Illegal immigrants invited to turn themselves in

Hometown wrote:

<quoted text>this is a national problem and should be controlled by federal laws. those states, cities, and individuals should have charges against them for aiding these illegals. Just as the companies that are giving these people work should be fined to offset the cost of the mass deportation that should take place!

True what you say, but not so easy to nail the offending companies. Many follow the rules and still end up hiring illegals. I believe it was Tyson that the government sued over the hiring of illegals and the feds could not prove intent. Tyson had hired only people who had legitimate looking papers. The key to dealing with this is to provide easy access to methods of verification and require that all use them.

Now that's a stinking job I truly wonder if any but the desperate would take. Working condtions in processing plants are unhealthy to say the least and tedious as hell.

Part one
My ancestors from my mothers side immigrated from Europe in the mid 1700s from my fathers side they immigrated from Ireland/Scotland in 1907 When they came they came with a suitcase and a dream, Each had little money there were no government subsidies to assist them they made it on their own. All swore allegiance to the U.S. not to the country they left.
All believed this was the land of the free and all raised their children to speak English. When I went to school the idea of a foreign language in our school system was an elective for academic study.
In my day schools provided books pencils and paper at the minimum for children We had to supply the book covers our attendance and our brainpower. Back then the not so rich used brown paper bags to make their book covers. Now they send home a list or publish it the local paper before school starts. One of the reasons is we the taxpayer are paying for someone to cater to the ones who refuse to learn English. They (illegals) demand we teach them in their language, what a crock of Sh^t America was based on the English Language from its birth. How America got so out of whack I'll never know some Sh^thead politician we the people should have stopped it.
I look out into today’s society and hang my head how we as Americans left this happen In such a great Nation I can not explain. We have an estimated 12.5 million illegals here and we shouldn't, a mistake was made the first time we offered amnesty. Now we have it happening again within just 20 years. Only worse.
They march in our streets and demand the rights of an American citizen while they are not. They disrespect our National Flag by flying their flag above that of the U.S. Flag. They want our tax dollars to pay for duel language education. They further task our system by not paying for healthcare and our Health insurance and hospital care is through the roof. They illegally collect the social benefits of our Nation which in-turn takes away from those who are citizens who not only need it but also deserve it.

Part two

They bring their gangs, their drugs, and their crime to our neighborhoods. Our cities push it off to other agencies saying it's a federal problem No it's everyone’s problem. We need to hold all who enable the illegals accountable. I have no sympathy for those who say I can't run a business without the cheap labor of the illegals. Well if that is the case you are not such a shrude businessman and perhaps you shouldn't be in business in the first place.
To the landlords who rent to them They to exploit them for profit the city needs to crack down on them, as well. Jail confiscate property that will send the message. The civil liberties which challenge our laws in their behalf need to be disbanded for subversion against the United States. They to waste our time tying up our legal system for someone who has no rights to a fair trial, Miranda rights, or due process. What has happened in Hazelton Pa is a disgrace. Illegal is Illegal if it is illegal to be in this country then it is illegal to be in any part of this country.
To those who immigrate here legally I welcome you. Pay all the immigration fees learn our language pay your fair share to be part of the American way. Don't ask me to pay for your school healthcare give you free legal service and subsidized housing. Don't ask me to cater to your language within our electoral process.
Do we need a wall, It dam sure wouldn't hurt, but it can't be just 700 miles on a 2600 mile border. That would be a start how about a guard on that wall every 1000 meters with a sniper rifle. How about during the deportation process; Interment camps. We did it in the second world war and we did it with the Cubans as well. We also need to reform our laws because if the baby is born here in the U.S. to an illegal then it was also born here illegally. Offer a grandfather clause let them hire a lawyer and pay to go through legal immigration for those whose children were born here. Any criminal record and they are out no wavers.
For those of legal status who are not citizens and provide aid to any who are illegal and or broke the law we need to use our laws like obstruction of justice and get rid of them too. Automatic revokcation of visa status. what happens to them after they are gone over the border is not my concern. Deportation charges to be paid by country of Origin or subtracted from our National debt.
Yes this would be a start for Americans to take back America

Thomas38 wrote:

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True what you say, but not so easy to nail the offending companies. Many follow the rules and still end up hiring illegals. I believe it was Tyson that the government sued over the hiring of illegals and the feds could not prove intent. Tyson had hired only people who had legitimate looking papers. The key to dealing with this is to provide easy access to methods of verification and require that all use them.
Now that's a stinking job I truly wonder if any but the desperate would take. Working conditions in processing plants are unhealthy to say the least and tedious as hell.

They have a system called e-verify which checks the status of legal aliens and U.S. citizens it is currently being fought by some congressmen they don't want it passed until it is 100% full proof now tell me what government agency is 100% full-proof. The main opposition is from California and New Jersey. Currently the e-verify system is 98-99% effective and has reasonable avenues to address the failures when they occur.

