female friend were riding ATVs when Ashcroft's vehicle stalled. The two women had ridden ahead and did not hear the shot. One of the women happened to circle back in time to see Ashcroft grab his chest and fall to the ground. Tamara and a brother gave Daniel CPR before emergency responders arrived.

The mine is private property but the women said the group never saw a no-trespassing sign. They apparently did not cross a fence to reach the area.

"There are several ways to get in," Hunter said.

The guard reportedly dropped the shotgun and opened the gates so emergency responders could enter the property.
Kevin

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I am the grandson of the man who you are making out to be some MONSTER! He is not a MONSTER and that is not the way things went down at ALL! This was an accidental shooting! And my papa would never say those horrible words to any person. You are being very ignorant torwards this unforunate thing that has happened! He to has family....kids...and grandkids too! We are sorry this has happened, buy untill or unless you know THE WHOLE STORY you shouldnt be posting UNTRUE things!
Kevin

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Youre story doesnt even match up with what his OWN wife said. She said that her and her friend had riden ahead when youre cousin's atv stalled and that by the time they got back to him he had already been shot. So NO ONE really knows what happen between the 2, but my papa and him. Like I said before my papa is not a monster nor a violent man. He is an extremely old man and was probably scared or something. He has NEVER hurt ANYONE, so there is some explaination as to why this happen. Our family is sorry about youre loss.
Kevin

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I understand what it is like to loose a loved one I have four kids so i understand!! please know that my grandfather is the nicest person and it had to be an accicent, i appologize on my grandfather's behalf, however know that there are always two sides to every single story!!! no matter what!!
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i know who waqs shot and i know who was with him he had no rite to point a loaded gun at him he was less then 3 feet away when he killed a unaramed man for no reason or was the shotter just dumb for haveing his finger on the trigger of a loded gun bucuse guns just dont go off unless you make them
Kevin

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WELL MY GRAND PA WAS SCARED OF BEING ROBBED, IF YOU DIND'T KNOW THERE IS A SERIAL KILLER LOOSE OR ARE YOU NOT PAYING ATTENTION? AND GUNS DO GO OFF BY ACCIDENT IF THEY ARE DURTY I WAS A WEAPONNS SPECIALIST FOR THE US ARMY I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!
Kevin

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Aug 1, 2006
 
AND WHO ARE YOU AND HOW ARE YOU RELATED? ARE YOU A NOSEY BEING OR DO YOU HAVE FACTS?
jeremy

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Well your grandpa should of have a different job if he is scared. Because the serial killer is a 24 year old white male with 2 females with him rides around on a quad in the middle of the desert....40 miles from baseline ass....The only time a gun goes off is when you make it go bang, keep your finger off of the trigger and it doesn't go bang. and being a "weapons specialist" in the army you should know. it is not important how i am related lets just say i know...everyone one involved in this except for the killer.
Kevin

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Aug 1, 2006
 
WELL THE 2 WOMWEN WASN'T THERE I HAVE A COPY OF THE REPORT MORRON AND I DO KNOW ABOUT MECHANICAL MALFUNCTIONS ASS... SO WHO ARE YOU AND WHY ARE YOU NOT SEEING BOTH SIDES, OR ARE YOU A ONE-SIDED PERSON, WHO HAS LITTLE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT RIFLES?
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AND ALL OLD MEN WHO ARE ROBBED BY OUR GOVERNMENT CANT RELY UPON SOCIAL SECURITY!!!
jeremy

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Aug 1, 2006
 
As a fire arms instructor, i do know about guns...enough side. I used to work in law enforcemnt, former military. I am not a one sided person i can look at both sides and I know from a law enforcement side he didn't have a right to point that shot gun at him. I do feel bad for your family having to go through this with your grandpa. BUT a 8 month baby has lost his father. and a young woman lost her husband...you can't put blame on a gun...
Dawn

