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FightTheTxDriver RespLaw

“Fight the TX Driver Respon Law”

Since: Mar 08

184

Austin, TX

ISP: Cedar Park, TX

The TX DRL is up for repeal at the Transportation Committee on Monday, March 30th, 2009. Special thanks to Senator Eliot Shapleigh for his sponsor of SB 896: Abolition of the Texas Driver Responsibility Bill.
I will be there to testify and supporters will be there to rally their support for the repeal! We are so close to ending this ridiculous law! Thank you all for your support and non-support. Regardless if you are with or against us: my organization would not be as successful as it is without you!
Please wish us luck, pray for us and I will update after Monday's hearing.
Sincerely,
Mary Moody
e-mail: fightthetxresponsibilityprogra m@yahoo.com
web-page: http://www.myspace.com/fightthetxresponsibili...
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Over 2700 Texans have signed Tamara's Petition Online: http://www.petitiononline.com/TXDRP07/petitio...

captainsnap

League City, TX

Judged:

the southern district court (bankruptcy) says that the surcharges from dps can not be discharged through bankruptcy because they are "fines or penalties". The only part that could be considered
for discharge would have to be the 1% admin. portion.
Now --- the fifth amendment comes back !!!
Double Jeopardy, by punishing us twice. DPS claims these charges are not fines or penalties. Just fees!
Well, can they really have it both ways? If they are "fines or penalties" it becomes double jeopardy.
If they are admin. fees, they should be able to be
discharged as any debt. in bankruptcy. RIGHT?

Get Over It

Houston, TX

Judged:

Fernando wrote:

<quoted text>
If people are ticketed for not having insurance most likely it's because they didn't have money to pay the insurance. It's not like they just forgot to pay that month. I believe it was difficult enough to pay the fine for not having insurance, but to add a surcharge is wrong. The fact that you are not sympathetic means that you probably have the means to pay this type of surchage thus also means you are capable of paying your insurance every month. Be grateful. If you have are not capable of sympathy then try Compassion...seeing beyond yourself.

No compassion or sympathy. Why should I have compassion or sympathy for somebody who can't carry insurance? That means no matter how much insurance coverage I have (better be full coverage) you can hit me and it doesn't matter! My insurance company still has to take care of it so they can turn around and raise my insurance rates or drop me all together! Your punishment for not having insurance is getting your license suspended (which is only a Class C unless you have been previously convicted of Driving While License Invalid). God forbid anybody get hurt during this accident that you have no insurance on because then my insurance also has to cover all the medical expenses. Good Law!

JENNIEWEST

Bacliff, TX

I HAD NO IDEA OF THIS LAW AND LOOKED IT UP AND FOUND IT IN TEXAS. NEW YORK STATE HAS THE IDENTICAL LAW, AND AFTER BEING PULLED OVER IN NEW YORK (DROPPED DOWN 55 MPH ZONE FROM 75 MPH) FOR SPEEDING AND MAILED THE TICKET, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE JUST EASIER TO PAY THE FINE SINCE I WAS DRIVING BACK TO TEXAS. I THOUGHT THE SPEED WAS NOT ACCURATE THEY HAD ME AT 21 MPH OVER THE SPEED LIMIT, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE LIKE 16-18 MPH. THE DRIVER RESPONSIBILITY FINE KICKS IT AT OVER 20MPH OVER THE SPEED LIMIT. HAD I KNOWN THAT IT WAS GOING TO COST ME ADDITIONAL MONEY I WOULD HAVE FOUGHT THE SPEED. THEY SHOULD TELL YOU THIS BEFORE YOU PLEAD.

