State rules marijuana smoke is a carcinogen, may require dispensaries to post warnings

Joints and baggies sold at California's medical marijuana dispensaries will soon carry a new warning label. Full Story

“where it all comes together”

Since: Apr 08

Santa Cruz, California

#26 Jun 20, 2009
Of course wrote:
I'm neither an opponent or nor proponent of marijuana. I'd like to say of course marijuana smoke is carcinogenic. Any smoke fumes produced from burning which result in carbon IS by scientific fact, carcinogenic. So, basically the fumes produced from burning anything is carcinogenic. This is a basic fact. Yet, many marijuana proponents deny it.
So does the most respected opponent: http://www.counterpunch.org/gardner07022005.h...

The fact is marijuana has been shown to inhibit all kinds of cancer: http://www.alternet.org/story/9257/

Marijuana Cuts Lung Tumor Growth in Half, Study Shows: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/...
Science Daily, 17 Apr 2007

And on and on and on.
Electrocute the Tourists

San Jose, CA

#27 Jun 20, 2009
So pot smoke is a carcinogen now, so it will be made illegal just like cigarettes.

Wait...
Lucas

San Francisco, CA

#28 Jun 20, 2009
It seems like there are an awful lot of young men in their early 20s with nothing wrong with them who are showing off their medicinal marijuana cards and growing pot for sale.

“where it all comes together”

Since: Apr 08

Santa Cruz, California

#29 Jun 20, 2009
Xanthippe wrote:
It seems to me that inhaling hot gas produced by burning is likely carcinogenic.
Anyone with a compromised immune system ought to get their "medicine" in a different manner, I would think.
That's because you don't think.

Not about people gagging with nausea from chemo.

Nor for asthmatics, nor about a whole bunch of other things.

Cannabis is an anti-biotic. Cannabis-smoke is anti-biotic. I remember back in 1995 we were sitting in the San Francisco Cannabis Cultivators Club passing a joint and it occured to me you had all these very sick people passing joints, including people with Hepatitus C, and they weren't getting each other's diseases.

Ten years later someone finally does a study and concludes what we observed, there must be something anti-septic in the smoke. And there is.

“where it all comes together”

Since: Apr 08

Santa Cruz, California

#30 Jun 20, 2009
Planner wrote:
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Does that mean someone did their job well? Put the dispensaries where they will be able to function effectively and not bother anyone? Sounds like a good deal to me.
They are in the worst possible place, not that I ever go there. Not when I can save $150/ounce going to San Francisco. And not only can I get it at least $150 cheaper in San Francisco, but it hasn't been kieffed.

But they are in the worst possible place. They should be downtown, convenient to public transit.

Most medical marijuana patients are old, sick, tired, and probably mobility challenged. Many must take public transit. Getting there and home is an ordeal for many of them.

“where it all comes together”

Since: Apr 08

Santa Cruz, California

#31 Jun 20, 2009
No more dispensaries wrote:
City planning has been inundated with new requests for cannabis club dispensaries (yes they do have to be a non-profit) since the federal government lightened their enforcement in the states that allow it for medical purposes.

City Planning has proposed a moratorium on allowing more dispensaries to Council. It will be discussed and voted on Tuesday, 23rd at 3 in council chambers. Please come show support for the moratorium or write to city council mailto:citycouncil@ci.santa-cr uz.ca.us
Thanks for the head-up. I'll be there, to oppose the moratorium.

Not that it will make any difference.
Lawfull American Nutjob

Menlo Park, CA

#32 Jun 20, 2009
I........and uh.........

