Speak English, Your In America Now

Mike wrote:

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Hold Up Alexandra,
I agree with you on most of the ideas you have except for 2 things, First of all, dont explain mexicans as victims, if they were victims they would not be coming here in droves, they are far from being victims. And 2, when that mexican woman has her baby here on U. S. soil, they become entitled or that baby I should say becomes entitled to all the WELFARE America has to offer.
PS, go down to home depot and offer a Nacionale 3 bucks an hour do work, he will tell you to "chinga su madre" quicker than shit through a goose!
But let me add something else that I noticed here in my travels, what most of us see here in the borders states is way different than what I have seen in the plains, interesting to see the Amish culture dealing with immigration issues in rural Indiana. I saw soo many mexicans I thought I was back in San Antonio.

Don't worry Mike, your comments do not offend me. I respect your opinion and I am glad that you express it while maintaining a respectful tone and attitude toward mine.

Just remember, that having a baby in America doesn't really entitle the mother to remain in this country. More than likely, these mothers will remain in hiding for fear of being sent back and will not seek out assistance. If mothers are discovered, they can be quickly sent back despite their baby having "claim" to citizenship here. The mother is left with having to place her baby with someone else or return with him/her back to Mexico.

My experience comes from the border life. Unlike other places up north, there are many immigration enforcement officials around here that will come and take you right back without regard to your baby's citizenship. I understand that the lack of officials to enforce immigration laws in other places might make it easier for women to try and seek out assistance. But also, keep in mind that the Mexican people are very proud people. Many Americans of Mexican descent will live in poverty with barely enough food to live on because they will not demean themselves by asking for handouts. That attitude is more hard-core the deeper rooted your Mexican culture is instilled in you.

My only hope with my comments is that we take a glimpse at the other side. It is a sad situation when your country cannot provide you with the opportunities to make a descent life for yourself and your family. Mexico is one of those places where the "haves" have and the "have-nots" have nothing. No matter how hard you work at it, your social class is what determines your destiny.

In America, it doesn't matter from where or what you come from. All it takes is hard work and persistence and you can overcome any situation. It is sad that people here don't see that and would rather point fingers at who is taking what jobs from us. Because really, the jobs that these Mexicans can get are jobs none of us really care for. And if we took advantage of the free education offered to the youth of America and the availability of grants, scholarships, and student loans to further our education, we wouldn't have to worry about the Mexicans cleaning toilets and digging ditches and taking away our jobs.

But the again, that's only my personal feeling and everyone is free to disagree.

I saw some interesting bumper stickers here some years ago after some racists attacked a home for asylum seekers:

- Everyone is a foreigner almost everywhere in the world

- Your jeans are American, your god a Jew, your recent meal Turkish, your pre-historic ancestors African, etc...

Food for thought.

Texas Tornado wrote:

I think you are all jumping on Wendy when in a lot of ways she's right. I've seen many job postings where the requirements mention you must speak spanish. I don't think that's right. If I choose to learn a new language to better myself then great, but it should not be a requirement to work in the United States. There are Russians, Chinese, Koreans, French, just to name a few who live in this country too. Do we need to learn these languages as well? If I was Russian and told I needed to speak Spanish to get a job I would be upset, when after all, I came to the United States - not Mexico. Why not make everyone learn Russian to accomodate me, and so on. If you are going to move to a new country then you should learn that language. I doubt everyone in Mexico is required to speak English just to accomodate any tourist that might come over there or an American who might decide to move there. If you are in this country illegally, then you should have no say. If you want to have a say in the workings of this country, then come here legally, learn the language, pay taxes like the rest of us and become a member of the melting pot. To change our language, give medical care, educate the children, and give all kinds of benefits is only encouraging more illegal immigration. Think I'll move to France and sue that country for discrimination because I speak English and I feel everyone there should too, just to accomodate me!

I really agree with you that it should not be a requirement to speak the spanish language just to get a certain job that I believe is wrong and yes if you come to the US legally then you should learn english BUT knowledge is power and I think not only should children be given an option to learn spanish but they should be given an option to learn any language they choose

MariaTV wrote:

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I really agree with you that it should not be a requirement to speak the spanish language just to get a certain job that I believe is wrong and yes if you come to the US legally then you should learn english BUT knowledge is power and I think not only should children be given an option to learn spanish but they should be given an option to learn any language they choose

You need to consider the area that you live at. If you want to be more marketable, you learn Spanish if you live in Texas. What use are languages such as Russian or French to you here? I live on the border and a lot of the businesses here have to require Spanish because a lot of business is done here by Mexicans with money. Not all Mexicans are poor. There's tons of them with money and they bring that buying power with them.

