Don't complain about the economy, if you drive Japanese!

Because you’re part of the problem. Here’s what I mean:

A Friday ago, I was upset with what I saw on TV.

NBC was talking to a jobless couple whose house is in foreclosure. On the driveway was a Nissan. I shouted,“Hey, Guys, a couple in Japan are bowing at you for their Nissan jobs.”

Jobless Americans driving Japanese vehicles....helping put even more Americans out of work! Duh!

Then I see people easing their consciences by putting US flag decals on their prides of Japan. Ugh!

And when I see someone parking one I want to say:“You’re hurting America’s economy.” But I keep my peace.

Instead, I tell myself, THEY JUST DON’T KNOW. The Japanese have been seducing them for years. They give their vehicles American-sounding names. And our media gives them billions in free advertising that they’re supposedly better.* Also, they flood us with seductive ads. So, no wonder people drive Japanese.

*But see March ‘09 J.D. Roberts report: For reliability, Buick is No. 1. And Lincoln & Mercury are in the top 5. Today, the only differences between Japanese and American, are in the minds of persons influenced by media who tout Japanese cars. The media is BIASED and they influence sales. This really costs America's automakers.

Yes, the Japanese do a masterful job of getting our media to promote their vehicles FOR FREE...and at the same time knock American makes. Yep, our own media shoots our economy in the foot!

But to this, Toyota and Honda people say:“Don’t forget, we give America jobs. Our cars are built right here in the US by Americans. This makes them American.”

HOGWASH! BALONEY! NONSENSE!

Fact: MOST Japanese vehicles sold here come by boat from Japan. As to those that are built here, we get about 250,000 jobs. But WHAT A PRICE we pay for them!

And ask this: Irrespective of where this car or truck I’m buying is assembled, or its parts come from, what country gets the profit from it? Fact: every year Japanese mother-corporations in Japan reap billions from vehicle sales in the USA. Yes, almost 1/3 of their income comes from the USA. And these billions benefit people in Japan, NOT us in America!

We’re Japan’s cash cow! This, despite almost 50 million of us with no health care, 37 million of us in poverty, 12 million kids hungry every day, 77,000 bridges close to collapse, highways crumbling, intercity schools deteriorating, and unemployment almost 9% and climbing.

Considering all that, we feed Japan? In return, can we build and sell cars there? No! They won’t buy “nuttin” from us! They’ve even refused to buy our apples. Unlike us, they’re fiercely loyal to their own products. In effect they close their 160-million-person market to us. Yet they FEAST on America. They believe in fair trade everywhere but in Japan.

At least the Germans, who sell cars here, let us build and sell ours in Germany. And the Chinese do too. So do the French, Spanish, Italians, British, and Latin Americans. American cars are built and bought almost everywhere but in Japan. Think about it!

As to jobs the Japanese so “generously” give us: including suppliers, we get about 300,000. Now, it’s estimated, we’ve already lost a million jobs from “FOREIGN-CAR-I-TIS.” And if we keep burying our heads in the sand about this, and our own makers lose more market, estimates say up to 4 or 5 million more of us will lose jobs. And some predict with trickle-down it could be more like 6 million.

So, for 300,000 jobs, we lose 6 million? This is OK? We just turn our cheeks, let this happen?

NO! NO! That’s not the American way! We’re not quitters! We must fight back by supporting our own industry: FEED HANDS THAT FEED US!

DRIVE AMERICAN! Support our own economy, not Japan’s.

P.S. Please help this cause. Use the email link at the top-upper-right to send this message to as many people as possible!

“God bless America, land that I love. STAND beside her....”

Honda, toyota ect.
BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE SAME FINE PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT YOU PEARL HARBOR.

No one seems to care.
While our government (if you can call it that) was busy ripping GM, Chrysler and Ford for being in trouble in a market where you couldn't afford a gallon of gas much less a car and blameing it all on our unions(don't care at all for unions), they actually pointed at Toyota and said we needed to produce cars like them saying Toyota was in great shape unlike US car manufacturers.
I swear it wasn't two weeks later Toyota here in San Antonio closed the plant and still aren't up to speed.
The economy sucks so lets be fair all the markets here in the US are doing poorly but the government touting Japanese makes does no good and should be the last thing our great uniter obama utters from his socialist liberal mouth.
I agree buy American and I don't mean American Toyota, send them back home.

