Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#142678 May 26, 2012
KiMare wrote:
Inaccurate. I agree there is not a 'gene', however, there does not have to be a gene. Check it out.
Of course, that really is immaterial. Marriage is inherently a choice, but that does not bar anyone else from marrying. Feel free to indicate a legitimate state interest served by denying same sex couples equal protection of the law to marry. I don't think you are able.

“"Human Rights Above All"”

Since: Nov 11

Big Sur California

#142679 May 26, 2012
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course, that really is immaterial. Marriage is inherently a choice, but that does not bar anyone else from marrying. Feel free to indicate a legitimate state interest served by denying same sex couples equal protection of the law to marry. I don't think you are able.
You know I find it funny that they can never give a coherent answer,or any answer for that matter to your question about indicating what legitimate state interest is served by denying same sex couples "Equal" protection under the law the exact same as hetero couples! I have seen this question asked numerous times by you and many others and never an answer that makes any logical sense what so ever Dodge,dodge,dodge is what they are best at!
Obama the Dog Eater

AOL

#142680 May 26, 2012
Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, these losers, including Obama, will support beastialiy next. Obama bin laden would support anything to keep his useless, unqualified azz in the White House.
Next on his list?
He'll say that: After much deliberation and talking to my friends, and family, and the man boy lovers in my administration I've evolved to the point that I can understand and appreciate the needs of men to love little boys and have meaningful intimate "man boy" relationships with them. So therefore, at this point in my 2012 re-election campaign, I find myself in support of those NAMBLA members residing in the U.S.
Oh, BTW, vote for me, so I can be the first PRO-NAMBLA "Man Boy" President of the U.S.

“Yellow Brick Road”

Since: Mar 12

The Land of OZ

#142681 May 26, 2012
akpilot wrote:
<quoted text>
So it is your claim that if 2/3rd's of the States proposed and 3/4th's of the States ratified an Amendment to appeal the 13th Amendment, slavery would not become legal in the States?
You really need to go back to school..
Look asshat you claim that a state can overlook the Constitution. To change the constitution requires an amendment. But that is not what YOU claim!

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#142682 May 26, 2012
akpilot wrote:
So it is your claim that if 2/3rd's of the States proposed and 3/4th's of the States ratified an Amendment to appeal the 13th Amendment, slavery would not become legal in the States?
Did you mean to say repeal the 13th Amendment?
akpilot wrote:
You really need to go back to school..
You are hardly one to talk, since you have just suggested that we "appeal the 13th Amendment."
Anonymous

Vallejo, CA

#142683 May 26, 2012
List of U.S. state constitutional amendments banning same-sex unions by type
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._sta...
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Listen stupid....is being straight and popping out 30 offspring to 11 different women essential to our 'existance'???
Because dumbfuck that's what some straight male just managed and guesswhat...the story line was that he wanted "the state" to pick up his child support bill because he felt the need to go whoring around a few years earlier.
Integrity? You lack it bud. Gay is not the new black. That I'll agree opon but the simularities are present and undeniable asshat and those are discriminating against a grouping of people based on thier makeup which in fact their makeup creates no viable harm.
Now MORON....gfo find harm in gays...gays marrying or the fact you just don't like homosexuals or piss off because my little buttercup punk that's how it works - you don't have the power to inflict your opinion into other American citizens freedoms unless those freedoms or liberties include harm.
And "gay agenda"...LOL!!! The onlt "gay agenda" I've seen shitforbrains is that homosexuals want to be equal.
Well...let 'em...and get a LIFE of your own for Christ's sake loser.
......Take a real long look at the U.S. map. 31 states and 10 more coming up soon. That includes California's Proposition 8. The vast majority of the American people and states know that going against Mother Nature has never been associated with American slavery, a totally different issue. Americans, religious and secular, are not fools.
RiccardoFire

