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Wrenches
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Why is gay rights oK, but Christian beliefs are not? I don't mind giving anyone equal rights if they will not stomp on mine. In this case, asking for "equal rights" is akin to asking for exceptional privilege since the nascent definition of marriage has been between opposite genders. If you want it otherwise, then show the justification. I personally believe in God and in order to honor Him, I endeavor to OBEY Him and while we can "love and care for one another", condoning actions that are absolutely forbidden by God and FORCING me to disobey Him is dishonorable, too. Logically I do not see how you can obey God by disobeying Him. If you don't believe in God, then...don't demand that I do likewise.
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ProCCW wrote: <quoted text>You mean how they Look! Isn't that superficial? also how they are perceived as acting. you know, very few lesbians sport a mustache, and i seriously doubt that you'll find many gay men who walk with a wiggle, or talk with a limp wrist. of course there may be some who are more effeminate than others, but relatively few. not only that, but a woman with a mustache and a man with a broken wrist and a lisp still wouldn't want to marry... the parts don't match. what you seem to be missing is that homosexuality isn't about what one does or how one looks... but what one is on the inside.
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Wrenches wrote: Why is gay rights oK, but Christian beliefs are not? I don't mind giving anyone equal rights if they will not stomp on mine. In this case, asking for "equal rights" is akin to asking for exceptional privilege since the nascent definition of marriage has been between opposite genders. If you want it otherwise, then show the justification.
I personally believe in God and in order to honor Him, I endeavor to OBEY Him and while we can "love and care for one another", condoning actions that are absolutely forbidden by God and FORCING me to disobey Him is dishonorable, too. Logically I do not see how you can obey God by disobeying Him. If you don't believe in God, then...don't demand that I do likewise. you haven't been paying very close attention here, have you. i'm a christian pastor and have been for many years and never once have i ever been lead to believe that anybody wants to deprive me or 'stomp on' my rights to be such. not once. not only that, but in all of my studies of the bible, and of the torah i have never seen anything that would lead me to believe that god ever forbade same sex relations... in fact, if you read your bible through you'll note that in several cases the creator even pushed people into homosexual unions. you say that you believe in and obey god... well, that's great. i highly commend you for it. what i can't condone, however, is when one uses the bible as a weapon of hatred by misunderstanding it, misinterpreting it, and mistranslating it to mean what they think that it should. if you show me one place in the bible that you believe shows that god forbids homosexuality i'll be happy to attempt to teach you otherwise. ready? let's go!
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cjk wrote: <quoted text>
You can't be that stupid can you?
I guess you can when your own numbers conflict with themselves!
If 3/4 or 75% of victims were girls how is it that your next figures then say that only 60% are girls?(2/12 boys and 3/12 girls which means 3/5 victims or 60% are girls)
Regardless, even if your figures are correct, you're still admitting that homos are responsible for between 25 and 40 percent of all pedophilia! That's quite a feat for about 2 or 3 percent of the populace. does it hurt?
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Wrenches wrote: Why is gay rights oK, but Christian beliefs are not? I don't mind giving anyone equal rights if they will not stomp on mine. In this case, asking for "equal rights" is akin to asking for exceptional privilege since the nascent definition of marriage has been between opposite genders. If you want it otherwise, then show the justification.
I personally believe in God and in order to honor Him, I endeavor to OBEY Him and while we can "love and care for one another", condoning actions that are absolutely forbidden by God and FORCING me to disobey Him is dishonorable, too. Logically I do not see how you can obey God by disobeying Him. If you don't believe in God, then...don't demand that I do likewise. No one is forcing you to change your religious beliefs or to marry as person of the same sex, David. You can believe what you want, while other religious people understand gay people have been getting married throughout history in churches that don't believe in harming gay people. Many Christians understand the bible does not condemn gay people but rather abusive relationships including pagan ritual sex. While you are free to believe whatever you want, the objection comes when you try to impose your beliefs on everyone else using the force of law. Try treating others the way you want to be treated.
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nfgc wrote: <quoted text>
You have still yet to answer any question with an intelligent response. You keep avoiding the very subject you are presenting when someone replies to you. Bashing the people on here will get you no where. It's ok to disagree, you have that right. But at least be intelligent about why you fele that way and the only way to be more wise in your decision making is to be tolerant of others and with an open mind try to understand their point of view as well. You do not follow your own adivice of 'simplistic form of morality'. It's quite ironic.
Many straight couples participate in anal sex, allowing gay marriage will not stop this act. Maybe you should petition the porn indistry if this is your true concern. In fact, if you were intelligent in your research of this subject you would know that there are many gay couples that do not partiicpate in anal sex..this is a stereotype. Just because someone is gay does not mean this is how they have to be itimate. Besides, the intimacy of another couple is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. What they do in their own intimacy practice should never be your business. I'd be damned if my private intimate life was any of your business.