“where it all comes together”

Since: Apr 08

Santa Cruz, California

#33 Jun 20, 2009
bad pot wrote:
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If sales tax is being charged, then you are being scammed my friend.
CA Imposes State Tax On Medical Marijuana Dealers
CBS News - 7 Apr 07
http://cbs5.com/local/2.454489.html
CBS News wrote:
"If you sell medical marijuana, your sales in California are generally subject to tax and you are required to hold a seller's permit," the board said in notices sent out in February. "If you do not obtain a seller's permit or fail to report and pay the taxes due, you will be subject to interest and penalty charges."
Medicine and food should not be taxed.
Eug

Watsonville, CA

#34 Jun 20, 2009
palmspringsbum wrote:
<quoted text>
That's because you don't think.
Not about people gagging with nausea from chemo.
Nor for asthmatics, nor about a whole bunch of other things.
Cannabis is an anti-biotic. Cannabis-smoke is anti-biotic. I remember back in 1995 we were sitting in the San Francisco Cannabis Cultivators Club passing a joint and it occured to me you had all these very sick people passing joints, including people with Hepatitus C, and they weren't getting each other's diseases.
Ten years later someone finally does a study and concludes what we observed, there must be something anti-septic in the smoke. And there is.
FYI, most people don't know they have Hep C until 20-30 years after they contract it. Get back to us 2015 with your liver tests.

So are you saying after I go potty instead of washing my hands to remove any nasty microbes, you can just blow cannabis smoke on my hands? You are proof alone for reasons not to smoke cannabis.

“where it all comes together”

Since: Apr 08

Santa Cruz, California

#35 Jun 20, 2009
Serf City wrote:
All drugs have good and bad sides to them, including legal pharms, but the thing about Santa Cruz stoners and liberals, they think they are the exception to the rule.
The dangers of pharmaceuticals are horrendous. Comparing the dangers of pharmaceuticals to the dangers of cannabis is laughable.

Over 10% of America is on some kind of SSRI. 5% of them will experience manic psychosis as a result. That works out to 1.5 Million Maniacs Waiting To Explode.

The Journal of The American Medical Association announced in 1998 that prescription drugs AS PRESCRIBED are the 4th leading cause of death in this country: http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/279...

Fox News reported 7 of the last 12 school shooters were on anti-depressants or withdrawing from them.

30% of California medical marijuana patients use it for depression and other psychiatric conditions and not one of them has ever shot up a schoolyard.

http://www.palmspringsbum.org/medical.html
Creekan

Santa Cruz, CA

#36 Jun 20, 2009
If medical cannabis is keeping your pain at bay and allowing you to eat at least a little, even if there are carcinogens it's worth it for some patients. An increase in cancer risk is something to laugh at if you're terminal anyway (I knew a guy who spent his final days chainsmoking, drinking beer, and eating all the overdone bacon he wanted). And if you're in such pain and misery that you're considering suicide, you really don't care about carcinogens -- I tell you this from past experience.

For some people, eating cannabis (in food, tincture, or capsule) does not get appreciable results or they can't keep it down, and their only options are to smoke it or use a vaporiser. However, vaporisers are very expensive (especially when you've already run out of money because you're too ill to work and your medical expenses are immense) and many find them difficult to use, especially if their illness affects their motor skills or use of an arm.

To the person who commented about young people with medical recommendations, on the assumption that they were faking their need: How do you know? It'd be a wonderful thing if young people didn't get cancer, but unfortunately they do. I had a slow-growing cancer for, according to my oncologist, up to 10 years before it was diagnosed (thought it was something else entirely). That means I probably had cancer in my 20's myself. Even I didn't know it -- you couldn't tell by looking. You usually can't. So don't be hassling people about their medicine ... they already have it hard enough, a possibly fatal disease to face when they're that young which could come back and kill them at any time. Think about what kind of life that is, and then reconsider hassling people about their medicine.

Yes, there are people who manage to get a recommendation when they are really just after some recreational use. So let's all mock people who use other prescription painkillers, because there are people who abuse those, too. Sheesh.

“where it all comes together”

Since: Apr 08

Santa Cruz, California

#37 Jun 20, 2009
Lanny Swerdlow insterviews Donald Tashkin:

“where it all comes together”

Since: Apr 08

Santa Cruz, California

#38 Jun 20, 2009
Killing bacteria with cannabis: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2008/08/k...

“You have been lied to”

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#39 Jun 20, 2009
Marijuana can be vaporized, eaten, or made into extracts and tinctures.(Such products were sold in pharmacies prior to marijuana prohibition in 1937.)

The tars and other unwanted irritants in smoke have nothing to do with marijuana’s therapeutically active components, called cannabinoids. Vaporizers are simple devices that give users the fast action of inhaled cannabinoids without most of those unwanted irritants.

