Chase ends in gunfire

i know the person who was killed in cold blood. i was there 4 years ago when he chose to change his life around , he asked me to sponser him because he said he wanted to give back to society. when i asked him what he was willing to do he replied "anything to stay sober" judge however you want. i know the enormous heart this man held inside. ill miss him dearly. as for his family, he was somebodys son, brother, uncle. and a friend that will never be replaced. be carefull who you condem. it just might be that guy who just helped your g-ma get groceries from her car.

bottom line instead of posting dumb a.. things about someone you dont know. pray for the cops who have to live with knowing they could have saved a live but instead took one

the only reason people who knew him are saying who he was is because of people like you who didn't know him his life the good he did the peoples life he touched but you go on here happy that someone you don't even know was MURDERED, yes he made a mistake and it cost him his life hopefully you never ever make a mistake and kill you because we really need more people like you in the world.

Cold Heart wrote:

Diana, you display so much vitriol in your response it must be part of your being. Two peas in a pod, you and Patrick Rose. I am simply attempting to juxtapose your attempt to make him a decent person with the actuality of whom he really was, unbeknownst to his friends or family. Your attempt to discredit me in the fashion you chose is akin to a playground tactic employed by children. I do however think you are a caring person, just alittle misguided.

Molly wrote:

Give me a break! 15 rounds shot at an unarmed suspect!? I knew this man. He served our country in the military and he was not a thug! This alley was like a battle zone. I hope our officers are cleaning up their story, so they can go out and do this again....maybe to one of our sons, brothers, or husbands.

Hey Molly, He was armed with a car and so what if he served in the military. I did to but I'm not out stealing cars and trying to run over law enforcement officers. You say he was not a thug, I say he was a crook and an attempt murderer and got exactely what he deserved.

Everyone who's defending this man keeps saying he "fell through hard times". Don't so many? Where's the prevention? Where's the intervention? I don't doubt this man was a wonderful man aside from his perfectly human flaws and downfalls. And I don't doubt that at least some people who were close and loved him really tried to help him get out of the hole he dug. Still, as this man pushed the limit of the law, those questions beg to be asked.

But I am sorry. I am sorry for the loss and I am sorry for the police officers who right or wrong, made the final call on this man's life while they themselves may be in fear that somebody is about to make the final call on theirs. I am sorry because people are ignorant and may never feel your kind of pain unless it happens to them. And you know why? They block it out by telling themselves those who defend the criminal are ignorant. We're all ignorant. And it's not helping.

Your loved one is gone.(Or if you didn't know/approve of him- this man who was a victim of unfortunate life circumstances is gone.) Whether or not you agree with the cops, it's a tragedy of perhaps an uneven consequence and nobody can take it back.

But look at all the kids in this town who are heading towards the same path in life. Have you ever thought about them? Where are the mentors? Where are the police officers who are talking to and encouraging the kids while they're young so they don't fear or hate the cops when they grow up? And still- whether it's a child or a grown man, it's never too late to reach out- again and again. I think whether or not you agree with the outcome of this tragedy, I'd hope you can at least agree that doing what you can to prevent another one like it is worthwhile.

kennygunnsgv wrote:

i love this brother with all my heart.only god can judge us.some of us live that street/convict life&loyalty.we do what we do so we can stay happy. he was killed try"n to come up.it dont make him any less of a man then one of you do gooder law/cop obeying lops. this brother had more heart then allot of you.i will forever hold him in my heart. he had the balls to go out in a blaze of glory.most of you do gooders wont even put up a fight. he will be missedand forever loved.sgv outlaw love to him & the rose family

I just don't get this. I mean- I respect it, but I don't get how you can say you dedicate yourself to honorable things like loyalty and the pursuit of happiness and yet you call a crime leading to a needless shoot-out death a "blaze of glory". Even if your point is that the police were wrong, they still "won". You/your friend deserved BETTER than that. People deserve better than to think dying in that way is a "blaze of glory". Unfortunately, it's all too common. I hope you the best and I am sorry for the loss of your friend.