It's obvious that you have a great personal bias against gays and this is the reason you oppose it. You have not made an intelligent decision nor have the research to back it up. If you did, it would be easier to accept. As I said, it's okay to disagree, but not ok to discriminate.
Keep repeating your 'gay twirl' remarks all you want. Nothing you have said is substantial or merits any credit. Your comprehension deficit blinds you. My response bashed no one. Where did I distinguish between orientations regarding anal sex? Because straights practice anal abuse that makes it okay for gays? The question was whether the God condemned homosexuality. I used a simple morality that more than answered the question. Because that morality condemns you, now you want me to not answer the question. Nor did I use the term 'gay twirl'. You however did another gay twirl in responding.
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Wrenches wrote: Why is gay rights oK, but Christian beliefs are not? I don't mind giving anyone equal rights if they will not stomp on mine. In this case, asking for "equal rights" is akin to asking for exceptional privilege since the nascent definition of marriage has been between opposite genders. If you want it otherwise, then show the justification.
I personally believe in God and in order to honor Him, I endeavor to OBEY Him and while we can "love and care for one another", condoning actions that are absolutely forbidden by God and FORCING me to disobey Him is dishonorable, too. Logically I do not see how you can obey God by disobeying Him. If you don't believe in God, then...don't demand that I do likewise. So don't get gay married - glad to help.
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Pat Quinn
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Come to Illinois we have a FAAAAABBULOOUUUUUS time here! We are here and we are queer get over it!
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dances with weebles wrote: <quoted text>
you haven't been paying very close attention here, have you.
i'm a christian pastor and have been for many years and never once have i ever been lead to believe that anybody wants to deprive me or 'stomp on' my rights to be such. not once. not only that, but in all of my studies of the bible, and of the torah i have never seen anything that would lead me to believe that god ever forbade same sex relations... in fact, if you read your bible through you'll note that in several cases the creator even pushed people into homosexual unions.
you say that you believe in and obey god... well, that's great. i highly commend you for it. what i can't condone, however, is when one uses the bible as a weapon of hatred by misunderstanding it, misinterpreting it, and mistranslating it to mean what they think that it should.
if you show me one place in the bible that you believe shows that god forbids homosexuality i'll be happy to attempt to teach you otherwise.
ready? let's go! You are full of crap If you were a "pastor" you would know that it is spelled God with a capital G. If you are a pastor, you should be ashamed of yourself preaching the word of Satan. False prophet!
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someone is telling lies
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KiMare wrote: <quoted text>
The question was whether the God condemned homosexuality. I used a simple morality that more than answered the question. You still fail to recognize that your answer is irrelevant to those of us who don't share your limited Biblical perspective. Look again at the name of the thread and you'll see that your opinions have no relevance. The Illinois legislature didn't call you to ask for your opinion, did they? See, you have no power here; you only have an opinion.
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Wrenches
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dances with weebles wrote: <quoted text>
you haven't been paying very close attention here, have you.
i'm a christian pastor and have been for many years and never once have i ever been lead to believe that anybody wants to deprive me or 'stomp on' my rights to be such. not once. not only that, but in all of my studies of the bible, and of the torah i have never seen anything that would lead me to believe that god ever forbade same sex relations... in fact, if you read your bible through you'll note that in several cases the creator even pushed people into homosexual unions.
you say that you believe in and obey god... well, that's great. i highly commend you for it. what i can't condone, however, is when one uses the bible as a weapon of hatred by misunderstanding it, misinterpreting it, and mistranslating it to mean what they think that it should.
if you show me one place in the bible that you believe shows that god forbids homosexuality i'll be happy to attempt to teach you otherwise.
ready? let's go! Your ad hominem attacks are indicative of little confidence. Here's just a two verses that you can digest: 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10. I doubt that you are an accredited pastor of any Christian church.
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KiMare wrote: <quoted text>
Your comprehension deficit blinds you.
My response bashed no one.
Where did I distinguish between orientations regarding anal sex?
Because straights practice anal abuse that makes it okay for gays?
The question was whether the God condemned homosexuality. I used a simple morality that more than answered the question.
Because that morality condemns you, now you want me to not answer the question.
Nor did I use the term 'gay twirl'. You however did another gay twirl in responding. i realise that it's an extremely difficult notion for you to grasp, but there is no 'simple morality' there is no group morality, and there is no morality taught by the bible... you see, morality can't be taught or learned. it has to come from within and is as individual as are finger prints. that's the truth of it. attempting to impose your moral values on anyone else... even your own children is nothing short of abuse. it is one of the most hateful things that you could possibly do. it would be right up on the list with insisting that your children worship in the same religion as you, or even follow the same god as you, or any god at all. it can't be done and to attempt it is abusive. next, what makes you think that anal sex is 'abusive'? it cold only be so if it were forced on someone. not only that, but there is absolutely nothing written anywhere (other than a few misinterpretations, and mistranslations) where it says that 'god condemned homosexuality' you've been listening to the wrong bullshit again. now, i'm quite sure that you're going to make some sort of ignorant response simply because if anybody is a twirler it's got to be you. are you a majorette?