Seabrook Dude

Pasadena, TX

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Oh, this explains why we should allow uninsured people to drive on the streets so they can crash into the law abiding drivers and not get their vehicles repaired or their medical bills paid. I have seen people handicappedand and even killed in accidents only find out the others that caused it had no insurance. If you can't afford to drive legal, you should not be on the road at all. No sympathy for uninsured drivers here! Get the insurance or pay the fine or go to jail!! My opinion is if you get caught driving without insurance the police should impound your vehicle and take your butt to jail!! If you can't pay the fine,the wrecker, storage obtain insurance the state should aucion off your vehicle and the proceeds should go to injured victims of uninsured motorist accidents. It is people like you that make everyone elses insurance so costly. If you can't afford to drive legally maybe you should consider moving somewhere where you can ride the bus or WALK. And as far as compassion goes, I believe it should be for all those people who have lost their livelyhood, health and life savings because of deadbeats like you that can't meet the minimum requirements to operate a vehicle on our roads. If you can't pay for insurance, don't drive!! THE SAD THING HERE IS THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO DRIVE EVEN IF YOUR DRIVERS LICENSE IS SUSPENDED STILL LEAVING THE PUBLIC AT RISK. Contrary to what you think most law abiding drivers have to do without many things in order to make their insurance payments. They will support this legislation to make the consequences so bad for driving without insuranse to keep them safer and make their own rates lower.

Fernando wrote:

<quoted text>
If people are ticketed for not having insurance most likely it's because they didn't have money to pay the insurance. It's not like they just forgot to pay that month. I believe it was difficult enough to pay the fine for not having insurance, but to add a surcharge is wrong. The fact that you are not sympathetic means that you probably have the means to pay this type of surchage thus also means you are capable of paying your insurance every month. Be grateful. If you have are not capable of sympathy then try Compassion...seeing beyond yourself.

boat-man

Mayfield, KY

Judged:

Fernando wrote:

<quoted text>
If people are ticketed for not having insurance most likely it's because they didn't have money to pay the insurance. It's not like they just forgot to pay that month. I believe it was difficult enough to pay the fine for not having insurance, but to add a surcharge is wrong. The fact that you are not sympathetic means that you probably have the means to pay this type of surchage thus also means you are capable of paying your insurance every month. Be grateful. If you have are not capable of sympathy then try Compassion...seeing beyond yourself.

Im gonna blow the bullshit horn to this comment about why most people dont have insurance. Its not because they forgot to pay or because they dont have the money to pay it; it is because theyare dirt-bags that break the law constanly and dont want to take responsibilty for their studi actions!

FightTheTxDriver RespLaw

“Fight the TX Driver Respon Law”

Since: Mar 08

184

Austin, TX

ISP: Austin, TX

Get Over It wrote:

<quoted text>
No compassion or sympathy. Why should I have compassion or sympathy for somebody who can't carry insurance? That means no matter how much insurance coverage I have (better be full coverage) you can hit me and it doesn't matter! My insurance company still has to take care of it so they can turn around and raise my insurance rates or drop me all together! Your punishment for not having insurance is getting your license suspended (which is only a Class C unless you have been previously convicted of Driving While License Invalid). God forbid anybody get hurt during this accident that you have no insurance on because then my insurance also has to cover all the medical expenses. Good Law!

I do understand with your line of thinking: I have been hit by an uninsured driver and left with the expensive bill.
However, the point is this law isn't keeping Texas roads safer: no one pays the surcharge and drives with an invalid drivers license, hence leading to more uninsured drivers. This law isn't solving the problem. If you want a law to punish the uninsured/invalid driver's license and violation of points, then put something better in it's place that is going to solve the problem and make things better. Making us pay our car insurance money every month to the TX DPS is crazy and stupid!

So please understand, I know you believe we are "deadbeats". But you have to agree that we can't keep a law going that is cruel, unusual and making the problem worse.

Sam Caldwell

Austin, TX

Hmm wrote:

Something doesn't seem right about being punished more than once for the same crime. Even though I know "technically" you're not being punished with the surcharge. But let's be honest here, that is what it seems like. I know people in this position, including myself. They did the crime, served the time payed the fine and now are still paying for that same mistake. After which you have already (according to the court) officially finished. I think the issue here is not about paying for your crime, that being drinking and driving or not putting your child in a proper restraint, but having continue to pay after your punishment was served and finished in the eyes of the court. It can be somewhat defined as double jeopardy.

