Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#143273 May 27, 2012
_Reality Speaks_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Its like Loving vs Virginia has NOTHING to do with gays or the gay marriage agenda. Gays do not have any "right" to marry. They has a desire to be married, thats all.
Actually if you change race or skin color to gender.....the argument used in the Loving decision will continue to be used in the right to marry for Same-Sex Couples.

I have the right to marry and exercised that right when I married my wife.......and a Consenting adult should have the right to marry another consenting adult without regards to gender......I know you got your rights, but would you have gotten them if they would have been put to a vote? Probably not!!!

“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#143275 May 27, 2012
Rational Adult wrote:
<quoted text>Global Warming and Al Gore are relevant, same-sex couples is just adding confusion and a lie to the entire issue. If you had a guess, you would never have come to my thread to attack me. Go rotate somewhere, witch.
Sorry, but you are the "doc". Why is it that trolls like you can't just use your own nic? Why use an innocent bystander who hasn't done anything to you? or is it just a way for you to get your rocks off?

Since: Nov 11

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#143278 May 27, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually if you change race or skin color to gender.....the argument used in the Loving decision will continue to be used in the right to marry for Same-Sex Couples.
I have the right to marry and exercised that right when I married my wife.......and a Consenting adult should have the right to marry another consenting adult without regards to gender......I know you got your rights, but would you have gotten them if they would have been put to a vote? Probably not!!!
It was already in the US Constitution (equality without regard to race). It did not require any vote. Miscegenation laws were never unilateral in this nation or globally. The concept of something called "gay marriage" is brand new with no historical precedents in the US or elsewhere. Marriage is not a Constitutional right and is not in the Constitution.

There is a unilateral definition of marriage in place with DOMA, as well as historically and globally. It has never included same sex couples. In the state where you are married, you can be married legally. But in most of the United States and Europe and Asia, your marriage is not recognized. I support something like marriage for you, but not the one that defines men and women being married.

Since: Jan 12

Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

#143281 May 27, 2012
People like _Reality Speaks_ is the reason America is the laughing stock of the world. Promoting bigotry and homophobia. The issue of gay marriage is a non issue in Europe, South Africa, Argentina, etc. but people like _Reality Speaks_ want to take us back to the 1950s when gay people where arrested in the USA for being gay. It used to be illegal in the USA to be gay. That's why gay marriage is a new thing. Because we have been persecuted for centuries and we are not gonna take it anymore! I've had it. No more. I'm sick of all of this homophobic bigoted anti-gay society we live in.

How dare you? How dare you claim you should have more rights and benefits than another group of people? Marriage goes beyond just a word. Adoption rights for same sex couples will be granted in Maryland because of the legalization of gay marriage.

“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#143282 May 27, 2012
_Reality Speaks_ wrote:
<quoted text>
It was already in the US Constitution (equality without regard to race). It did not require any vote. Miscegenation laws were never unilateral in this nation or globally. The concept of something called "gay marriage" is brand new with no historical precedents in the US or elsewhere. Marriage is not a Constitutional right and is not in the Constitution.
There is a unilateral definition of marriage in place with DOMA, as well as historically and globally. It has never included same sex couples. In the state where you are married, you can be married legally. But in most of the United States and Europe and Asia, your marriage is not recognized. I support something like marriage for you, but not the one that defines men and women being married.
Sorry, but there is NO such thing as "GAY" or "SAME-SEX" Marriage......in fact that's something you can't seem to grasp. My marriage license DOESN'T say anything on it but Marriage Certificate and License issued by the State of California.

You can support any damn thing you want.....but marriage doesn't have to remain just between a man and a woman......you go have something else.....I'll have what I paid for.....a good old fashion Marriage License:-)

DOMA is UNCONSTITUTIONAL because the Federal Government has NO RIGHT to decide which marriages it will recognize and which ones it won't.....THAT'S A CLEAR VIOLATION OF MY DUE PROCESS AND EQUAL PROTECTION which the Constitution guarantees me!!!

Blacks don't own the right to the term "CIVIL RIGHTS" it belongs to ANY minority that is being oppressed or discriminated against!!!