While heavy marijuana smokers do face some health risks associated with smoke — for example, an increased risk of bronchitis — those risks do not include higher rates of lung cancer.

The Institute of Medicine reported,“There is no conclusive evidence that marijuana causes cancer in humans, including cancers usually related to tobacco use.”

In a huge study that followed 65,000 California HMO patients for 10 years, tobacco use, as expected, resulted in rates of lung cancer as much as 11 times that of nonsmokers. But marijuana smokers who did not use tobacco actually had a slightly lower rate of lung cancer than nonsmokers.

A major, federally-funded study conducted at UCLA also found no lung cancer risk connected to marijuana smoking — and even suggestions of a “possible protective effect of marijuana” against lung cancer.

All medicines have risks and side effects, and part of a physician’s job is to evaluate those risks in relation to the potential benefits for the individual patient. Doctors are allowed to prescribe morphine,cocaine, OxyContin, and methamphetamine. Do you really think marijuana is more dangerous than those drugs?

There long lines of cigarette smokers who have died of lung cancer. Where are all of the marijuana smokers with lung cancer? There are none. Doctors would never recommend that their patients smoke cigarettes. Why do they recommend marijuana? Maybe because it works and it is safer than other treatment options.

Drug Abuse is Bad... The Drug War is Worse!
LAW ENFORCEMENT AGAINST PROHIBITION
Criminal Justice Professionals Speaking Out Against the War on Drugs
www.askleap.org
Eug

Watsonville, CA

#40 Jun 20, 2009
palmspringsbum wrote:
Killing bacteria with cannabis: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2008/08/k...
I forgot, Hep C is not a bacteria but a virus. Might want to start thinking about your liver.
Eug

Watsonville, CA

#41 Jun 20, 2009
palmspringsbum wrote:
Killing bacteria with cannabis: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2008/08/k...
Ironically, inhaling cannabis is known to damage the lung's ability to fend off invading pathogens - quoted from your reference which is not peer reviewed.

Since: May 08

Santa Cruz, CA

#42 Jun 20, 2009
palmspringsbum wrote:
<quoted text>
That's because you don't think.
Not about people gagging with nausea from chemo.
Nor for asthmatics, nor about a whole bunch of other things.
Cannabis is an anti-biotic. Cannabis-smoke is anti-biotic. I remember back in 1995 we were sitting in the San Francisco Cannabis Cultivators Club passing a joint and it occured to me you had all these very sick people passing joints, including people with Hepatitus C, and they weren't getting each other's diseases.
Ten years later someone finally does a study and concludes what we observed, there must be something anti-septic in the smoke. And there is.
You are your own worst enemy.
know it all

Santa Cruz, CA

#43 Jun 20, 2009
bad pot wrote:
<quoted text>
If sales tax is being charged, then you are being scammed my friend.
It goes to the City...go call the mayor and ask her...

“where it all comes together”

Since: Apr 08

Santa Cruz, California

#44 Jun 20, 2009
LEAP wrote:
Doctors are allowed to prescribe morphine,cocaine, OxyContin, and methamphetamine. Do you really think marijuana is more dangerous than those drugs?
And methadone and paxil and prozac and effexor and zoloft, all ADDICTIVE and extremely dangerous.

Doctors have been prescribing METHADONE for PAIN for over two years now.
non profit

Santa Cruz, CA

#45 Jun 20, 2009
So if the dispensaries are non-profit, then why are they charging street prices. If it is to support security, rent, permit fees, etc., then why aren't the street "vendors" selling it for dirt cheap?

And another thing...most (all?) smoke and dust can cause cancer...duh.

Finally...the abuse potential (and ramifications of such) for cannabis is much less than many other commonly prescribed drugs. An individual who wants to get high can scam a doctor for oxy, vicodin, whatever...Why are people so hung up on cannabis? It was legal for much longer than it was not. Time to move on to bigger issues (after we clean up the legalization and make it legit - admittedly, there are a lot of scheisters in the game now...) Now what about North Korea, Iran, our economy and water woes?

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