In 1994 I was convicted of a sex offense and sentenced to ten years in prison. Then in 1995, 1997, 1999, 2001, 2003, 2005, 2007 and 2009 they have RETROACTIVELY created and amended sex offender registration. Many people complaining on this board supported the laws that RETROACTIVELY applied to me, but find them a problem when they are applied in this situation.
In 1998, while in prison, I said that the government would expand its use of retroactive laws so long as we elect idiots who do not consider the consequences of their legislation further than to calculate the impact the same will have on their ratings. It appears I was right.

Harley Livingston

Arlington, TX

mousephart wrote:

I have a question for you. since when is it a constitutional right to drive? I believe driving is a privilege, not a right. If you can find the section of the constitution, I'm sure there are lots of folks out here that would like to see it.

If you ever read the constitution it states that a american citizen has the right to travel on any open road or highway without "permission" for the purpose of travel or transporting personal goods, thats the problem its dumbasses like you that mess america up "ITS A PRIVALAGE" get real just like the "fact" we have the freedom of speech tell that to a judge.. america is falling fast and nobody seems to give shit that I say is unamerican the government is the terrorists they are terrorizing the american people

Harley Livingston

Arlington, TX

but what they dont tell you is you are forfitting your right to travel by signing the card to get a drivers license.... read up on this shit people stop letting BIG BROTHER rape us like this...

Harley Livingston

Arlington, TX

Judged:

Seabrook Dude wrote:

Oh, this explains why we should allow uninsured people to drive on the streets so they can crash into the law abiding drivers and not get their vehicles repaired or their medical bills paid. I have seen people handicappedand and even killed in accidents only find out the others that caused it had no insurance. If you can't afford to drive legal, you should not be on the road at all. No sympathy for uninsured drivers here! Get the insurance or pay the fine or go to jail!! My opinion is if you get caught driving without insurance the police should impound your vehicle and take your butt to jail!! If you can't pay the fine,the wrecker, storage obtain insurance the state should aucion off your vehicle and the proceeds should go to injured victims of uninsured motorist accidents. It is people like you that make everyone elses insurance so costly. If you can't afford to drive legally maybe you should consider moving somewhere where you can ride the bus or WALK. And as far as compassion goes, I believe it should be for all those people who have lost their livelyhood, health and life savings because of deadbeats like you that can't meet the minimum requirements to operate a vehicle on our roads. If you can't pay for insurance, don't drive!! THE SAD THING HERE IS THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO DRIVE EVEN IF YOUR DRIVERS LICENSE IS SUSPENDED STILL LEAVING THE PUBLIC AT RISK. Contrary to what you think most law abiding drivers have to do without many things in order to make their insurance payments. They will support this legislation to make the consequences so bad for driving without insuranse to keep them safer and make their own rates lower. <quoted text>

Americans have the RIGHT TO TRAVEL look it up dickweed....

FightTheTxDriver RespLaw

“Fight the TX Driver Respon Law”

Since: Mar 08

184

Austin, TX

ISP: Austin, TX

Thank you Harley!

fast mustang gt

Temple, TX

Man so what can we do about this I hate giving money away its highway robbery literally

desertsun41

League City, TX

Harley Livingston wrote:

<quoted text>
Americans have the RIGHT TO TRAVEL look it up dickweed....

How right you are my friend. What is this driving is a privlege sheet? If I paid to build those roads then that gives me the right to drive on them.

Whoever thinks otherwise is a slave to your crooked corrupt waste of human flesh government.

I dont feel the domestic terrorist pigs have a right to accuse us law abiding citizens of speeding when they dont even have to show us their sheety radar gun and then extort our hard earned money from us. They would be much better off with a boston cream stuffed into their filthy mouths.

mbrooks1991

Killeen, TX

FightTheTxDriverRespLaw wrote:

The Texas Constitution
Article 1 - BILL OF RIGHTS
Section 13 - EXCESSIVE BAIL OR FINES; CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT; REMEDY BY DUE COURSE OF LAW
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel or unusual punishment inflicted. All courts shall be open, and every person for an injury done him, in his lands, goods, person or reputation, shall have remedy by due course of law.
The Texas Constitution
Article 1 - BILL OF RIGHTS
Section 14 - DOUBLE JEOPARDY
No person, for the same offense, shall be twice put in jeopardy of life or liberty, nor shall a person be again put upon trial for the same offense, after a verdict of not guilty in a court of competent jurisdiction.