Sacramento, CA

#142684 May 26, 2012
Wat the Tyler wrote:
Thank you president Obama.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2...
57% of Maryland voters say they're likely to vote for the new marriage law this fall, compared to only 37% who are opposed. That 20 point margin of passage represents a 12 point shift from an identical PPP survey in early March, which found it ahead by a closer 52/44 margin.
The movement over the last two months can be explained almost entirely by a major shift in opinion about same-sex marriage among black voters. Previously 56% said they would vote against the new law with only 39% planning to uphold it. Those numbers have now almost completely flipped, with 55% of African Americans planning to vote for the law and only 36% now opposed.
The big shift in attitudes toward same-sex marriage among black voters in Maryland is reflective of what's happening nationally right now. A new ABC/Washington Post poll finds 59% of African Americans across the country supportive of same-sex marriage. A PPP poll in the critical swing state of Pennsylvania last weekend found a shift of 19 points in favor of same-sex marriage among black voters.
Thank u obama: Obama's War on Terror Is Less Ethical Than Bush's. "We don't capture anybody any more...[Obama's] default option... has been to ... take no prisoners...How could it be more ethical to kill people rather than capture them?" The Drone-Happy President: Obama Escalates in Yemen Again. Obama allows the CIA and the military to fire even when the identity of those who could be killed is not known The Obama administration has already launched six times as many drone strikes as the Bush administration in Pakistan alone, killing hundreds of innocent people and devastating families..........U.S. joins effort to equip and pay 'rebels' in Syria.......Drone strikes in Yemen soar as U.S. stokes 'secret war'- America has dramatically stepped up its "secret war" in Yemen with the U.S. ordering dozens of drone attacks on al-Qaida hotspots, which have also killed scores of civilians..........Obama's Attorney General says U.S. can assassinate American citizens abroad (without being charged with anything or given a trial).........We're #47! After Occupy Journalist Arrests, US Plummets in Global Press Freedom Rankings ......Obama sending 5 US military officers to South Sudan ....The White House has declared the government of South Sudan eligible to receive weapons and defense assistance from the U.S. The announcement came amid an outbreak of violence between two South Sudanese tribes that may have left thousands dead and some 50,000 people needing aid .....Weapon's proliferation: In same week $30 billion weapon deal with Saudi Arabia is finalized, Pentagon reaches $3.5 billion weapon deal with UAE...The U.S. will maintain a presence in Iraq even after "ending" of war ...US Troop Deaths in Afghan War Under Obama Now Twice That Under Bush ...U.S. drone strike in Yemen kills U.S.-born Anwar al-Awlaki. The lethal strike marked the first known case in which the Obama administration tracked down and killed a U.S. citizen. The raid also killed a second American, Samir Khan.....Obama secretly sold bunker-busting bombs to Israel....US Resumes Arms Sales to Bahrain. Less than three months after including Bahrain on a list of human rights offenders requiring the United Nations' attention, the Obama administration seems to have changed its mind....Obama silent as U.S. murders Troy Davis...Obama Pushes NAFTA Style Trade Policy Despite 2008 Promise ...Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia....Continued Bush's rendition program...Obama has opened three new military bases in Honduras ...Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia......
RiccardoFire

