Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Joe Fortuna wrote:

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The question wasn't if homosexual marriages were accepted, but if they happened. You claiming they weren't fully accepted suggest they did happen, which would mean marriage hasn't been only between man and woman.

Joe, I'm surprised your logic hasn't been published! Surely you have a book out somewhere! Please, share!

Here is some more history. Gays have been present in every culture, at about the same rate. And yes, they have tried to marry.

The profound thing is that gay 'marriage' has NEVER been accepted. You can't blame it on Christians, it means that everyone was a bigot up til now, OR every culture has recognized the difference between marriage and gay couples. AND they recognize that something is wrong when same sexes are attracted.

KiMare wrote:

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Wrong. Show the reference site.

Weren't you one of those who brought up the cinderella effect.
I'm not going back to find out but I'm sure you did, and you don't know how to get to the site.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderella_effect

MerryMarauder wrote:

<quoted text>That's because now we don't hide under the disguise of heterosexuality and demand our equal rights. And that pisses you guys the hell off. You would treat us right though if we'd just shut up, accept our lot in life, and blended in as a hetero...hah...yes because you wouldn't even know who or where we are to mistreat. It's our fault for not being what you think we should be and that gives you people the right to mistreat us, riiiiight.

nobody asks you to hide fool..........LOL

But just respect decency laws

There is a certain part of the gay community that sees nothing wrong with what happens at the gay pride parade
Public sex acts and nudity are common and even as it is not legal gays want to force it onto the normal people

Until the police cleaned up the blue chairs beach ever parent that had children would tell them to stay away from that area even at 9 am in the morning

Parents were forced to tell their children that gays are dangerous and should be avoided
Like the perverts on the cruise ship many would expose them self to young children and families just to be different

That created a whole new generation that will hate the gay community
And now anything more than a quick kiss on the cheek will get the attention of the police

If the gay community had come together and held members to the same standards straight people have in public then things would be different

But the gay community defended the two perverts that were on the cruise ship and all that did was once again cause your movement more harm

the original curious cat wrote:

<quoted text>the problem is your small minded minority is trying to set the rules for the rest of tolerant society. you're in the minority. you're trying to stomp on my rights. from gay marriage to birth control to what i can and cannot wear.

go live in some corner of the world where we don't have to hear you and leave people alone to enjoy life and be happy.

first of all I am for a woman's right to chose and for equal rights for gays

But if I was as you suggested conservative on all issues then in fact I would be part of the majority
Google it..........LOL

Now back to this issue......
People do things at a gay parade that is against common decency laws

We don't want to see gays or straight people having sex in public

We don't want to see people walking around naked

We don't want to hear people cussing like a sailor

You are the one stomping on my rights
All we ask is that you follow the same laws that straight people are suppose to follow

Supporting two perverts that were purposefully exposing themselves to children on the cruise ship is stomping on my rights to not have my children see something like that

KiMare wrote:

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And that is a whole different issue from the one we were discussing.
Did you get confused, or were you trying to confuse?

No it isn't.
Remember you asked me to explain what I posted because you weren't able to understand, that maybe why you think its a different isssue. If you go back and read it again with the new knowledge you should be able to see it is the same issue.

Joe Fortuna wrote:

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Weren't you one of those who brought up the cinderella effect.
I'm not going back to find out but I'm sure you did, and you don't know how to get to the site.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderella_effect

You are right, I did.

However, you claimed the studies were only about abusive step-parents. That's why I challenged your source.

Here is the first line from YOUR source;

"The Cinderella effect is a term used to describe the observed, in many but not all studies, significantly higher rate of stepchildren being physically abused, emotionally abused, sexually abused, neglected, murdered, or otherwise mistreated at the hands of stepparents than at the hands of their genetic parents."

It clearly refers to all step parents.

You are either a liar or stupid. Which is it?

Here Is One wrote:

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first of all I am for a woman's right to chose and for equal rights for gays
But if I was as you suggested conservative on all issues then in fact I would be part of the majority
Google it..........LOL
Now back to this issue......
People do things at a gay parade that is against common decency laws
We don't want to see gays or straight people having sex in public
We don't want to see people walking around naked
We don't want to hear people cussing like a sailor
You are the one stomping on my rights
All we ask is that you follow the same laws that straight people are suppose to follow
Supporting two perverts that were purposefully exposing themselves to children on the cruise ship is stomping on my rights to not have my children see something like that

And once again you are stereotyping the whole for the few incidents of the minority! And yeah,sure,right,whatever you say,we can tell you're in favor of equal rights for gays! LOL,I got a bridge to sell you also! LOLOLOL

KiMare wrote:

<quoted text>You are right, I did.

However, you claimed the studies were only about abusive step-parents. That's why I challenged your source.

Here is the first line from YOUR source;

"The Cinderella effect is a term used to describe the observed, in many but not all studies, significantly higher rate of stepchildren being physically abused, emotionally abused, sexually abused, neglected, murdered, or otherwise mistreated at the hands of stepparents than at the hands of their genetic parents."

It clearly refers to all step parents.

You are either a liar or stupid. Which is it?

he is both

Here Is One wrote:

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he is both

That's the facts, LOL

Here Is One wrote:

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nobody in there right mind would not say that the abnormals have tried to change the meaning of the word in the last 40 years
Get any dictionary printed before the middle 60s and it was clearly between a man and woman

Marriage has always been between a man and a woman, that is the issue that I was talking about. If there has only been one marrage that wasn't between heterosexual then it hasn't always been between them.
The issue wasn't when the definition of marrage had a add on to include homosexuals.
It wasn't tried, it was changed, look in any new dictionary.
The meaning of words have change through out the history of the world. Because you don't like the new add ons to words doesn't change the fact that they have changed.
Even in the early 19century there were more than one meaning of the word marriage, it also means a ceremony, a union between two objects.