I am all for children given the opportunity to learn different languages. But common sense dictates that you learn a language that will be beneficial. If those children have big dreams of using their second language skills someday by moving to another country or to an area where that language is common, then I'm all for it.

I am a verbal and written communicator of both English and Spanish at the same level and it has been a great asset in my professional life.

come on now i as an american give up free handouts to all the minorities and you take it cant you all just do us a favor and at least speak our language ENLISH IN AMERICA!!!!!!!!! oh no i made so many mistakes in my english language ooops at least yall know what it says cause yall are correctin us all. I will NEVER speak spanish. So go ahead correct all my mistakes but still speak english for me cause i know yall are going to take the free college and the rest of the hand outs as to were i have to pay for everything in my life unless i go tanning for a year!!!!!!

I Learn French As A Second Language,(In South Carolina, In The Mid Seventies), I Be "Damm" If I'm Going To Be Forced To Lean Spanish. The U.S. Constitution Does Not Have An Official Language; But, It's Written In English, At The National Library In D.C.(The Nation's Capital), And Every Library Across The USA. Furthermore The National Mall Has Everything Written In ENGLISH!

History Taught Me Africans, Asians And Europeans Among Others Had Been Sailing Too The Americus Thousands Of Years Befour Columbus Ventured Across The Atlantic. Dozens Of Majestic Stonesheads Have Been Found At Ancient Sacred Sites LaVenta And Zapotes In Southern Mexico Over Nine Feet In Hight Twenty-two Feet Around Measuring Thirth Tons. Depicting Black Helmented Men With Large Eyes, Broad Fleshy Nose And Full Lips. Read On, Your World History; Not, U.S. History; Because, That's All It Is "His-Story." Everyone From Across The Globe's In America Wanting To Claim It. I Fought For It; But, You Can Have It. I Have And Is Getting What I Want In Here.

Speak English, you're in America?? Maybe we should only eat american food and not mexican food since we are in america, after all! "God damn america"---REverend Wright.

...Yeah Wendy,,lighten up,,,YOU are in this country that still has the FIRST AMERICANS & you are NOT one of them,so learn to speak Cherokee,,Apache,,Comanche,,So uix,,or any of the other NATIVE to America tribe dialects before you start griping about language.You say"We can not allow any modification of our national language."
Your ancestors forced the First Nation people to learn your words & beliefs and change to try to be white. Why was that???You also say"To force the “legal” US citizen to speak a new language is Discrimination based on language."All Native "First" Americans can really understand how that goes thanks to people like you.You were not here first so learn OUR language.Spanish was even here in the South before you.Estupida.Get a grip woman.The "foreigners" saturated the country & forced your english on Natives & when you decided you wanted all our land you forced us to leave our homes & go to Oklahoma like dogs in your way.""Please help stop the madness before it goes any farther.
We can not allow any modification of our national language."" Really??Just deal with it,,we did.What goes around comes around,,my Spanish is not that good but maybe IT should be the #1 language just so you have to change & know how it feels to loose you identy to another race..Wado,

That ^ is total CRAP- there are 5 Derivitive Linguistic Groups of Native Americans in the USA- they are from 5 seperate ( Major ) bering Straight Migrations beginning at from 25.000 years ago- each succesive Major Migration Changed the Linguistic Characteristics through CONFLICT i.e.- the NEWER Migrants CONQURED the previous Inhabitants and absorbed them into their group( sometimes Breaking apart at a later time and becoming Linguistically different)
So THE ORIGINAL Migrants are No longer around- the Native Americans the Spanish and Europeans encountered DID THE SAME THING TO THEM THAT HAD BEEN DONE BY PREVIOUS NATIVE AMERICAN GROUPS TO EARLIER NATIVES !
Therefore - YOU need to re-read not only History, but take some courses on Linguistics, Anthropology,Geology,etc before you continue the Idiotic Argument of " you stole the Land we Stole from other Indians" that is a popular MISCONCEPTION.

As to the Argument that Spanish is needed to be Learned, along with English- It is a possibility that is Correct- but the Need for a PRIMARY, Common Language that EVERYONE speaks is Tantamount to retaining a Cohesive Country- Spanish, Franch , or anyother Language as a secong one should be encouraged and accepted
In Europe, Asia and, Latin America, Africa - People have a DESIRE to learn English- because it is the Most Needed for either Immigration Here, OR for International Business
Likewise- I have been picking up Spanish for several Years now( it Differs here ) as a 5th Language-
Lastly- for when you Use a Racist Insult with someone in the Future- I would like to let you know you Misspelled a Tex-Mex Derogatory term "Wado"- it is spelled correctly- " W-E-D-O"

and you cna only "Yell" in English when you post too !!!!...