--I agree here. It is wrong to have to pay an already expensive ticket twice. Further more, in this day and age it would be financially crippling. On the other hand this law could help make the roads safer to drive on and would create more revenue for the state.
My overall opinion is that this law should be removed because it is unconstitutional and could jeprodize the financial stability of many citizens.

Desi

Pearland, TX

I just don't understand the uproar....if you drive drunk and fail to carry insurance as your required by law......then stop your crying and pay the fines...

kizer24

Woodway, TX

Im in the same boat. I recieved a DWI in late oct of 04. I never heard of the surcharges as I had just moved here. Was put on probation, paid my fines and probation fee's(punishment) then moved to Nebraska. Went to get my license and they said Texas had a hold on it. Mind you this is after the 1 year suspension. I contacted Texas and they want me to pay 1024 x 3 years. It has been more than 3 years so now I have to pay all 3 years at the same time. When I called they apparently set up a plan that I did not ask them to do. I received a letter saying I missed my payment and I would have to pay in full. I never started a plan, much less was aware of a payment I needed to make besides the full amount. Now im SCREWED since I cant get a lic in any state, and will not be able to afford to pay these for many years to come. Lottery is about my best chance of paying them before I die. What are us non affluent people supposed to do?

Desi

Pearland, TX

What are you suppose to do........stop driving drunk to begin with.......

Alan Richard

Houston, TX

Amanda, I don't drive without insurance either. I have, however, neglected to change out the proof of insurance card in a vehicle for sometimes days after the old one has expired (gasp!). I was recently cited for this. I paid the fine rather than go to the courthouse to show my "proof" because I didn't know about the surcharge and I believed the government document (citation) when it told me how much I would be fined, because I was out of town for a good part of the time between the citation and the scheduled court date, and because the days I was in town, my boss would not have given me the several hours it would have taken to drive down there, go through the line, and get this dismissed.
I can believe that I did deserve to be fined for failing to change out my proof of insurance card in time, even though I was insured and can prove it. What I did not deserve, was not told about, was that I would be "fined" THREE TIMES ($260 a year for three years) in addition to the original time, and if the notification of the surcharge were sent to the wrong address (which it was) that my license would be suspended without prior notice.
If you are absolutely perfect and never make any mistakes, then I commend you. I suspect, however, that this is not the case. If it isn't, this law is designed to get you and make you pay repeatedly - not just once - for that mistake. How is this fair or just?

Alan Richard

Houston, TX

Also, this "surcharge" is called a "surcharge" for a reason. The foxes in the henhouse who drafted this piece of garbage knew that if it they called it a fine, they'd be in blatant (rather than implicit) violation of Article 1, Sec. 13 of the Texas Bill of Rights. Now that the southern district court has "come clean" on what these "surcharges" are - that is, fines - we know that citizens are being penalized twice for the same crime (definitely unconstitutional) and also that the state's own official citation documents actually LIE about the amounts of fines given out for traffic violations (since the surcharges are also "fines" on these same violations).

I hope this changes the perspective of those of you who are concerned about having people driving around without insurance (I've been hit by an uninsured driver, so I empathize with that). If we want to prevent this from happening, why don't we just honestly increase the fine for driving without insurance. I guarantee that will make people more careful. But we don't have to go about it in an unconstitutional and deceptive way.

As for the self-righteous and hypocritical morons who divide the world into "law abiding" respecters of Big Black-Booted Daddy and the "dirtbags" who don't, I know your number and your psychological type. There's no having a discussion with you. The founders knew that, which is why they suggested that the tree of liberty be watered now and then.

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