KiMare wrote:

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That's a big list with some stretched generalizations Joe...

I'll go slowly, look up elephants see who rasies the young until they are old enough to go out on their own.
After you find that one out, maybe I'll give you another one.
Sure there are some animals that the male helps raise, even some where the male does it all, but mostly you find that the female does most of the raising.

Joe Fortuna wrote:

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Marriage has always been between a man and a woman, that is the issue that I was talking about. If there has only been one marrage that wasn't between heterosexual then it hasn't always been between them.

There has never been a marriage that wasn't between a hetro couple.

There have been a few that claimed such a thing, but everyone knows that's silly.

Remember the fable, The Emperor's gay partner, and the kid who said, "they aren't married!"

Joe Fortuna wrote:

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I'll go slowly, look up elephants see who rasies the young until they are old enough to go out on their own.
After you find that one out, maybe I'll give you another one.
Sure there are some animals that the male helps raise, even some where the male does it all, but mostly you find that the female does most of the raising.

And the human animal?

Bill Of Rights wrote:

<quoted text>And once again you are stereotyping the whole for the few incidents of the minority! And yeah,sure,right,whatever you say,we can tell you're in favor of equal rights for gays! LOL,I got a bridge to sell you also! LOLOLOL

thanks for making my point

There is part of the gay community less than half that are just normal people
They will got to dinner with their partner and people will know they are gay but they are not clamming and forcing there lifestyle onto everyone else in the restaurant

Then we have the majority of the gay community that sees nothing wrong with what goes on at a gay pride parade

Puerto Vallarta was and still is known for its large gay population but today they are policed harder than the straight community as they just went to far

Well if you have ever read any of my post you would know that as a libertarian I think a woman should have the right to chose and what you do in your bedroom is of no concern to me

I have too gay people working in my call center there partners come by almost every day.
We supply meals and pool breaks for all employes and families
We have day care also and nobody has a problem with them in the pool or with their children and most of the people that work for me are conservative and Christian as I do not allow any visible tattoos, piercing of any kind on men and ear rings only for lady's
No unnatural hair colors no talk of sex or foul mouths

My point is we know they are gay but they don't act. Any different then we do

Joe Fortuna wrote:

<quoted text>Marriage has always been between a man and a woman, that is the issue that I was talking about. If there has only been one marrage that wasn't between heterosexual then it hasn't always been between them.
The issue wasn't when the definition of marrage had a add on to include homosexuals.
It wasn't tried, it was changed, look in any new dictionary.
The meaning of words have change through out the history of the world. Because you don't like the new add ons to words doesn't change the fact that they have changed.
Even in the early 19century there were more than one meaning of the word marriage, it also means a ceremony, a union between two objects.

yes we marry a bearing and a shaft but that is not the meanings we are talking about

Until the abnormals tried to change this
Meaning of marriage it was always between a man and woman

Joe Fortuna wrote:

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I'll go slowly, look up elephants see who rasies the young until they are old enough to go out on their own.
After you find that one out, maybe I'll give you another one.
Sure there are some animals that the male helps raise, even some where the male does it all, but mostly you find that the female does most of the raising.

hey Joe. young monkeys are often raised by males. there are gay monkeys too. some species don't even fit into your dichotomy of male/female. before you start analogizing from the animal world, study science better.

you're just projecting your prejudices onto the animal world.

KiMare wrote:

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Joe, I'm surprised your logic hasn't been published! Surely you have a book out somewhere! Please, share!
Here is some more history. Gays have been present in every culture, at about the same rate. And yes, they have tried to marry.
The profound thing is that gay 'marriage' has NEVER been accepted. You can't blame it on Christians, it means that everyone was a bigot up til now, OR every culture has recognized the difference between marriage and gay couples. AND they recognize that something is wrong when same sexes are attracted.

Kind of funny, I've seen a lot of homosexuality painted on ancient walls, those paintings seem to suggest it was accepted in some cultures. Even the egyptians had them painted on their walls, and even in tombs.
When you take in to consideration the length of time that book god believers have been in control of what is writing in history, and their record of destroying things that don't fit their beliefs, finding as much as they have is amazing.

KiMare wrote:

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There has never been a marriage that wasn't between a hetro couple.
There have been a few that claimed such a thing, but everyone knows that's silly.
Remember the fable, The Emperor's gay partner, and the kid who said, "they aren't married!"

The emperors partner? Are you talking about(GAY) King James and his own personally revised bible? And sorry to inform you of this but there are over 18,000 LEGAL marriages between same sex couples in California alone and I have no doubt 10's of thousands others in the 6 states where it is now LEGAL and with Maryland and Washington soon to follow! Gee,I guess denial isn't just a river in Eygpt is it! You just stated another BOLD faced lie! Maybe Mass.(8 years legal there now) recently fell into a lake of fire but I haven't heard about it yet! LOL

George is coming to Fontana, California?

Joe Fortuna wrote:

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Kind of funny, I've seen a lot of homosexuality painted on ancient walls, those paintings seem to suggest it was accepted in some cultures. Even the egyptians had them painted on their walls, and even in tombs.
When you take in to consideration the length of time that book god believers have been in control of what is writing in history, and their record of destroying things that don't fit their beliefs, finding as much as they have is amazing.

Other than exposing your bigotry and stupidity again, do you have a point?