Possible 5-mile trolley route approved by El Paso city council

Unbelievable, another one that leaves a city that they love. Must be the lack of water or too much sun.

Next we need a new set of telegraph poles, then maybe an aqueduct and some palace tombs.

Benito North Juarez wrote:

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Look who's talking, you are the one that is bent out of shape as if you were taking morphine to cure the pain in your butt.
You are a fool and you are one of many El Paso fools, tight wad cheap skates peeny pincher that needs to relocate to West Virginia trailer parks where you came from.

Will the old trolley cars with obsolete electric engines go uphill for a long distance? The SF cable cars do not have engines, but hook onto a moving cable for power. Even if the trolleys can pull up the hill on Mesa, they'll be so slow that no one is going to take one of them if time means anything. Replacing huge, obsolete, overwrought electric engines will have to probably be by special order and therefore very expensive. It looks like they'll be there just for looks, a rather expensive boondoggle with no practical use. If the city goes through with this project, I predict a life of a maximum of two years for the trolleys, and their demise will probably come about shortly after trying to balance the city budget the second year. Like Obama, Government bail-outs will be history next year. I'm glad this is happening in El Paso where I do not pay taxes. Sanctuary cities deserve to be punished for corruption and incompetent leadership.

What is the weight limit/capacity of the old Trolleys?
People in the 1970's were much smaller than today.
The majority of population here has become fat and morbidly obese since the 1970's.
Can those trolleys handle all that tonnage?
Will the small seats be able to accomodate more than 1 of the local blubber whales?

Environmental studies tell us that the electric street cars can climb Oregon Street up to UTEP.
The climb is of some what 20 to 30 degree steep so it is not impossible.
The Old Original El Paso street trolleys had tracks on Grandview and as far as Copia, again those climbs were not complicated.
The seats on the trolleys are rather small if you sit on the isle, the front seats are larger and mainly reserved for disabled, handicap or senior citizens.
On a different note, the San Francisco Cable cars are pulled by an under street cable, and that cable has been known to break at times sending riders on a panic ride specially when the cable snaps going up or down hill.
After those cable cars come to a complete stop there are injuries and many lawsuits againt MUNI.
San Francisco also has electric street cars like the ones El Paso wants to put back into service.
The street cars that El Paso has now can be restored to mint condition almost as if brand new.
The San Francisco street car project was just a pilot project when that city brought their street cars back to service in 1995.
It was a huge success both for local riders and tourist alike, it became very popular and the system expanded adding more rail.
Here in El Paso the trolleys can survive, as long as they don't have any ideas of getting them to serve Juarez.
In fact they shouldn't even go up to the border at all, the city needs to stick with the plans they are working on now.
As for fat people in El Paso? everybody needs to start walking every now and then.
Walking is easy and helps reduce fat, the further you walk the more fat you burn off.

Louis wrote:

I heard today that it's a done deal. I know that JWRussell and some of the other whiners will gripe about it, but it's going to be announced next month. The city will do a 50/50 split with private investment and a bond issue footing the bill.

Yes and the tax payer is stuck in the butt again just like the art work at the Port OF Entry for over $600,000. that we should not have spent for a piece of crap art. The city wants to put in the system but they have not learned that the old trolley cars are going to cost a lot to refurbish and there are not a real chance of finding some of the parts needed to keep them running. Are you really willing to be stuck permanently with the maintenance bills? I doubt that you have the tax money in your future to spend. When you retire you are limited in your funds. There are many here in El Paso who have retired and have limited resources and cannot afford raises in their taxes for whimsical items to lure tourists here. There are only three things that hold this city together, the military, the railroads and the ports of entry. All the older sites have either been torn down, allowed to decay or have burned to the ground. The Old Fort Bliss buildings are apartments and there is no one going there to look at them. The LA Hacienda restaurant is not longer in operation there either.

The trolley does not have enough historical sites to go to to make it worth while.