Sacramento, CA

#142685 May 26, 2012
Wat the Tyler wrote:
Thank you president Obama.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2...
57% of Maryland voters say they're likely to vote for the new marriage law this fall, compared to only 37% who are opposed. That 20 point margin of passage represents a 12 point shift from an identical PPP survey in early March, which found it ahead by a closer 52/44 margin.
The movement over the last two months can be explained almost entirely by a major shift in opinion about same-sex marriage among black voters. Previously 56% said they would vote against the new law with only 39% planning to uphold it. Those numbers have now almost completely flipped, with 55% of African Americans planning to vote for the law and only 36% now opposed.
The big shift in attitudes toward same-sex marriage among black voters in Maryland is reflective of what's happening nationally right now. A new ABC/Washington Post poll finds 59% of African Americans across the country supportive of same-sex marriage. A PPP poll in the critical swing state of Pennsylvania last weekend found a shift of 19 points in favor of same-sex marriage among black voters.
Obama's War on Terror Is Less Ethical Than Bush's. "We don't capture anybody any more...[Obama's] default option... has been to ... take no prisoners...How could it be more ethical to kill people rather than capture them?" The Drone-Happy President: Obama Escalates in Yemen Again. Obama allows the CIA and the military to fire even when the identity of those who could be killed is not known The Obama administration has already launched six times as many drone strikes as the Bush administration in Pakistan alone, killing hundreds of innocent people and devastating families..........U.S. joins effort to equip and pay 'rebels' in Syria.......Drone strikes in Yemen soar as U.S. stokes 'secret war'- America has dramatically stepped up its "secret war" in Yemen with the U.S. ordering dozens of drone attacks on al-Qaida hotspots, which have also killed scores of civilians..........Obama's Attorney General says U.S. can assassinate American citizens abroad (without being charged with anything or given a trial).........We're #47! After Occupy Journalist Arrests, US Plummets in Global Press Freedom Rankings ......Obama sending 5 US military officers to South Sudan ....The White House has declared the government of South Sudan eligible to receive weapons and defense assistance from the U.S. The announcement came amid an outbreak of violence between two South Sudanese tribes that may have left thousands dead and some 50,000 people needing aid .....Weapon's proliferation: In same week $30 billion weapon deal with Saudi Arabia is finalized, Pentagon reaches $3.5 billion weapon deal with UAE...The U.S. will maintain a presence in Iraq even after "ending" of war ...US Troop Deaths in Afghan War Under Obama Now Twice That Under Bush ...U.S. drone strike in Yemen kills U.S.-born Anwar al-Awlaki. The lethal strike marked the first known case in which the Obama administration tracked down and killed a U.S. citizen. The raid also killed a second American, Samir Khan.....Obama secretly sold bunker-busting bombs to Israel....US Resumes Arms Sales to Bahrain. Less than three months after including Bahrain on a list of human rights offenders requiring the United Nations' attention, the Obama administration seems to have changed its mind....Obama silent as U.S. murders Troy Davis...Obama Pushes NAFTA Style Trade Policy Despite 2008 Promise ...Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia....Continued Bush's rendition program...Obama has opened three new military bases in Honduras ...Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia......

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#142686 May 26, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
List of U.S. state constitutional amendments banning same-sex unions by type
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._sta...
<quoted text>
......Take a real long look at the U.S. map. 31 states and 10 more coming up soon. That includes California's Proposition 8. The vast majority of the American people and states know that going against Mother Nature has never been associated with American slavery, a totally different issue. Americans, religious and secular, are not fools.
That might actually mean something if the bans served a legitimate state interest, but they do not. That being the case, the bans are unconstitutional, as they expressly abridge the rights of US citizens, which is forbidden by the 14th Amendment. One might also keep in mind that the US Supreme Court has held that "One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections." West Virginia State Board of Education v Barnette.

Feel free to indicate a legitimate state interest served by these bans that would render them constitutional. I don't think you will be able to do so.
Mona Lott

Hoboken, NJ

#142687 May 26, 2012
_Reality Speaks_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Being gay is not fundamental to existence, sorry. And why do you gays keep attempting to co-opt the Loving vs Virginia precedent? In that case, it was still a man and woman getting married. There was not and still is not any basis for "race" to be used in the enforcement or drafting laws. Loving vs Virginia has NOTHING to do with the gay marriage push. It is CLEAR in your own quote:
"Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival"
If this was about some generic definition of marriage, it would not have included the words "fundamental to our very existence and survival".
The gay agenda is being fiercely resisted because of the underhanded bitch-tricks you people use. Anybody with integrity would easily understand that phrase as being between a man and a woman.
GAY IS NOT THE NEW BLACK.
THE OLD BLACK IS STILL BLACK
And blacks will never support gay marriage in large numbers, no matter what black celebrity or President says they support it. The Asians do not support it, and the majority of Hispanics do not support it. The votes in the states do not support it, and the Constitution does not grant special rights to gay people or anyone else. Marriage is a defined NATURAL coupling between a man and a woman, and recognized by law. That is why one needs a license to be married legally. There is no such thing as gay marriage. Two men or two women in a couple is not a marriage no matter what any paper says.
Seems like you are out of touch with reality. Big surprise.