If you were all such good friends....where were you when he "fell on hard times" or "made bad choices" why did you not help him? FYI a car is a weapon and can cause lots of damage.

As to why he was shot 15 times I can only guess....14 was not enough to make him stop, and 16 would have been excessive. 15 must have been the right amount!

By the way, those police officers who fired are also dads, sons, brothers, uncles, husbands, etc. They have loved ones who expect them to come home safely too. Life is all about choices. If you make bad ones, there are consequences.

Those of us that knew Patrick know what cause's this type of behavior. Those of you that were close to him know exactly what I'm saying.

I hope to see you all at the 5:00.

DUH wrote:

By the way, those police officers who fired are also dads, sons, brothers, uncles, husbands, etc. They have loved ones who expect them to come home safely too. Life is all about choices. If you make bad ones, there are consequences.

Thanks, Duh! God bless you! I totally agree re: the many friends and relatives posting all say he had gone into " a dark place", yet none said what they had done to support and help him move beyond his troubles. Granted, you can't force anyone to get help if they aren't receptive to it or ready to accept it, but several people were aware his life had taken a downward turn. Maybe the girlfriend is partially to blame, but that's just speculation. Even good, loving people make poor choices at stressful times in their lives, but often it takes an outsider to step up to the plate and force the issue with a loved one in trouble. The bottom line is, he chose his way, and fate stepped in.

As I think I have mentioned before for those who can read several people know and admit he made a terrible mistake that he paid with his life, no one on here has said what he did was right and he should have been given a metal, and this is not the time or place for the people who were in his life an loved his to have to defend themselves for what they did and didn't do to try and help him well all carry that within ourselves, but we have been outraged and disgusted how some ignorant people who don know him his life his situation his heart can come on here say that a human being killed is a good thing that is just wrong, yes I understand the cops are fathers, sons, husbands but they are trained and its is not to shoot and kill we are human being not animals because we know how to think and make choices and have compassion as a person who knows a cop and who's father is a cop that Ive known them since I was 15 neither of them have ever killed a human being and they have been in scary and difficult situations so don't come on here and say it was a good thing and that more cops should kill human beings because karma is a terrible thing abd because that is just stupid and uncompassionate even some animals have compasion

It tells a lot about Patrick that his "friends" make excuse after excuse for him. If he associated with the "enablers" that post here, it's no wonder why he engaged in the actions he did. "A Blaze of Glory". That statement of ignorance speaks for it's self. "A Victim of Unfortunate Life Circumstances"? Just more excuses. Imagine if all of us "Lops", as one brilliant orator stated, made the same decisions as this guy did. Drug addicts are not "Victims". Criminals are not victims. These people are the victimizers. The trend to legitimize these cretins should cause angst to all of us "Lops". Good riddance.

again if you can read NO ONE is making excuses and saying what he did is a good thing AGAIN it was bad and he paid for it with his life really man are you that stupid and what shame YOU must bring you family with that kind of ignorance and cold heart like all we are saying is that there are choices that could have been made instead of putting bullets in to the head of a man who made the wrong choice cops are not trained to shoot and kill like animals man I hope you are not bringing up children to be so closed minded and cold like you

Cold Heart wrote:

It tells a lot about Patrick that his "friends" make excuse after excuse for him. If he associated with the "enablers" that post here, it's no wonder why he engaged in the actions he did. "A Blaze of Glory". That statement of ignorance speaks for it's self. "A Victim of Unfortunate Life Circumstances"? Just more excuses. Imagine if all of us "Lops", as one brilliant orator stated, made the same decisions as this guy did. Drug addicts are not "Victims". Criminals are not victims. These people are the victimizers. The trend to legitimize these cretins should cause angst to all of us "Lops". Good riddance.

Duh...For your information, regardless of what the paper and police say...He was NOT driving the car when he was murdered and he was tasered first! Thank you, Lauren...I loved Patrick and his family.