JWRussell wrote:

<quoted text>Yes and the tax payer is stuck in the butt again just like the art work at the Port OF Entry for over $600,000. that we should not have spent for a piece of crap art. The city wants to put in the system but they have not learned that the old trolley cars are going to cost a lot to refurbish and there are not a real chance of finding some of the parts needed to keep them running. Are you really willing to be stuck permanently with the maintenance bills? I doubt that you have the tax money in your future to spend. When you retire you are limited in your funds. There are many here in El Paso who have retired and have limited resources and cannot afford raises in their taxes for whimsical items to lure tourists here. There are only three things that hold this city together, the military, the railroads and the ports of entry. All the older sites have either been torn down, allowed to decay or have burned to the ground. The Old Fort Bliss buildings are apartments and there is no one going there to look at them. The LA Hacienda restaurant is not longer in operation there either.
The trolley does not have enough historical sites to go to to make it worth while.

And the railroads are moving operations to Santa Teresa. If Fort Bliss were to closed or down size ElPaso will just end up a ghost town blowing in the wind. What else is here except the Sun Bowl game and this so called fight some mexican fighting a Irishman. Oh forgot crooked politicans, business men and women, and poeple who run the school district. How in the hell did this dump ever become a All Amercian City when half the people here are Illegal?

JWRussell wrote:

<quoted text>Yes and the tax payer is stuck in the butt again just like the art work at the Port OF Entry for over $600,000. that we should not have spent for a piece of crap art. The city wants to put in the system but they have not learned that the old trolley cars are going to cost a lot to refurbish and there are not a real chance of finding some of the parts needed to keep them running. Are you really willing to be stuck permanently with the maintenance bills? I doubt that you have the tax money in your future to spend. When you retire you are limited in your funds. There are many here in El Paso who have retired and have limited resources and cannot afford raises in their taxes for whimsical items to lure tourists here. There are only three things that hold this city together, the military, the railroads and the ports of entry. All the older sites have either been torn down, allowed to decay or have burned to the ground. The Old Fort Bliss buildings are apartments and there is no one going there to look at them. The LA Hacienda restaurant is not longer in operation there either.
The trolley does not have enough historical sites to go to to make it worth while.

I don't know about stuck in the butt per se. The tax revenue spent will come back to us tenfold in my view. So I guess your analogy is correct if you like butt sex but if you don't, then yuo have it all bass ackwards.

["EL PASO, Texas —
Plans to restore the city's retro street cars could be derailed after the city puts them up for sale.

"I was upset," said Ron Dawson, president of El Paso Del Norte Street Car Preservation Society. The organization has had a contract with the city for more than, 40 years to keep the streetcars. The contract runs through 2015.
Dawson said he found out the city put the cars up for sale because street-car companies in other cities called him to ask why they city was selling the vintage cars.

"No one told us," he said. Dawson said after much persuasion and public outcry to keep the old cars, the city is holding off on the sale.

Dawson said he and others from the group met with city leaders and the deputy city manager of mobility, Jane Shang, on the project.

Shang said her research shows it would be more cost effective to purchase new replica cars rather than modernize the vintage cars. But she is willing to consider any proposals put forth, that would show the cost benefit of refurbishing the cars.

Companies will come give an estimate of the cost of modernizing the old PCC cars on Tuesday and help present a proposal to the city.

The city appraises each car at $6,000 for museum use."]

They should have sold the old cars for scrap years ago and now the only use they are is as museum pieces. Too bad someone did not burn them while they sat where they are. We do not need a trolley service as they will be a big disruption to traffic flow. If The city needs a transit system to and from downtown to Utep then They should build an elevated monorail system that would travel up the alley ways running north and south. Three stops up and three stops down.

