Union votes in favor of furlough

Full story: Santa Cruz Sentinel

Members of the county's largest labor union agreed overwhelming this week to take unpaid time off over the next 12 months, beginning July 1, a concession to the county's weak fiscal health.

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Jun 18, 2009
 
Name (last, first) BERTHEAU, CRYSTAL
Job title PROGRAM COORDINATOR
Regular pay $62,193.6
Overtime pay 9,252.77
Total pay $71,446.37
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Santa Cruz, CA

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Jun 18, 2009
 
take another puff wrote:
Name (last, first) BERTHEAU, CRYSTAL
Job title PROGRAM COORDINATOR
Regular pay $62,193.6
Overtime pay 9,252.77
Total pay $71,446.37
That is to say everyone who works for the county gets at least that much? I don't follow.
Still too much

Pleasanton, CA

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#3
Jun 18, 2009
 
5% of way too much salary is still too much salary. I'd call this nothing but a good start.
kin

Santa Cruz, CA

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#4
Jun 18, 2009
 
Way to go, giving away your seniority rights, now you won't even need a union.
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Hayward, CA

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Jun 18, 2009
 
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/santa-cruz-...
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That is to say everyone who works for the county gets at least that much? I don't follow.
Realist

Marina, CA

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#6
Jun 18, 2009
 
This is just a short-term appeasement of the problem. What really needs to happen is a permanent 20% cut in pay and a 25% cut in the number of state, county and city employees. Next we need to cut all pensions current and future by 20% except for peace officers who's pensions need to be cut by 33% back to the pre-1999 level when Gray Davis gave them a 50% increase. What also needs to happen is that the income tax rates need to be rebased so that all people in this state pay taxes and not just the upper 10% of wage earners. This way, everyone will experience the pain of out of control government spending and we will no longer have a bunch of liberal whack jobs screaming for more taxes and the repeal of prop 13. TO THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATORS IN CA: HOLD FIRM!!
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Santa Cruz, CA

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Jun 18, 2009
 
take another puff wrote:
Name (last, first) BERTHEAU, CRYSTAL
Job title PROGRAM COORDINATOR
Regular pay $62,193.6
Overtime pay 9,252.77
Total pay $71,446.37
And besides, there are always those who are so upset about county or any government employees. Private sector people are always complaining about their taxes going to government. UNTIL ONE DAY YOU YOURSELF FIND THAT you need some government service yourself!! GASP!! Yep you too someday may have to call on Emeline Ave. for some help. Oh no! What a nightmare.
Zippy

Santa Cruz, CA

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Jun 18, 2009
 
What also needs to happen is that the property tax rates need to be rebased so that all people in this state pay taxes and not just the lower 25% of property owners. This way, everyone will experience the pain of government spending and we will no longer have a bunch of out of touch conservative whack jobs screaming that it's all the American Worker's fault. Then we start taxing property owned by religious organizations not being used as an actual church.
The Scream

Santa Cruz, CA

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Jun 18, 2009
 
Zippy wrote:
What also needs to happen is that the property tax rates need to be rebased so that all people in this state pay taxes and not just the lower 25% of property owners. This way, everyone will experience the pain of government spending and we will no longer have a bunch of out of touch conservative whack jobs screaming that it's all the American Worker's fault. Then we start taxing property owned by religious organizations not being used as an actual church.
Dude! I LIKE your FIREBRAND SELF.

But before we start taxing churches, why don't we start adjusting property tax for all the BIG CORPORATIONS who have properties that haven't turned over in 34 YEARS, and never will. They're paying NOTHING compared to what they should pay, and they LIKE IT THAT WAY. You pay THEIR way. Oh yeh, and that goes _double_ for the corps who found LEGAL WEASEL WAYS to sell a property without actually "SELLING IT," and thus avoiding reassessment.

And I got news for you Prop 13 guys; if we do a budget solution with no new taxes, it'll be the DEATH of your DEMENTED CHILD. Because people WILL want many services and WILL pay for them.

And start asking, "Gee, why does ONE person get to tell TWO OTHERS that they can't pay taxes? Who is this FASCIST DICTATOR OF PRIVILEGE AND GREED?"
roy

Santa Cruz, CA

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#10
Jun 18, 2009
 
Mexico and Korea are the only two industrialized countries that pay a lower percentage of the GDP in taxes than the U.S., which pays 27.3% while the average is 36.2%--a little more than the Spaniards and a little less the Brits. And they get a little something for their money, like health care (Hello?). Yes, administrative salaries should be cut, but cutting government services is just shooting yourself in the foot. For example,are we all happy that the state parks are going to close? Schools? Education is too liberal--let's close them. You need a road paved? Pay for it yourself. I'm sure you can get a few thousand other tax-whiners to help you pay for it. How about some real alternatives:

--An across the board 10% wage cut for all gov't workers, 15% for administrators

--A repeal of the commercial property section of Prop. 13 for any business with more than 25 employees

--A gi-normous increase in sin taxes, cigarettes and booze. You name the figure

These are just a few ideas. But stop whining about what you pay in taxes--or you could move to Mexico.
Realist

