Two pot stops tops: City leaders consider new rules for medicin...

Full story: Santa Cruz Sentinel

In a city famous for its tolerance of marijuana, leaders will consider allowing no more than the two existing medical dispensaries within city limits, despite the federal administration's increasing acceptance of the medicinal herb.
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Yall ar dumm

Ben Lomond, CA

#1 Nov 3, 2009
How utterly stupid, GW charges ridiculous prices, on top of the annual card "fee" - I didn't renew my card this year, because the GW prices, on top of the $150 for the card, is just ridiculous; I'd rather play Johnny cannabis seed..
Why should I pay $60/eighth when I can get quality Indica, for a chronic insomnia problem that you're *REALLY* glad you don't suffer from (google DSPS/N24 sleep disorders if you care), for $30 an 8th?
Stupid.. I see zips running <200, tell me wy I should bother with this BS system, it NEEDS competition before I'll go back..
Just legalize it, tax it and and let CA lead the way out of the failed "war." Obviously the cops have MUCH more to worry about than then people who want to consume something much less benign than half-pints of Taaka vodka.
Wake up people, the answer to CA's fiscal problems is right under our noses. People who want to smoke, are gonna smoke, PERIOD, you *can't* stop it, and for many, many people the pros FAR outweigh the cons of these ridiculous laws..
Yeah, right - restrict business to the monopolies selling herb for 3x what I was paying for it 20 years ago in WA state, and watch what happens to the "legal" trade, ya'll need to go take some business classes at the YMCA or something, I'm thinking Cabrillo might be a bit much at this point.
This is plain reconkulous..
Too pricey

United States

#2 Nov 3, 2009
Yall ar dumm wrote:
ya'll need to go take some business classes at the YMCA or something, I'm thinking Cabrillo might be a bit much
Oh, snap!
55yo patient

United States

#4 Nov 3, 2009
Yall ar dumm wrote:
How utterly stupid, GW charges ridiculous prices, on top of the annual card "fee" - I didn't renew my card this year, because the GW prices, on top of the $150 for the card, is just ridiculous; I'd rather play Johnny cannabis seed..
You don't have to buy a card - that is how the perfectly youngsters get cards - they buy them.

Go to your family physician and get a note - that's all you need.

Of course Greenway does indeed charge too much and lied when applying for the permit - they said they would lower costs as they grew - lie - they increased the price even for stem and seed laden "Old School"

I've been playing Jannie Cannabis Seed myself - legalize it already!
MeeToo

Santa Cruz, CA

#5 Nov 3, 2009
It seems that competition might help bring down the prices. It's totally unaffordable now. Maybe if the dispensaries can grow their own that will help. Unless they be greedy and stick to the "market" pricing.
It is Funny

United States

#6 Nov 3, 2009
Last week "Alarming report on Teen Pot Usage!"

Now we talk about places that sell like it is an everyday thing.

Don't complain about teens using pot, they have the best role models.

I think these places should be at clinics etc. and not advertised like the Sentinel does.
more questions

Santa Cruz, CA

#7 Nov 3, 2009
a) Why did the dispensaries give out confidential information (addresses)?

b) Why does Santa Cruz not want to support a business that is actually (and unlike many in town) thriving?

c) What's wrong with competition? The existing dispensaries charge way too much...If they aren't making a profit at these prices they should be ashamed of themselves...

...And yes, I agree the medical cannabis industry needs more regulation/oversight, but why is SC going the opposite direction of the rest of the COuntry on this? How bout we have a new tax on cannabis that would be dedicated to protecting our open space or for the SO/PD gang units?
tried it

Santa Cruz, CA

#8 Nov 3, 2009
55yo patient wrote:
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You don't have to buy a card - that is how the perfectly youngsters get cards - they buy them.
Go to your family physician and get a note - that's all you need.
Of course Greenway does indeed charge too much and lied when applying for the permit - they said they would lower costs as they grew - lie - they increased the price even for stem and seed laden "Old School"
I've been playing Jannie Cannabis Seed myself - legalize it already!
Most "legit" family docs won't give it...as they are afraid of federal prosecution. They will however give you the wink and nod and tell you its a viable treatment for a variety of things and that their hands are tied...
Concerned Parent

Athens, GA

#9 Nov 3, 2009
Let's do something sensible to protect our children. Licensing, taxing, and regulating the distribution of marijuana is the surest way to put the criminal drug dealers out of business and protect our children from the money-hungry criminal element. It’s time to protect our children and take the marijuana business out of the hands of criminals. License, tax, and regulate the marijuana business. And while we’re at it, let’s implement a personal cultivation permit. Limit the size of the growing area or the number of plants, and put a small user-fee on it to cover administrative costs, something like a fishing license. Maybe high enough that there will be a little something left over for education or fixing the roads.

One possibility:$100 per year for a permit to cultivate a dozen plants.
It's a win-win.
BD Resident

Santa Cruz, CA

#10 Nov 3, 2009
Kriege cannot open on Ingalls Street.

There is a school for children right across the street, so I am not sure as to why his name keeps coming up as someone who wants to open a dispensary on Ingalls.
Billy

San Leandro, CA

#11 Nov 3, 2009
Check out the Santa Cruz police log.
Most of the people who get in trouble are drunk, not stoned.
http://www.ci.santa-cruz.ca.us/pd/MediaLog/do...
whasssup

Vallejo, CA

#12 Nov 3, 2009
The City Council and the city planners need to review recent legal decisions made by California judges which ban cities from limiting medical cannabis dispensaries.

What if the City Council decided that there are too many alcohol dispensaries in Santa Cruz? What if alcohol and tobacco sales were banned at gas station, and only say, ten sites in the City of Santa Cruz were given liquor licenses? Wouldn't that meet the community need for alcohol and tobacco?