Mr. Shocked. Apparently it is you sir whom is unable to read or at the least, comprehend what you read. While not everyone is making an excuse for his actions, many are. Thus that statement is in error. In particular read the post from "Kennygunnsgv"(likel y a most apropos moniker). If you were to calm yourself before you lose your senses and steal a car or worse, please take the time to re-read the post here and you will see that I am correct. I do agree with you that the police should have used non-lethal means if available and/or appropriate. Again, please calm down. None of us want to read about you in the paper.

shocked wrote:

again if you can read NO ONE is making excuses and saying what he did is a good thing AGAIN it was bad and he paid for it with his life really man are you that stupid and what shame YOU must bring you family with that kind of ignorance and cold heart like all we are saying is that there are choices that could have been made instead of putting bullets in to the head of a man who made the wrong choice cops are not trained to shoot and kill like animals man I hope you are not bringing up children to be so closed minded and cold like you
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The only thing I can add is that the majority of those in LE do not pull their weapons as a scare tactic, or with the intention to wound. Why else do you think many people try the "suicide by cop" routine? As for the number of rounds fired, 2, possibly 3, officers firing their automatic weapons simultaneously would amount to a large number of rounds. I'm sure during this high-adrenaline scenario, no one was pausing to count rounds. No, I don't know if the Sheriff's Dept. or CHP carry non-lethal rounds, or what their policy is to use such. And I'm also sure that during those seconds when the drama was playing out, those officers would have rather not had to shoot to kill the suspect, but his agrresive, irrational actions forced them to make that calculated, hard decision. It's not about being cold-hearted, it's about being a realist.

Molly wrote:

Duh...For your information, regardless of what the paper and police say...He was NOT driving the car when he was murdered and he was tasered first! Thank you, Lauren...I loved Patrick and his family.

Clarification, please. Who was driving the car, then? Or is this the version his girlfriend (the only witness and the one who several people seem to blame for bringing him to rock-bottom) is putting out? Was she under the influence, as well, at the time?

1st of all its Mrs. not Mr. and if you can comprehend what you are reading the people who knew him are simply stating facts for those who don't know the facts no one said what he did was right and correct but some people still manage to sit in their ivory towers and have the nerve to judge another human being, you are taking one persons comments who is hurting right now and used the wrong way to express how he is feeling when he reads that he should have been killed and more scum like him should be killed and more power to them Enjoying in the fact that a human being was killed, as you stated and hopefully understand our outrage is this it should have and could have been handled in a different way, and that comment about calming down that you don't want to read about me in the paper is just a shame like I said you don't know the 1st thing about me and yet you judge how sad for you.

Cold Heart wrote:

Mr. Shocked. Apparently it is you sir whom is unable to read or at the least, comprehend what you read. While not everyone is making an excuse for his actions, many are. Thus that statement is in error. In particular read the post from "Kennygunnsgv"(likel y a most apropos moniker). If you were to calm yourself before you lose your senses and steal a car or worse, please take the time to re-read the post here and you will see that I am correct. I do agree with you that the police should have used non-lethal means if available and/or appropriate. Again, please calm down. None of us want to read about you in the paper.

to your reply 1st get the facts to this story straight if you read this article and others no where does it say he had a gun he hit some parked cars and a cop car, as for the eye witness not that you need to know this but my sister went to the station where she is being to try an bail her out she is being held and they told her what her charges were the deadly weapon was the car not a gun. I repeat the police are there are good ones that know how to do their job are not trained to shoot to kill AGAIN TRAINED it should have and could have been handled very differently.

Shreks Girl wrote:

<quoted text> Clarification, please. Who was driving the car, then? Or is this the version his girlfriend (the only witness and the one who several people seem to blame for bringing him to rock-bottom) is putting out? Was she under the influence, as well, at the time?

Patrick was NOT shot while ramming cars. He was exiting the vehicle and was tasered first.

Why then did they open fire after all of this?

I live in the Lexington and saw the crime scene from an upstairs balcony. He was laying outside of the car, about 10-12 feet away.

Can any of his friends tell me how this came to be?