James Russell USNR wrote:

["EL PASO, Texas —
Plans to restore the city's retro street cars could be derailed after the city puts them up for sale.
"I was upset," said Ron Dawson, president of El Paso Del Norte Street Car Preservation Society. The organization has had a contract with the city for more than, 40 years to keep the streetcars. The contract runs through 2015.
Dawson said he found out the city put the cars up for sale because street-car companies in other cities called him to ask why they city was selling the vintage cars.
"No one told us," he said. Dawson said after much persuasion and public outcry to keep the old cars, the city is holding off on the sale.
Dawson said he and others from the group met with city leaders and the deputy city manager of mobility, Jane Shang, on the project.
Shang said her research shows it would be more cost effective to purchase new replica cars rather than modernize the vintage cars. But she is willing to consider any proposals put forth, that would show the cost benefit of refurbishing the cars.
Companies will come give an estimate of the cost of modernizing the old PCC cars on Tuesday and help present a proposal to the city.
The city appraises each car at $6,000 for museum use."]
They should have sold the old cars for scrap years ago and now the only use they are is as museum pieces. Too bad someone did not burn them while they sat where they are. We do not need a trolley service as they will be a big disruption to traffic flow. If The city needs a transit system to and from downtown to Utep then They should build an elevated monorail system that would travel up the alley ways running north and south. Three stops up and three stops down.

If you want to learn something about economics, you should read Paul Krugman. He lays out in precise detail what we should do and is adamant about the course we need to take. Borrowing rate are at an all time low and now is not the time to be cheap. We need to invest in infrastructure and put people to work. If we don't our country will continue to fall farther and farther behind.

Neil wrote:

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If you want to learn something about economics, you should read Paul Krugman. He lays out in precise detail what we should do and is adamant about the course we need to take. Borrowing rate are at an all time low and now is not the time to be cheap. We need to invest in infrastructure and put people to work. If we don't our country will continue to fall farther and farther behind.

You have a vert good point Neil. There is just one problem around this area with all the no bid contracts, corruption, back door deals and all. How in the hell do you get the public trust with this money for these projects. This is like putting the fox in charge of the chicken house.

Mr_D_ ElPaso wrote:

<quoted text> You have a vert good point Neil. There is just one problem around this area with all the no bid contracts, corruption, back door deals and all. How in the hell do you get the public trust with this money for these projects. This is like putting the fox in charge of the chicken house.

Those are good points but it's a separate issue. One has to do with public policy and the other relates to whom we trust to implement then. Attacking the corrupt leaders is fine and necessary but attacking the good ideas shows a lack of thinking towards the future.

Neil wrote:

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Those are good points but it's a separate issue. One has to do with public policy and the other relates to whom we trust to implement then. Attacking the corrupt leaders is fine and necessary but attacking the good ideas shows a lack of thinking towards the future.

Yes it is a great idea to thinking of the future for our children and grand children as they should not have to pay for all the stealing and corruption of our time and not doing anything about it. As far as whom we trust I myself in my own family would only trust my Mother and Father a couple of Grandparents. Except they have passed on. No sons or daughters or siblings maybe my oldest son and one brother thats it to keep things fair and square.

Mr_D_ ElPaso wrote:

<quoted text>Yes it is a great idea to thinking of the future for our children and grand children as they should not have to pay for all the stealing and corruption of our time and not doing anything about it. As far as whom we trust I myself in my own family would only trust my Mother and Father a couple of Grandparents. Except they have passed on. No sons or daughters or siblings maybe my oldest son and one brother thats it to keep things fair and square.

What about your fire fighting son? Surely he is trustworthy in that job - I know I always trust a man in uniform.

Mr_D_ ElPaso wrote:

<quoted text>Yes it is a great idea to thinking of the future for our children and grand children as they should not have to pay for all the stealing and corruption of our time and not doing anything about it. As far as whom we trust I myself in my own family would only trust my Mother and Father a couple of Grandparents. Except they have passed on. No sons or daughters or siblings maybe my oldest son and one brother thats it to keep things fair and square.

Yeah whatever, you're just looking for fresh meat to molest you pervert!

Petrol wrote:

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What about your fire fighting son? Surely he is trustworthy in that job - I know I always trust a man in uniform.

I knew it wouldn't be long before your stupid asks comments came along your one sick person that should be locked up in some mental facilty soon er the better. You just hang in there stupid. i have told you before several times ya just don't get it do ya dummy