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Third Moon Mouse

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terrye wrote:

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He's on a mission to save souls!
Terry E

There again, your soul is no concern of mine, I could care less. I've not quoted Scriptures, or made any religious-based remarks. My comments are from personal beliefs. And YOU tell ME to quit stereotyping, jeez.

Travis A

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Third Moon Mouse wrote:

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Travis, just go away. At least the others have a valid concern. You just make inflammatory remarks for reactions, as you admitted to doing. As I said, you have no credibility. At least the others are posting in earnest, and I respect that much.

lmao i love you to:)

RnL_4EVR_MARRIED

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Third Moon Mouse wrote:

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There's a difference between consensual sodomy and forced or aggravated sodomy. Which was it?

Travis A

“Born gay:)”

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Third Moon Mouse wrote:

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There again, your soul is no concern of mine, I could care less. I've not quoted Scriptures, or made any religious-based remarks. My comments are from personal beliefs. And YOU tell ME to quit stereotyping, jeez.

so what do you base your beliefs on then? you say you think being gay is immoral and wrong but why do you think that?

Third Moon Mouse

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RnL_4EVR_MARRIED wrote:

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There's a difference between consensual sodomy and forced or aggravated sodomy. Which was it?

You're correct, it was forced.

RnL_4EVR_MARRIED

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Third Moon Mouse wrote:

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You're correct, it was forced.

Forced Sodomy is still illegal and it should be.

Take Care:)

Third Moon Mouse

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RnL_4EVR_MARRIED wrote:

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Forced Sodomy is still illegal and it should be.
Take Care:)

Good luck

RnL_4EVR_MARRIED

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Third Moon Mouse wrote:

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Good luck

You have a good weekend:)

dances with weebles

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answers wrote:

Born gay?
I do believe we are all born in sin... then we must get born again. Just because I was born a sinner does not mean I have to stay that way.
If you don't like the life you have, let the Word of God give you another one...
Just a thought....

you were born a sinner? what did you do while you were still in the womb?

terrye

Point Pleasant Beach, NJ

My question was "why didn't you mention these examples?" As I said, you picked the most egregious examples of sexual behavior and put homosexuality in the same class with them.

The man who was sentenced for sodomy had a lousy lawyer! However you don't say if it was in a public place or not. It's pretty clear that Lawrence deals with acts committed in ones home. Twenty years for one night of harmless fun! The Taliban has nothing on us!
To hell with Georgia! If they feel good about depriving a man of his liberty for twenty years on this basis, I deeply regret we're in the same country.

The example of Black/White refers to immutability of our respective conditions. Gay people can no more change their sexuality than blacks can change their skin color.

I have no problems with you! It's nothing for me to fluff you off as the tiny piece of anachronistic lint that people like you are. And that's too bad! Otherwise we might have become friends. I'm conservative and you are probably conservative. There are many things we might agree on. But I feel this position of yours is so deeply ingrained in your psyche that it would forever be an impediment. I hope you have a nice life.
Regards, Terry

Third Moon Mouse wrote:

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I - I never once mentioned sexual examples in the post you quoted - you jumped to a conclusion
2 - Last week, a man was sentenced in a neighboring county to 20 years for sodomy - pretty up-to-date, I think
3 - I don't care if you burn your hairs off having sex, I think the laws are fine as they are.
4 - Your example of black/white are no more similar than my examples of trying to receive benefits as a couple.
I repeat again - If your problem with me is that you think I'm uninformed, you're wrong. I don't believe you should be discriminated against at all. You enjoy the same personal freedoms as I do. But when you try to change laws for something that I oppose, or step beyond existing laws, then certainly I will react in opposition.

terrye

Point Pleasant Beach, NJ

Third Moon Mouse wrote:

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You're correct, it was forced.