Marriage wasn't already in the Constitution......and neither was race with regards to marriage.....otherwise the Lovings would have NEVER been arrested.

You need to research Same-Sex rites around the 11th century......there was a male couple who got married in Spain in 1061A.D.

Since: Jan 12

Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

#143284 May 27, 2012
People keep saying traditional marriage. Tradition isn't always a good thing. It used to be traditional that gay people were put in jail for being gay. It used to be a tradition that women couldn't vote or blacks where on the back of the bus. do you support that old tradition _Reality Speaks_? Do you think gay people should be persecuted, bullied, and treated like second class citizens because of "tradition."

“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#143285 May 27, 2012
Happy Gay wrote:
<quoted text>You don't speak for other gays. You get one vote and one opinion. It is idiots like you that are responsible for the gay hate in America. Marriage is only a right, if you choose to marry an opposite sex partner.
Like for instance, slavery is legal if it is a dog or cat, not a human. Same-sex marriage is like slavery, not for humans.
Sorry, but the right to marry is for ANYONE who wants it and is willing to fight for it.

I'm married to my wife.....we are a legally married Same-Sex Couple.....and if you don't want to get married.....that is YOUR RIGHT......and you are entitled to it!!!

Since: Jan 12

Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

#143286 May 27, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
Why do we need to put it to a vote again? If one does the math.....one can clearly see that between the vote on Prop 22 in 2000 and the vote on Prop 8 in 2008 lost almost 10 percentage points......which would make it lose eventually, but besides that......if we can not put your right to marry to a vote.....why should you be allowed to vote on my right to marry?


"If you had Civil Rights voted on I would be sitting in the back of the bus and with a bad eye driver you would be sitting next to me" - Rev. Al Sharpton
RnL2008 wrote:
Oh and just so that ya know......anti-gay marriage folks may have put a stop to the right to marry for Same-Sex Couples at the moment.....but that right WILL return to Same-Sex Couples in California.....and your silly vote DIDN'T do a damn thing to my marriage or the other 17,999 legally married Same-Sex Couples:-)
And there are going to be much more happily same sex couples who will get married in California in 2013 when Proposition 8 becomes history. I'm very happy for you and your wife. I hope one day my home state of Pennsylvania legalizes marriage equality.

“Your religion is NOT in charge”

Since: Nov 11

Columbus

#143291 May 28, 2012
Rational Adult wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly what countries are laughing at us, fool. 190 countries oppose same sex marriage and you are a liar when you say Europe, most of the countries that have same sex marriage are in the Netherlands. The only countries in Europe that have same-sex marriages are Portugal and Spain,idiot.
Go suck on a cow's penis. If you want to marry a dog or the same sex, go to apartheid South Africa or Massastupid.
Are you 12?

"most of the countries that have same sex marriage are in the Netherlands"

Four countries make up the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Of the four, only the Netherlands itself performs same sex marriages. The other three recognize them but do not perform them.

Other nations that perform them:
Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Iceland, Norway, Portugal, South Africa, Spain, and Sweden.
Other statuses offer varying legal benefits of marriage and are available to same-sex couples in: Andorra, Australia, Brazil, Colombia, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, Israel, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, New Zealand, Slovenia, Switzerland, United Kingdom and Uruguay.

Now please go to school, get an education... and after reading your last sentence - you should consider changing both parts of your screen name.

“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#143294 May 28, 2012
Rational Adult wrote:
If you read the language of Prop 8 it does not even mention gay or same-sex.
Really, not according to this:
ELIMINATES RIGHT OF SAME–SEX COUPLES TO MARRY.
INITIATIVE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.
http://voterguide.sos.ca.gov/past/2008/genera...

You're wrong......what a surprise!!!