Let's make "freedom of speech"! Btw, please visit http://engrammar.com/

Da, Amerikanski Za Stalina Komerade !!LOL

tsalagi ahani udalulv nihi...

The first "Americans"... Didn't speak english until the euro's came...

The Cherokee were not the First Group here as Previously posted- they meerly Surplanted and Killed the Previous Migrants , who in turn did it to Previous Migrants etc. LONG before the Europeans Arrived- The Cherokee Language was NOT the First language of the Peoples who had the Claim to " owning the Land"- they took it too, through similiar means.The First "Americans" were Killed off in successive waves of Bering Straight Migrations over tens of thousands of Years ago- Native vs.Native .The Last Conquerers in successive Waves of Conquest/Supplantation did the same thing - they only Lost to the Europeans-so your Claim is Empty- The Cherokee Language is not the Language of the first"Americans" - it would be closer to Lapp - this is evidenced - Linguistically, Eenetically, Anthropologically,Geographical ly and Archaeologically- and Proves my point- it disproves yours CherokeeTribe- so get a FACTUALLY correct argument- not a tired Misnomer for a change

Learn to speak it yourself, and then...then perhaps you can find yourself worthy to judge others. Moron.

Considering English Is not My Native Language- I speak it quite well( among several other Languages)- I still Misspell it at times though.
That does not exclude the Fact that 1- I doubt you could do as well In ANY other Language and 2- Your reply did not make ANY valid Point. other than to use an Inflective in an insult, can you Refute anything I last Poste? NO ! In summation- theterm "Moron" is Most aptly applied to You "Katie".

I must say that i totally agree, Wendy is right, and so is this person. I was born here i now speak three languages and i believe that that is a choice not an obligation!!
I have seen so many job postings that require that you speak spanish.. this is America!! Get over yourselfs and learn the language of America!! These people chose to come here, i'm not going to travel the world and then expecet them to occomidate me.. after all it was my choice and right to travel wasn't it?
So take pride in being who you are, an American! And learn English.. no other language is so widley used in this world, even when i have traveld to Jordan english was used..!! this makes no sense... and we do need to do something about it!!

Texas Tornado wrote:

I think you are all jumping on Wendy when in a lot of ways she's right. I've seen many job postings where the requirements mention you must speak spanish. I don't think that's right. If I choose to learn a new language to better myself then great, but it should not be a requirement to work in the United States. There are Russians, Chinese, Koreans, French, just to name a few who live in this country too. Do we need to learn these languages as well? If I was Russian and told I needed to speak Spanish to get a job I would be upset, when after all, I came to the United States - not Mexico. Why not make everyone learn Russian to accomodate me, and so on. If you are going to move to a new country then you should learn that language. I doubt everyone in Mexico is required to speak English just to accomodate any tourist that might come over there or an American who might decide to move there. If you are in this country illegally, then you should have no say. If you want to have a say in the workings of this country, then come here legally, learn the language, pay taxes like the rest of us and become a member of the melting pot. To change our language, give medical care, educate the children, and give all kinds of benefits is only encouraging more illegal immigration. Think I'll move to France and sue that country for discrimination because I speak English and I feel everyone there should too, just to accomodate me!

Ruthie wrote:

i believe that that is a choice not an obligation!!<quoted text>

I begin to agree with you at this point, but then that is where it pretty much stops.

Ruthie wrote:

this is America!! Get over yourselfs and learn the language of America!!
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What happened to it being a choice?

Ruthie wrote:

no other language is so widley used in this world, even when i have traveld to Jordan english was used..!!
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Yes, but the official language is Arabic. They and many other countries have very widely used second languages and they manage to survive.

If immigrants of any nationality choose not to learn English, that's their prerogative. If we choose not to learn Spanish or Vietnamese or Arabic, that's ours. I think that forcing anybody to anything is not a good idea. It just has bad results.

Whatz do yaz thinkinz aboutz Pirate lingo? Do yaz also thinkinz dat Pirates haz ta also adherez to da wayz of da world? Myz ship matez likinz ta write like da Pirate. Me alwayz thought dat America waz a "melting pot" and dat anything waz acceptablez, even different languagez. Haz me boat not sailedz da seaz? Has myz ship matez missed da boat? Twhat really iz da problem wit different languagez and linquistics? Tiz not likez yaz gotz ta live wit dem, sleep wit dem, etc. Yaz justz gotz ta haz an open mind and learn universal sign-language ... similar to da SMILE, HAND SHAKE, and MIDDLE FINGER!!!!!