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#11
Jun 18, 2009
 
Sure rebase the property taxes for PG&E, Southern California Edison, San Diego Gas & Electric who are the major property owners in California. Guess what? These increases will be passed on under the CA PUC rate setting formulas to all users of energy not just property owners making this effectively a regressive tax that will hit the poor. Think before you speak and stop listening to the Laird/Keely liberal machine. Taxing churches? Never will happen so get over it you bunch of liberal fruitcakes!!
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Santa Cruz, CA

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#12
Jun 18, 2009
 
How about this? At the federal level institute a tax on all stock market transactions; the more you trade, the more society benefits. At the State and federal level, decriminalize hemp production; less water use and more profit than most crops, lots of industrial applications and lots of new jobs. At the local level lets develop those new hemp jobs - from fabrics to health food from hemp seed oil, hemp is good stuff, and no, you can't smoke it. For local governments across the state, bring back a vehicle fee and have all the money from those fees go directly to local DPW departments for roadway maintenance and improvements. That would lessen the burden on general funds to cover those projects, freeing up funds for social services. Then we can decriminalize minor marajuana infractions and decreas our prison population, saving more state money. I'm not talking about hardcore dealers, just possession for personal use. thousands in jail on that one, and millions spent keeping them there...
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#13
Jun 18, 2009
 
Crystal is a hard working County employee. Does it bother you that she has a job?
roy

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#14
Jun 18, 2009
 
"Realist," you dweeb, PG & E is bleeding us dry right now--their 4th quarter profits are up 100% over last year,in spite of(or because of?)the economic downturn.It's time for them and all the other business welfare queens to start paying their fair share. Listen man,these big corporations are just your dreaded Big Government with a different name (their kids go to the same UCSCs and Stanfords).I'm well aware that the Democrans have been just as useless as the Republicrats in all this, but we do need governmental reform in a big way.We don't have to bend over to the Prison Guards Unions or the Teachers Unions to keep the justice system going or the school doors open. The people of this great state are going to have to demand that EVERYONE pays the price--pay cuts as well as tax hikes.
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Jun 18, 2009
 
roy wrote:
"Realist," you dweeb, PG & E is bleeding us dry right now--their 4th quarter profits are up 100% over last year,in spite of(or because of?)the economic downturn.
And they pay pretty good dividends. Sounds like someone missed the boat on that investment.
Dave

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Jun 18, 2009
 
Zippy wrote:
What also needs to happen is that the property tax rates need to be rebased so that all people in this state pay taxes and not just the lower 25% of property owners. This way, everyone will experience the pain of government spending and we will no longer have a bunch of out of touch conservative whack jobs screaming that it's all the American Worker's fault. Then we start taxing property owned by religious organizations not being used as an actual church.
it's WAY over due ... the whole property tax system is broken ... 10's of thousands of stinking rich property owners inc commercial , paying cents on the dollar compared with broke young first time buyers, it's TRUE disgrace.... the Gov needs to go ...
Bob

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Jun 18, 2009
 
roy wrote:
"Realist," you dweeb, PG & E is bleeding us dry right now--their 4th quarter profits are up 100% over last year,in spite of(or because of?)the economic downturn.It's time for them and all the other business welfare queens to start paying their fair share. Listen man,these big corporations are just your dreaded Big Government with a different name (their kids go to the same UCSCs and Stanfords).I'm well aware that the Democrans have been just as useless as the Republicrats in all this, but we do need governmental reform in a big way.We don't have to bend over to the Prison Guards Unions or the Teachers Unions to keep the justice system going or the school doors open. The people of this great state are going to have to demand that EVERYONE pays the price--pay cuts as well as tax hikes.


Actually, PG&Es profit is regulated and approved by the PUC so if you are unhappy, file a complaint.
Facts before attacks

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Jun 19, 2009
 
idiot right wingers wrote:
First off your a goat roper from hollister, they have a lot more problems then us right noe. Second your an idiot if you think that the top 10% are paying more taxes then the middle class.
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If Realist is one of those "idiot right wingers" and a "goat roper from hollister" then what does that make you, since you're obviously too dim to know that the address listed under poster names are actually the location of their web server. I noticed no location under your ID, which must mean you're from nowhere. But that was already apparent after reading your post. As for you thinking it an idiotic claim that the top 10% are paying more taxes than the middle class, here's the most recent breakdown of total taxes paid by income group I could find from the I.R.S.(tax year 2006):

Percentiles Ranked by AGI
AGI Threshold on Percentiles
Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid

Top 1%
$388,806
39.89%

Top 5%
$153,542
60.14%

Top 10%
$108,904
70.79%

Top 25%
$64,702
86.27%

Top 50%
$31,987
97.01%

Bottom 50%
<$31,987
2.99%

Note: AGI is Adjusted Gross Income
Source: Internal Revenue Service
Realist

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#21
Jun 19, 2009
 
Thanks for the facts "Facts" and for sticking up for a lowly "goat roper" just trying to hang onto his hard earned money.

For all of you that want to pay more taxes, the IRS phone lines are open 24/7 and they are awaiting your pledge.

But wait, the liberal elite don't want to pay more taxes, they want the top 10% to pay more taxes. Turns out that taxes are only good if someone else is paying your share.

I would think that if the bottom 50% payed more in taxes (or in many cases any taxes) then they would be more interested in out of control government spending.
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Santa Cruz, CA

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#22
Jun 19, 2009
 
So Vince - are you saying an employee who get's a dui after a christmas party should be fired? From what you posted, it looks like the County acted responsibly - if they gave him a desk job, even more so.

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