As far as making the people who receive assistance from the Government regardless whether it be state or Federal, work, Well that is unconstitutional although I would be all for an amendment to allow it. We make it to easy for people to become a responsibility of the Taxpayer and not be responsible for themselves. I do understand there are those who do need assistance and deserve it, But for sure not on the level we are shelling it out.

If we systematically make it harder for illegals to work and live in the United States we will curb much of the problem. However perhaps you should google the cases of the ACLU and you will find they are the first to cry fowl when anyone starts to crack down on Illegals.

Hazelton PA. City passed ordinances which enacted fines for Businesses and landlords who harbored Illegal aliens, The ACLU sued the city saying it was federal Jurisdiction to control the illegals and not the city's. Over a year ago and still no ruling. The mayor of Hazelton said if it is illegal to be in this country then it is illegal to be in my town and those who enable Illegal aliens also need to be held accountable.

Here is a stat probably, which most are unaware of. The American taxpayers paid over 500 million dollars for health-care for illegal aliens in 2007

Thomas38 wrote:

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Nice sentiment but report after report from any different areas of the nation indicate those jobs will largely go unfilled. That's not to say there are no incidents where illegals have taken jobs away, I just do not believe, from all I've read, heard and seen, it is the dominant factor. It's got a lot more to do with the bottom line and the willingness of our native work force to do the dirty boring jobs that so any immigrants find themselves in. Ah, if life was only that simple.

I disagree. I have worked in processing plants and so have many of my black and white friends.

You do realize there is a difference between legal immigrants and illegal aliens right?.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Thomas38 wrote:

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Nice sentiment but report after report from any different areas of the nation indicate those jobs will largely go unfilled. That's not to say there are no incidents where illegals have taken jobs away, I just do not believe, from all I've read, heard and seen, it is the dominant factor. It's got a lot more to do with the bottom line and the willingness of our native work force to do the dirty boring jobs that so any immigrants find themselves in. Ah, if life was only that simple.

Then are we to redefine unemployment as "I can't find a job" to "I can't find the job I want"?

Indyeast wrote:

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I disagree. I have worked in processing plants and so have many of my black and white friends.
You do realize there is a difference between legal immigrants and illegal aliens right?.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

So, perhaps you have but that doesn't prove there are lines of native born Americans waiting to skin chickens.

Is that a trick question? You changed the noun???? An alien, legal or otherwise, is somebody not born here, is it not? You must have heard the term legal alien. Sting was one. Guess it boils down to knowing the difference between legal and illegal. I do believe I've got that one down. ;-)

Thomas38 wrote:

<quoted text> Guess it boils down to knowing the difference between legal and illegal. I do believe I've got that one down. ;-)

Legal aliens apply for a visa to come and carry a passport.
Criminal migrants come without papers and enter this country illegally thus committing a felony. They commit identity fraud, tax evasion, falsify records, and flee to avoid prosecution. They are breaking the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996, Public Law 104-208 D.V.C., 110 Statute 3009-546. Also numerous State laws plus Title 8 Section 1325 of the US Code requiring 6 months in jail. If deported and they renter, it is 20 years. Federal Law also provides for $3,000 fine for each illegal alien (p.c requires "undocumented alien")and 6 months in jail for each incidence.
Politicians of both parties, from the President down, and liberal Court Judges who legislate from the bench. mayors of cities like San Francisco and Governors like easley (and purdue, if elected)encourage this criminal activity and allow these people to spit in the face of our laws and aid and abet them with free health care, education, housing, food stamps, and Social Security Insurance, unemployment and welfare. This doesn't include churches, civic organizations and law enforcement, which absolutely refuse to enforce the law.

Why do you suppose politicians from both parties encourage criminal activity? Just a theory, mind you, but I have long suspected that the need for the cheap labor pool runs so deep in this country that that it is virtually a threat to some local, if not the national economy should access be denied.

Another factor I often heard is the impossibility of deporting the millions of illegals that we now have in this country. Those are the hitches I see in any plan to end the problem.

Are you interested in solving the problem to every body's benefit or just in enforcing the law? I know that sounds simple, just enforce the law, no problem, but there are problems or our government would have acted by now.

In spite of all the neat arguments posed by you and others, reality is not so neat. No sense in belaboring the point, it's been kicked around almost more than any other topic and yet we remain at an impasse. Some say that without the labor pool these people represent, our economy would literally collapse. Can you refute this?

Thomas38 wrote:

Are you interested in solving the problem to every body's benefit or just in enforcing the law? I know that sounds simple, just enforce the law, no problem, but there are problems or our government would have acted by now.
In spite of all the neat arguments posed by you and others, reality is not so neat. No sense in belaboring the point, it's been kicked around almost more than any other topic and yet we remain at an impasse. Some say that without the labor pool these people represent, our economy would literally collapse. Can you refute this?

I can't refute that any easier than you can prove that it would.