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#143295 May 28, 2012
Wat the Tyler wrote:
People like _Reality Speaks_ is the reason America is the laughing stock of the world. Promoting bigotry and homophobia. The issue of gay marriage is a non issue in Europe, South Africa, Argentina, etc. but people like _Reality Speaks_ want to take us back to the 1950s when gay people where arrested in the USA for being gay.
You shrill, whining bytch, where did I say that? I stated clearly that I support something like marriage for you gays, but it wome be marriage as I know it. It will be gay marriage, and that is different from marriage no matter how hard you people try to make it the same. I am not a homophobe, and I have no problem with you being gay. But you cant marry your lover and expect it to be seen as my marriage. Arrested? You have to LIE to make your points? You just strengthened my resolve to make sure you lying activists never are allowed to upturn the democratic process in America by FORCING your gay agenda down our throats.
It used to be illegal in the USA to be gay. That's why gay marriage is a new thing. Because we have been persecuted for centuries and we are not gonna take it anymore! I've had it. No more. I'm sick of all of this homophobic bigoted anti-gay society we live in.
Being gay is unnatural. If everybody was gay, the Human race would be extinct in a single generation. You being gay does not make you less of a person, but it does make you abnormal as compared to the rest of Humanity. This is just how it is, without any subjective judgements. Your behaviors lead to a dead end, and because gays cannot bear children, their numbers are self-limiting. Adoption is an artificial construct. Gay "couples" can never be conplete because they require the absence of wither a female or a male parent 100% of the time.
How dare you? How dare you claim you should have more rights and benefits than another group of people? Marriage goes beyond just a word. Adoption rights for same sex couples will be granted in Maryland because of the legalization of gay marriage.
Bitch please. You have the SAME rights. If you want to marry a woman or man (your opposite), you can do so in any state in the United States. It will be recognized by the federal government, by all nations on earth. Your choice to be gay means you cannot be with a same sex partner and call yourself married because that relationship does not qualify as marriage.

HOW DARE YOU try to strip the meaning of marriage away from Nature and God, and give it to some perverted tryst between two people of the same sex! FREAK!

“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#143296 May 28, 2012
Rational Adult wrote:
<quoted text>Your as clueless as Nutral and just as stupid. I told you all I would get you. Nutral, Sly prick and you pissed off a lot of people. This could be Doc, Murphy, Seen, WAAT or Nettie, but then it could not be. We decided to take your show in the road. You backed Nutral and now you will pay. Native is a lamb compared to me and the Doc is mild compared to the storms I can cause.
It really doesn't matter who you are.....I know who you aren't.......the rest is irrelevant!!!

“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#143298 May 28, 2012
Rational Adult wrote:
<quoted text>No, you are not married. It is the same as slavery and the laws not allowing blacks the right to use public bathrooms. No you are married to some man's wife and his children's mom.
However, you are a pedophile not a wife.
I'm not sure where the hell Slavery has anything to do with this issue, but I'm sure you'll keep harping on like a new toy......lol!!!

Actually, my wife is ONLY married to me......if she had still been married to someone else.....we'd not have been able to legally married as that would have made one of us a bigamist.....which is illegal.

Don't ya ever get tired of being wrong? or does it simply just come natural to ya?

“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#143300 May 28, 2012
Happy Gay wrote:
<quoted text>You make me ashamed to be gay, because you are stupid and a hateful bigot. You need help.
Well, that's your right.
The Corbomite Maneuver

Seattle, WA

#143302 May 28, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
<quoted text>
Really, not according to this:
ELIMINATES RIGHT OF SAME–SEX COUPLES TO MARRY.
INITIATIVE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.
http://voterguide.sos.ca.gov/past/2008/genera...
You're wrong......what a surprise!!!
You are a stupid troll and that makes you mentally ill.

The liberal idiots placed that title on the Initiative and you still lost. GOT IT, EVEN WITH THAT FORCED TITLE BY JERRY BROWN: ELIMINATES RIGHT OF SAME–SEX COUPLES TO MARRY.
INITIATIVE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.

You still lost.

Prop 8: "Only a marriage between a man and a woman are recognized in California."

That is what it said, fool and that says nothing about same-sex or gay.

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong and having your dad's black tranny dick in your fat azz?
The Corbomite Maneuver

Seattle, WA

#143303 May 28, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, that's your right.
Yes, and your dad said it was his right to treat you like his gay boy lover. Do you have a black dick?

“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#143304 May 28, 2012
Rational Adult wrote:
You know NOTHING of my size, so you make childish insults........we call that being a bully.