How much of the violence around Santa Cruz is alcohol-related? I'd guess about 90% of it is directly linked to booze often with methamphetamine use (San Jose jail statistics are that most violent offenders come in on alcohol, with about 30% of those on meth as well).

Likewise, what about all the corporate pharmacies? They sell opiates (oxycontin, etc.), meth derivatives (Ritalin, Adderall, Vyanse, Desoxyn) and many other drugs that are often abused or diverted to the black market - is the City Council going to decide that Santa Cruz would be "well served" by two pharmacies, and deny licenses to all others?

All in all, they have their heads on backwards.
Billy

San Leandro, CA

#13 Nov 3, 2009
If you read the Santa Cruz police log, you can see that most of the entries are for people who are too messed up on alcohol to care for themselves.

http://www.ci.santa-cruz.ca.us/pd/MediaLog/do...
Another Tidbit

Santa Cruz, CA

#14 Nov 3, 2009
Obviously their prices aren't too high since they see around 250-300 some odd prescription holders a day....

With such a small population in town, it seems like two dispensaries are enough, prices go up, stop buying from the stores, buy from your "dealer".

And if they were to allow more stores to open up they should all be in Harvey West, the "green district"... Keep em in one place, not in spots all over town. Easier to manage, easier to police one area.

And just like alcohol or cig's tax it, tax it, tax it.....
whasssup

Vallejo, CA

#15 Nov 3, 2009
P.S. Concerned Parent is right:

"Licensing, taxing, and regulating the distribution of marijuana is the surest way to put the criminal drug dealers out of business and protect our children from the money-hungry criminal element."

Kids find it easier to get their hands on illegal drugs than on legal drugs. Adults will often not buy alcohol for minors, as that crosses and illegal line, but if they're already doing something illegal, they don't care.

Cannabis is a mild non-addictive drug, however, and often what happens is that young people try other highly addictive drugs, thinking that because adults lied to them about cannabis, they must be lying about heroin and cocaine and meth, as well... and with meth, it's already pushed on kids by Big Pharma and their pet doctors - as Ritalin, Adderall, Vyanse, etc. Meth addicts know this is true - they'll happily buy black market Ritalin to satisfy their cravings, and there is even an illegal business model run by shady parents - they'll take their kids to a dozen doctors, and fill the prescriptions at different pharmacies, and sell the shit on the black market.

How many Ritalin drug stings have the police carried out? Send someone to a doctor to get a prescription, get that prescription filled at a pharmacy, and then bust the doctor and pharmacy owner for selling illegal drugs and put them in jail for five years with a $100,000 fine.

That's what they do with medical cannabis, isn't it? Of course, the drug companies just bribe politicians to intervene with the DEA on their behalf - that's what Purdue Pharma, makers of oxycontin, did - they hired Rudy Giuliani to lobby for them. As a result, they got some BS fine and no jail time - even though they were apparently engaging in "poor practices" - which, thanks to the cover-up, remain unspecified.

The police work for the booze merchants and pill salesmen, in other words. Cannabis would cut into both those markets, so it has to be suppressed.
tamma

Santa Cruz, CA

#16 Nov 3, 2009
What are they doing selling it anyway? I thought non-profits could not sell anything for profit. My understanding when they were opened is they are suppose to give it away. Maybe a little visit from IRS will get rid of the two existing ones.
Soilie Watch

Morgan Hill, CA

#17 Nov 3, 2009
"What are they doing selling it anyway? I thought non-profits could not sell anything for profit. My understanding when they were opened is they are suppose to give it away. Maybe a little visit from IRS will get rid of the two existing ones. "

-Good point. Thank you to Don Lane for pointing out the elephant in the living room. These dispensaries are supposed to be NON-PROFIT. Does anyone honestly think that Greenways is NOT making a profit? The "proprietors" in this article even use the phrase "business" to describe their operations. Honestly, I support legalization, but in the meantime I would like to support non-profits selling it. But from what I can tell, these are NOT non-profits!
Lucas

AOL

#18 Nov 3, 2009
The top planning commissioner (Tom Burns) and his two side kicks are quitting their jobs after questionable behavior and suspicious circumstances and council members are being sued as individuals in a Santa Clara Co. court. Now they are saying no more pot dispensaries. Coincidence? I think not.
Jesus H

Denmark

#19 Nov 3, 2009
City tax revenues are falling..business is decreasing .
Lets have pot stores everywhere !
By the way is anyone taxing what is sold ?
350 people a day @ 50 bucks a bag is 17.500 bucks a day in avagage sales .
17.500 a day @ 365 year is 4-5 million a year in untaxed revenues
Now double this and you get 8-10 million a year .
Huh ?
Just who is getting all this pocket money ? Could it be that some politicians are getting a back hander on this deal ?
If a 25% city tax surcharge was applied ..my God
This would bring in 2 million a year .
Cops would leave dopers alone cause it pays their wages !
Are the people who are getting rich over this are paying income taxes ..which I doubt ?
I wonder ..
Wheres all the money going ?
Jesus H

Denmark

#20 Nov 3, 2009
This deal is all about a few getting rich at the expense of others
5genSC

United States

#21 Nov 3, 2009
tamma wrote:
What are they doing selling it anyway? I thought non-profits could not sell anything for profit. My understanding when they were opened is they are suppose to give it away. Maybe a little visit from IRS will get rid of the two existing ones.
There is a difference between selling something at a cost and selling something at a profit. To moke a profit, you have to have money left over after you pay your expenses (rent, electricity, wages and owners draw). That is why it is legal for them to charge $60/eighth. This is all how all of our wonderful non-profits work.

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