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“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#142688 May 26, 2012
akpilot wrote:
Yawn..
Translation: "Caught again, damn, oh well, better to try a feeble argument than admit I was wrong."
akpilot wrote:
The 14th requires citizens to have equal protection, not slaves. So no, there would be no need to eliminate the 14th in order for the States to bring back slavery.
Slavery based on race, or pretty much any other suspect classification, wouldn't be allowed as long as the 14th Amendment remains in force. Unless ANYONE can be a slave and/or owner because slavery is a legally available option for EVERYONE (reasonable restrictions apply), or anyone kept out of the business on the basis of a suspect classification, would have varying degrees of an equal protection claim.

So much for your feeble defense of your original argument. The point remains.... If the country managed to survive more or less as it presently exists through the process of of actually repealing the 13th Amendment, slavery, beyond the current illegal trade (which would now be 'constitutionally protected', but not legal), wouldn't be an automatic, only a possibility, because the 14th isn't the only legal obstacle to its return. The laws which make the aforementioned, currently existing illegal trade illegal are another obstacle you failed to even address.
akpilot wrote:
But then again you are stuck on stupid, you are so busy trying to scream "slavery" that you have completely forgotten the entire purpose of the example-
Screaming "slavery"? WTF? Buttercup, you're the one who ventured off to stupid when you screamed, that "slavery" would return if the country repealed the 13th Amendment. I just wanted to point out, that even in the incredibly unlikely event many of us would have lived to actually repeal the 13th, that wouldn't make "slavery" either constitutional or legal. THAT was your original point, now let's deal with your historical revisionism:
akpilot wrote:
the States can do as they please with or without Federal consent. It is the Federal Government which must beg permission to seize power.
Oh, so sorry, the correct answers would be: "While the founding fathers envisioned a federal government which managed a very limited range of the common interests of the quasi-independent states, the Constitution they wrote, gives the federal government a great deal of leeway in assuming most, if not almost all, of the powers they have assumed thus far. The now less than quasi-independent states, are able to "do as they please", a whole heck of a lot less today than they were back then, because that is the type of government the people have voted for. They remain bound by the constitutional guarantees of the rights of the individual and at the mercy of most decisions of the federal government and the only way to amend the Constitution and alter this arrangement is by permission of said federal government."

Remember, it's the states themselves and by extension, we the people, which have provided us with the self-perpetuating circus of a federal government we know today. To our credit however, we have established a system where it's a hell of a lot harder for the states to "do as they please" when it comes to screwing with OUR rights, especially in ways you're hypothesizing.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#142689 May 26, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
Same sex marriage isn't the central issue. It's important that all are treated with respect and dignity, we reject violence and hatred directed toward any group. There are places in the world, where political opponents are called homosexuals and discredited; as long as gays are prosecuted for consensual adult associations; same sex marriage is a distraction.
Congratulations, you're actually right for a change. The same sex marriage issue is merely a facet of the effort to ensure that Lesbian and Gay Americans and ultimately all LGBT people around the world are treated with respect and dignity; where they can live in a world where violence against them has been rejected and the hatred of them denounced by those who believe in the dignity and respect of all people. In order for same sex couples to be treated with dignity and respect, they must have access and be subject to the very same laws which apply to opposite sex "marriage". If you disapprove of same sex marriage, fine, don't marry someone of the same sex and respectfully decline if invited to one of our weddings, but don't you imagine that legally and constitutionally barring us from those laws originally written to manage male/female couples in "marriage" can be seen by us as rather disrespectful, not the best example of being treated with dignity that would come to mind and just plain mean? Same sex marriage isn't a distraction for us, it is a series of rights, benefits, protections and obligations that same sex couples and families, some of whom have been together for decades, have needed for decades. For those of you "opposed" to same sex marriage and/or LGBT people in general who have created this ugly distraction from what is really the right thing to do.
Frank Rizzo