As for my wife.....again....you know nothing of her life......so, keep looking like the jackazz you are.

This thread is neither about my personal life or my wife's......but it does have something to do with the right to marry for Same-Sex Couples in California.

Do try to stay on topic.........it won't make you look so foolish!!!

“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#143306 May 28, 2012
The Corbomite Maneuver wrote:
<quoted text>You are a stupid troll and that makes you mentally ill.
The liberal idiots placed that title on the Initiative and you still lost. GOT IT, EVEN WITH THAT FORCED TITLE BY JERRY BROWN: ELIMINATES RIGHT OF SAME–SEX COUPLES TO MARRY.
INITIATIVE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.
You still lost.
Prop 8: "Only a marriage between a man and a woman are recognized in California."
That is what it said, fool and that says nothing about same-sex or gay.
Don't you ever get tired of being wrong and having your dad's black tranny dick in your fat azz?
My point was you were wrong.....you stated that Prop 8 didn't mention Gay or Same-Sex and it does!!!

You're right.....it does say that.....but Prop 8 DOESN'T apply to the 18,000 legally married Same-Sex Couples.....didn't you bother to read that in the Strauss vs Horton ruling by the CSSC in May of 2009?

I wish you'd stop fantasying about having some black man's dick up your azz......it's none of my business and I'm sure no one else wants to read about it either.....sick b@stard!!!

Oh and I'm not Black, nor Transgender and not Rose from North Hollywood.....though, from what I've read.....she kicks your azz quite a bit!!!

“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#143308 May 28, 2012
Rational Adult wrote:
<quoted text>Don't you get tired of being wrong,freak......here is what it says and all else was Jerry Brown liberal add-on and you still lost.
Prop 8 SEC. 7.5. Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.
Doesn't apply to the 18,000 legally Married Same-Sex Couples who were married BEFORE the passage of Prop 8.

Are you really that incapable of comprehending the UNANIMOUS ruling by the California State Supreme Court on the existing marriages before the vote on Prop 8 took place?

“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#143318 May 28, 2012
Rational Adult wrote:
<quoted text>Go screw your self, liar. There never has been 18,000 legally married couples in California, 1/3 to 1/4 of those couples left the very next day. If you weren't so stupid, you could look up exactly where they came from and that number.
Prop 8 invalidated that ruling, fool and then the CSSC reversed their own position.
Are you really incapable of comprehending Prop 8 which says SEC. 7.5. Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized
in California.
You are too stupid and ignorant to see that once Prop 8 is upheld, the legal challenge to all 13-15,000 of the remaining same-sex marriages are inherent in Prop 8.
The number has NEVER been disputed by the proponents of Prop 8.....so, I'll accept the number in court documents.

Prop 8 was NOT retroactive.......therefore it only prevent future issuing of Marriage Licenses to Same-Sex Couples.....IT HAS NO EFFECT ON THE EXISTING MARRIAGES......again read the Strauss vs Horton ruling(CSSC May 2009)

It matters not if the couples stayed in California or left the next day......their marriages are still VALID, LEGAL AND RECOGNIZED in California today and in ANY STATE THAT RECOGNIZES THE LEGAL MARRIAGES PERFORMED IN CALIFORNIA.

I could look up every marriage that was performed......but why would I? Where the couples came from is irrelevant seeing as California has no residency requirement in order to get married here.......just a divorce residency requirement!!!

The CSSC DID NOT reverse it's self......it made a ruling in the re Marriage case about Prop 22 that granted the right to marry for Same-Sex Couples in May of 2008. In May of 2009, it ruled that Prop 8 was a Proper Amendment, it ruled that Prop 8 was NOT retroactive and it ruled that the existing marriages would remain VALID, LEGAL AND RECOGNIZED in spite of the wording in Prop 8. I'm certain you can go read these decisions, but it's much easier to lie and get caught in those lies of yours!!!

Prop 8 has been ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL by Judge Walker in August of 2010. The 9th has upheld Judge Walker's ruling in February of 2012......and currently we are waiting to see if the 9th will grant an en blanc hearing or if they will decline that request.

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