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Wrenches wrote: <quoted text> Your ad hominem attacks are indicative of little confidence. Here's just a two verses that you can digest: 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10. I doubt that you are an accredited pastor of any Christian church. well, both of those passages have nothing to do with homosexuality... and the man who wrote them was quite gay. not only that, but he was a heretic and an apostate. any other questions? if so, then it may pay you to pick up a few good history books at your local library, or enroll in a good bible study course at a non-denominational university.(you do realise, don't you that timothy, up until saul's death, was his main catamite. after the death of saul, god caused him to fall in love with the gay ethiopian king of the time... just as daniel did a generation before. and if you were to actually read what i said, i believe that i never attacked anyone at all.
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someone is telling lies wrote: <quoted text>
You still fail to recognize that your answer is irrelevant to those of us who don't share your limited Biblical perspective. Look again at the name of the thread and you'll see that your opinions have no relevance. The Illinois legislature didn't call you to ask for your opinion, did they?
See, you have no power here; you only have an opinion. You would like to think so, wouldn't you? The fact is that God cares little what your government entity does. God is supreme and you'd be wise to fear Him rather than any secular government. He's been around a lot longer and will someday judge all of us, you too. Let me ask you this: If you are right, what are the consequences? If I'm right, what will be the consequences? I think you see the consequences are far more serious than you even first thought. If you deny that God exists, then would have to be the infinitely great entity in order to definitively know that, because you'd have to be to deny that He exists. The bottom line is logical and simple: If God exists, He wants us to obey Him or otherwise we are rejecting Him. Your choice, but think about it carefully before you turn your back on Him. The consequences are far more serious than some legislatures' ruling.
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Liar wrote: <quoted text> You are full of crap If you were a "pastor" you would know that it is spelled God with a capital G. If you are a pastor, you should be ashamed of yourself preaching the word of Satan. False prophet! If you want to find out some pertinent information start reading from pages 1462. I don't waste my time anymore. Same old crap just another day, you can't change their minds, but will make you lose yours! Weebles is in a church of many demnominations and religions. He is a methodist minister. Satinists and voodoo also are in his church with many others. He doesn't even live in the US. Research and you will be amazed. I told you all I would not be on to argue with you, but I would be watching. As for me and my house we will serve the Lord, and for other fellow Christians, a friendly clue to help you know the truth, and what you are up against. God Bless.
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Wrenches wrote: <quoted text>You would like to think so, wouldn't you? The fact is that God cares little what your government entity does. God is supreme and you'd be wise to fear Him rather than any secular government. He's been around a lot longer and will someday judge all of us, you too.
Let me ask you this: If you are right, what are the consequences? If I'm right, what will be the consequences? I think you see the consequences are far more serious than you even first thought. If you deny that God exists, then would have to be the infinitely great entity in order to definitively know that, because you'd have to be to deny that He exists. The bottom line is logical and simple: If God exists, He wants us to obey Him or otherwise we are rejecting Him. Your choice, but think about it carefully before you turn your back on Him. The consequences are far more serious than some legislatures' ruling. Please show me where I ever denied God exists. Be careful that you don't fall off your pretty pedestal.
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Truth Police wrote: Uh, CJK, there are numerous animals that practice homosexuality. Guess you don't get Animal Planet out on your farm.
And since you dropped out prior to 4th grade science, humans are animals.
<quoted text> Um moron there are ABSOLUTELY ZERO animals who practice fecal sex, PERIOD!
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cjk
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Truth Police wrote: You throw out a lot of "facts" with no proof. If that is how the game is played, "I am God...FACT" Now give me 10% of your money every Sunday.
The only thing "everyone knows" is that your IQ is about 4 points different than a rock.
<quoted text> Coming from the guy who can't distinguish animals engaging in social hierarchy from fecal sex!
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Marengo Jon wrote: <quoted text>
CJK and Kimare (D.B.A. the great genetic mutation) won't be swayed by fact. They'll make posits all day long, without the need to back them up. Ironically, if others do the same, they demand data. Here's an indisputable FACT for you fecal freak: Using the human waste storage organ for sex is perverted. Those who say it ain't perverted are irrational fools.
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nfgc wrote: <quoted text>
Brilliant! This is exactly what these haters need. Preaching about hate and perversion, all the while lacking any intelligence to the matter. If you disagree with gay mariiage this is your righ. However, in order o make a wise decision you ave to be tolerant of the many other views around you or else you have based your decision on mothing that can be merited. It's amazing to me how many ignorant people there are today.
Thank you for providing this information as the facts of this research cannot be tuened. Face the acts haters, you lose! You're as dumb as the idiot you replied to, the statistics given contradict one another! LOL! BRILLIANT!!!!
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