Union City, CA

#142690 May 26, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Congratulations, you're actually right for a change. The same sex marriage issue is merely a facet of the effort to ensure that Lesbian and Gay Americans and ultimately all LGBT people around the world are treated with respect and dignity; where they can live in a world where violence against them has been rejected and the hatred of them denounced by those who believe in the dignity and respect of all people. In order for same sex couples to be treated with dignity and respect, they must have access and be subject to the very same laws which apply to opposite sex "marriage". If you disapprove of same sex marriage, fine, don't marry someone of the same sex and respectfully decline if invited to one of our weddings, but don't you imagine that legally and constitutionally barring us from those laws originally written to manage male/female couples in "marriage" can be seen by us as rather disrespectful, not the best example of being treated with dignity that would come to mind and just plain mean? Same sex marriage isn't a distraction for us, it is a series of rights, benefits, protections and obligations that same sex couples and families, some of whom have been together for decades, have needed for decades. For those of you "opposed" to same sex marriage and/or LGBT people in general who have created this ugly distraction from what is really the right thing to do.
Outstanding post! You've made excellent points and with respect for everyone. This is what wins people over, not the usual disrespect from both sides most often found on this thread. Thank you for a very refreshing post.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#142691 May 26, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
List of U.S. state constitutional amendments banning same-sex unions by type
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._sta...

......Take a real long look at the U.S. map. 31 states and 10 more coming up soon. That includes California's Proposition 8. The vast majority of the American people and states know that going against Mother Nature has never been associated with American slavery, a totally different issue. Americans, religious and secular, are not fools.
You have been riding this horse an awful lot the last couple of days, perhaps no one has told you that amendments to state constitutions can be and have been overturned when they are found to be in violation of rights guaranteed by the US Constitution? Maybe you didn't know that the case of Loving v Virginia took the constitutional legs out from under 7 amendments states had enacted to prevent interracial marriage from being "forced" on them? Or that amendments to state constitutions that dis the Gay folk can be overturned too? Look up the case of Romer v Evans if you don't believe me. As for all those amendments, if the people don't find the wisdom to repeal them, then the courts will dismantle them in their place. Those states which have enacted amendments which deny any and all legal recognition of the rights of same sex couples will be the first to sink, the rest will be dragged down in their wake.
Dan

Roseville, CA

#142692 May 26, 2012
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
1. Doesn't change the truth I stated, does it?
2. Takes one to know one, right?
3. I face/faced my defects. You are afraid to face yours. I think that is really stupid.
You lack truth like the Mojave Desert lacks water. I never saw any truth in any of your rants or I'd be agreeing with them.

Help??

LOL!!!

Takes one to know one?? No...it's about the ability to tell right and wrong. If I saw some bozo shooting little puppy dogs in his front yard with a shotgun I'd stop him too but it didn't take being a canine to figure out what action to take moron.

My defects??? I don't use 'spellcheck' in here for one which no doubt causes some to up their Excedrine usage. My wife says I dress like I shop at Ross so I have to clean that up. I stay up too late. Helll...I have a lot of defects Junior and I face them but none of those defects include being a certified nutter who needs a typed letter to walk the streets of my neighborhood like you...LOL!!!
Dan

Roseville, CA

#142693 May 26, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
List of U.S. state constitutional amendments banning same-sex unions by type
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._sta...
<quoted text>
......Take a real long look at the U.S. map. 31 states and 10 more coming up soon. That includes California's Proposition 8. The vast majority of the American people and states know that going against Mother Nature has never been associated with American slavery, a totally different issue. Americans, religious and secular, are not fools.
You can stare at whatever you want Einstein. We're not talking about the eradication of polio here but the existance of a basic right a group of individuals who happen to be gay wish to possess - marriage.