You should have made that clear from the start! "Forced Sodomy" is rape and no one condones that! There's a world of difference between "Forced" and "Consensual". My apologies to the state of Georgia! Now the big question, Was the victim a man or woman?
Many people think that "Sodomy" is only male/male sex. It can be all non procreational sex between a man and a woman. Some years ago,(Pre Lawrence) Texas sentenced a man to twenty five years when he and a woman were observed having oral sex in a secluded spot.
Sodomy is not Gay sex, It's all forms of sex the can't result in pregnancy.
Regards, Terry

Third Moon Mouse

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terrye wrote:

It's nothing for me to fluff you off as the tiny piece of anachronistic lint that people like you are. But I feel this position of yours is so deeply ingrained in your psyche that it would forever be an impediment. I hope you have a nice life.
Regards, Terry
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"tiny piece of anachronistic lint that people like you are" ???

Really??

And you accuse "people like me" of stereotyping? ok.

And, I still feel that you misunderstand my position. I do not condemn you for what you do in private. But it doesn't matter.

Again, I wish you the best in your efforts. If you attain your goal, I have no problem with it.

Wolfgang E B

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Third Moon Mouse wrote:

Let's say I know 3 men - Bill, Bob and Bruce.
Bruce is gay...
Bill is a child molester...
Bob is a dog trainer...

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Third Moon Mouse wrote:

These are 3 instances, all I've done is changed names. You will find that there are MANY more similarities than differences.

The similarities have been manufactured. All three can be said to be equally similar to case #4, wherein Bart is in love with Susan. But, in truth, the similarities go no further than the fact that all of these men are in love with/sexually engaged with someone.

The differences are much more prominent. Bruce is involved with a consenting adult. Their relationship is legal, and rightfully so, because no one is harmed by it. It also benefits society, for the same reason that all other healthy, loving relationships do.

Bill's relationship directly harms the child he is involved with. It is illegal, as it should be. Whether or not pedophiles are born with a predisposition toward pedophilia is irrelevant, as the health and well-being of children take precedence over a pedophile's desires.

Personally, I don't care about about Bob's relationship, and would prefer not to even know about it. Regardless, he can't expect his--um, "partner"--to be accorded the same rights, benefits, and responsibilities as a human partner. His is an owner/pet relationship (albeit a twisted one) under the law and is thus, completely different from a man/man, woman/woman, or man/woman relationship.

JUSTANUMBER

San Jose, CA

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HMMMMMMMM y'al got brains e'nuff to know the teacher was wrong, Right?

I mean y'al DO KNOW THE SCHOOL SHOULD DO SOMETHING SO THAT THIS DOSENT HAPPEN AGAIN! RIGHT?

I mean what ever happend to "Dont ask dont tell?"
What is it now? Ram it down my childs throat?

I dont think so, Some people can get just a little to carried away,Especialy were my child is concerned.

Just my honest opinion as a father of two.

Travis A

“Born gay:)”

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Wolfgang E B wrote:

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The above quote is edited for space.
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The similarities have been manufactured. All three can be said to be equally similar to case #4, wherein Bart is in love with Susan. But, in truth, the similarities go no further than the fact that all of these men are in love with/sexually engaged with someone.
The differences are much more prominent. Bruce is involved with a consenting adult. Their relationship is legal, and rightfully so, because no one is harmed by it. It also benefits society, for the same reason that all other healthy, loving relationships do.
Bill's relationship directly harms the child he is involved with. It is illegal, as it should be. Whether or not pedophiles are born with a predisposition toward pedophilia is irrelevant, as the health and well-being of children take precedence over a pedophile's desires.
Personally, I don't care about about Bob's relationship, and would prefer not to even know about it. Regardless, he can't expect his--um, "partner"--to be accorded the same rights, benefits, and responsibilities as a human partner. His is an owner/pet relationship (albeit a twisted one) under the law and is thus, completely different from a man/man, woman/woman, or man/woman relationship.

very well said:)

Third Moon Mouse

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Wolfgang E B wrote:

<quoted text>
The above quote is edited for space.
<quoted text>
The similarities have been manufactured. All three can be said to be equally similar to case #4, wherein Bart is in love with Susan. But, in truth, the similarities go no further than the fact that all of these men are in love with/sexually engaged with someone.
The differences are much more prominent. Bruce is involved with a consenting adult. Their relationship is legal, and rightfully so, because no one is harmed by it. It also benefits society, for the same reason that all other healthy, loving relationships do.
Bill's relationship directly harms the child he is involved with. It is illegal, as it should be. Whether or not pedophiles are born with a predisposition toward pedophilia is irrelevant, as the health and well-being of children take precedence over a pedophile's desires.
Personally, I don't care about about Bob's relationship, and would prefer not to even know about it. Regardless, he can't expect his--um, "partner"--to be accorded the same rights, benefits, and responsibilities as a human partner. His is an owner/pet relationship (albeit a twisted one) under the law and is thus, completely different from a man/man, woman/woman, or man/woman relationship.

Of course they are manufactured. You miss the point entirely.
You gave reasons why the other 2 scenarios are wrong.
What you can't grasp is that a LOT of people view gay activities as JUST AS perverse, immoral and wrong as the other 2. It doersn't necessarily have to be based on religious views or bigotry.
Sometimes people just feel that way about certain behaviors. To use the same example I've mentioned before: I think eating boogers should be outlawed. It hurts no one, is a personal preference, but I consider it disgusting and repulsive, and don't want to be subjected to it or forced to accept it against my will.
Comparing apples and oranges, you may say, but the principles are the same.
You just refuse to realize that some will never accept or support your lifestyle. If this makes them wrong in your eyes, so be it. You are already wrong in theirs.

Wolfgang E B

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Third Moon Mouse wrote:

To use the same example I've mentioned before: I think eating boogers should be outlawed. It hurts no one, is a personal preference, but I consider it disgusting and repulsive, and don't want to be subjected to it or forced to accept it against my will.
Comparing apples and oranges, you may say, but the principles are the same.

On the contrary. So basically, you don't want to live in a free society. You don't value freedom. You want a society where every aspect of your life is controlled through a vast system of laws that govern every little human behavior. You'd be right at home in Singapore.

Regardless

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Wolfgang E B wrote:

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On the contrary. So basically, you don't want to live in a free society. You don't value freedom. You want a society where every aspect of your life is controlled through a vast system of laws that govern every little human behavior. You'd be right at home in Singapore.

Ummm nope!!! I think what he is trying to say is that he finds your lifestyle disgusting and he does not want you forcing your views on him. I think he compared the things that you do in private as disgusting as eating a booger!!! At least that is what I got out it!!! lol!!!!!

Third Moon Mouse

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Regardless wrote:

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Ummm nope!!! I think what he is trying to say is that he finds your lifestyle disgusting and he does not want you forcing your views on him. I think he compared the things that you do in private as disgusting as eating a booger!!! At least that is what I got out it!!! lol!!!!!

Thank you, Regardless. That's exactly my point.

Third Moon Mouse

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Wolfgang E B wrote:

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On the contrary. So basically, you don't want to live in a free society. You don't value freedom. You want a society where every aspect of your life is controlled through a vast system of laws that govern every little human behavior. You'd be right at home in Singapore.

I am living in a free society. I value freedom. I like it when I'm protected from robbers, killers, and perverts. I am wise enough to know that any society has to have guidelines and rules, or chaos will prevail. I don't alway agree with the laws, but I abide by them. If I try to have laws changed, but the majority of citizens support those laws, then I must comply with them.
This country is made up of individuals, as a forest is made up of trees. If it is a pine forest, and you are a sycamore tree, don't expect the pine trees to stop making cones, or to support your sycamore seeds as their own. You can still be a part of the forest, but you will always be different from the conifers. And they won't try to keep you from making sycamore seeds. But it's still a pine forest, not a pine/sycamore forest. So do as you will, but do not expect me to support your efforts. As I said, your view of your lifestyle and my view of your lifestyle are worlds apart. But I'm ok with that, and I'm not trying to change your views. Stop trying to change mine.

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