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Aug 2, 2006
 
No one is putting blame on a gun. This is very tragic for both of the parties involved. All we are trying to say is that you shouldnt slander someone who you do not know and you do not know exactly what went on that night. Like we said before the only people who do know what EXACTLY happened is the only 2 people who were there....my papa and the other man. We too are very sorry and feel for youre family's loss. But just because a tragic thing happened does not mean that it wasnt an accident. But accidents do happen and as former law ennforcement you of all people should know that they happen a LOT when it comes to guns! Are you saying that if 2 kids,teenagers,adults,whoever it may be... are messing around with a gun or using one (hunting,safety,ect...) and it goes off ACCIDENTLY (WHICH DOES HAPPEN) and one of those people is dead that the other ment to do it?.....NO I dont think so. Why because guns do go off and accidents DO happen. All we are trying to say is that we KNOW are papa did NOT mean to shot that man and kill him. He is not a bad person....nor would he treat another persons life with that much disrespect/disregrad (as the prior gentleman had made it out to be). We are also not saying that he shoulnt pay for this mistake/accident, but this whole thing that it was murder and he literally walked up to him and just shot him with total disregard is such BS! End of story and that's are point. Just because you are hurting (which is TOTALLY understandable!) you shouldnt then turn on the other parties involved without knowing ALL the facts and what kind of person they are. Do we not know what the Bible is or GOD?
Shane

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Here is what we do know. An unarmed man on a stalled fourwheeler was shot at point blank range by a security guard. This is all in accordance with what has been reported here: http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm...
Since the four wheeler was stalled, there is only one way this could have possibly happened:
1) The security guard approached the man on the four wheeler.
2) The security guard aimed the shotgun at the man on the four wheeler.
3) The security guard pulled the trigger, intentionally or not.
I don't care what the poor excuses are, firearms are inanimate objects and at best this was "negligent" manslaughter since the guard would have had to aim it and pull the trigger for it to go off and hit Daniel. Any armed security guard knows this and has no excuse.
If the security guard was afraid, he should have kept his distance. That he approached Daniel indicates aggressive behavior. I don't buy this, "he was scared," excuse at all.
Yes, I'm torqued at Daniel's death. Yes, there are two sides to the story. Yes, the original post included information that was second hand. still, there is enough similarity to the news article I cited that the security guard is still guilty of at minimum negligent homicide, and possibly 2nd degree murder. There is no "accident" in pointing a loaded firearm at someone with your finger on the trigger.
Outsider

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Aug 2, 2006
 
Daniel should not have been riding in place that was clearly not public land and he clearly didn't own. PaPa should not have pointed a loaded weapon at someone who was not presenting a threat and an immediate risk of gave bodily harm. PaPa broke two huge rules of gun handling. Do not point the weapon at something you are not willing to destroy. Keep you finger off the trigger until your ready to fire. By breaking those rules a man was killed.

Accident or not, manslaughter happened here and it didn't need to. It's a terrible situation and both parties share some responcibility for it. However PaPa killed a man through negligence with a firearm and I'm afriad that is going to put him in deep hot water... as well it should.
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Aug 2, 2006
 
Kevin wrote:
WELL THE 2 WOMWEN WASN'T THERE I HAVE A COPY OF THE REPORT <snip>
They weren't there? Then why was it the wife giving CPR until emergency services arrived and not the security guard? Your comments aren't adding up. How did the wife see Daniel clutch his chest and collapse if she wasn't there? She may not have been there at the moment the trigger was pulled, but she was there right after.
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Aug 2, 2006
 
Outsider wrote:
Daniel should not have been riding in place that was clearly not public land and he clearly didn't own.
According to the wife, they didn't know they were trespassing and hadn't seen any signs and didn't cross any fence to enter the property. The investigating police officer also indicated that there were multiple entry points onto the land.

Besides, even if they were knowingly trespassing, it wouldn't have justified pointing a firearm at them since they weren't presenting a threat to anyone. If Daniel had somehow threatened the security guard the guard would have claimed self defense, which he obviously didn't.
Outsider

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Aug 2, 2006
 
I didn't say they should have been killed, but lets be real. People always say they didn't see the sign. This was a mine and was gated because the abulance needed to be let in and there was apparently structures where a guard was housed. He knew this wasn't his at least.

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