I wasn't for gay marriage either until I actually placed thought into what it was and only then did I personally determine gays should have the freedom to marry the adult of their choice.

If I can come to that conclusion you better believe others will. You do have a large grouping whom are against gay marriage primarily on a religious format but guess what Junior....religion is not supposed to dictate the freedoms of American citizens....it's un-Consitutional and will be argued as such.

It's not done yet, nationwide marriage, but it's my firm belief it will take place. It's your belief it will be stamped out.

Good luck.
Dan

Roseville, CA

#142694 May 26, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Outstanding post! You've made excellent points and with respect for everyone. This is what wins people over, not the usual disrespect from both sides most often found on this thread. Thank you for a very refreshing post.
Rick appreciates your approval....especially when it's like someone giving congradulations to a neighbor for building the addition to his house when your input during that time was to continue calling the permit department with false information in order to stop the build.

You're such a hypocrite it's sickening...LOL!!!

And what's hilarious is that you refuse to acknowledge it.

Hey jackass....if you're really for gays marrying why not lay out some comment to those in this forum against it????
RiccardoFire

Sacramento, CA

#142695 May 26, 2012
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
You lack truth like the Mojave Desert lacks water. I never saw any truth in any of your rants or I'd be agreeing with them.
Help??
LOL!!!
Takes one to know one?? No...it's about the ability to tell right and wrong. If I saw some bozo shooting little puppy dogs in his front yard with a shotgun I'd stop him too but it didn't take being a canine to figure out what action to take moron.
My defects??? I don't use 'spellcheck' in here for one which no doubt causes some to up their Excedrine usage. My wife says I dress like I shop at Ross so I have to clean that up. I stay up too late. Helll...I have a lot of defects Junior and I face them but none of those defects include being a certified nutter who needs a typed letter to walk the streets of my neighborhood like you...LOL!!!
The Mojave Desert thrives with little water. it's natural. Does it make a difference what kind of gun might be used in shooting the puppy dogs? How would you stop him? would if it was a female or a homosexual? Would you throw yourself in front of the puppy dogs? You wife sounds stupid like you, it's now where you buy clothes, it's what you buy. So your defects are that you have the size of junior? How sad. LOL!!!

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#142696 May 26, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>The Mojave Desert thrives with little water. it's natural. Does it make a difference what kind of gun might be used in shooting the puppy dogs? How would you stop him? would if it was a female or a homosexual? Would you throw yourself in front of the puppy dogs? You wife sounds stupid like you, it's now where you buy clothes, it's what you buy. So your defects are that you have the size of junior? How sad. LOL!!!
Do you actually think this classifies as a rational argument?

Can you actually indicate any legitimate state interest served by denying same sex couples the right to marry that would make such a restriction constitutional?
Dan

Roseville, CA

#142697 May 26, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>The Mojave Desert thrives with little water. it's natural. Does it make a difference what kind of gun might be used in shooting the puppy dogs? How would you stop him? would if it was a female or a homosexual? Would you throw yourself in front of the puppy dogs? You wife sounds stupid like you, it's now where you buy clothes, it's what you buy. So your defects are that you have the size of junior? How sad. LOL!!!
Weren't you the spud who called me out a couple of months ago only to have me advise you of where I was going to get my hair cut if yuo were so bent you felt the need to get physical and then you never showed up???

Yeah...it was you...LOL!!!

The Mojave desert doesn't "thrive" like the Amazon rain forest now does it genius...LOL!!!

Answer my earlier question - what's your beef against gays in specifics? Why not let them marry other than giving us your DICKED up opinion you don't want them to "because".

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