Shadow,

AMEN!

SHADOW wrote:

Honda, toyota ect.
BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE SAME FINE PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT YOU PEARL HARBOR.
No one seems to care.
While our government (if you can call it that) was busy ripping GM, Chrysler and Ford for being in trouble in a market where you couldn't afford a gallon of gas much less a car and blameing it all on our unions(don't care at all for unions), they actually pointed at Toyota and said we needed to produce cars like them saying Toyota was in great shape unlike US car manufacturers.
I swear it wasn't two weeks later Toyota here in San Antonio closed the plant and still aren't up to speed.
The economy sucks so lets be fair all the markets here in the US are doing poorly but the government touting Japanese makes does no good and should be the last thing our great uniter obama utters from his socialist liberal mouth.
I agree buy American and I don't mean American Toyota, send them back home.

I agree 100%.

SHADOW wrote:

Honda, toyota ect.
BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE SAME FINE PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT YOU PEARL HARBOR.
No one seems to care.
While our government (if you can call it that) was busy ripping GM, Chrysler and Ford for being in trouble in a market where you couldn't afford a gallon of gas much less a car and blameing it all on our unions(don't care at all for unions), they actually pointed at Toyota and said we needed to produce cars like them saying Toyota was in great shape unlike US car manufacturers.
I swear it wasn't two weeks later Toyota here in San Antonio closed the plant and still aren't up to speed.
The economy sucks so lets be fair all the markets here in the US are doing poorly but the government touting Japanese makes does no good and should be the last thing our great uniter obama utters from his socialist liberal mouth.
I agree buy American and I don't mean American Toyota, send them back home.

AAAHHHHHHHH , At last , you found a page that you can agree with and talk crap about our President !

Please stay here and rave and rant with all these ugly LOSERS . Oh , and you better watch out because that p.c. that you're typing on might be made in Japan and China and some parts in Mexico ! Check it out and if it is , you need to buy American made ! After all , we don't want to buy foreign made products !!!!!

YOYOMEO,

Your name says it all. We know which side of the fence you're on.

iluvAmerica wrote:

YOYOMEO,
Your name says it all. We know which side of the fence you're on.

The outside of course , I don't want to be hemmed in with the likes of you , that's for sure !

YOYOMEO wrote:

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The outside of course , I don't want to be hemmed in with the likes of you , that's for sure !

So, what you saying? You don't want to be "hemmed in" with patriotic, hard-working Americans who believe we should drive American and put our country's economy ahead of Japan's?

Tell me, did you read the OP? Do you think Japan puts Japan first, or the United States. Does Japan think it is important to protect and preserve the Japanese economy?

Of course, you know the answers. But you are fine being hemmed in with the likes of them huh? If Japan does it, and screws over the US, it's fair. If someone suggests that the US do the same, and put the US economy first, oh my gosh! They are awful people.

Whatever.

First off, let get this out of the way, you’re a moron.

Secondly you need to read some economics books. Isolationism is one of the things that kept us in the great depression. Its once of those things that may sound good, but always end badly.
You seam to believe that importing goods is bad for our economy. It shouldn’t talk you long when you actually pick up a book and read it, how this is a bunch of crap. How about starting with sowells book a citizen’s guide to the economy.

Lastly, I am a capitalist; I buy the best product at the best price using my own judgment. There is nothing more American than that. It has been my experience that Toyota and Honda consistently have made a far superior vehicle. The last good thing to come out of American manufactures was a 1972 chevy ¾ ton. After that, pretty much crap. I don’t care what consumer reports says.

Before you start bellowing that I have been brain washed by some media conspiracy to buy Japanese I have worked on cars for decades, im a gear head, I love cars and motorcycle (ya, I ride a Harley, a bike that has tons of Japanese parts on it) what I buy, is based on MY life and experience. I don’t give a rats ass what the tv says

If American car companies want to do well, they need to get rid of the socialist ideas in our government, completely change their business model, and start acting like a capitalist. We are beating ourselves, no from importing, but from regulations, unions, environmentalists, and loads of other bullshit. We need to get back to basics and start respecting good business instead of vilifying it.

Cigar Dave,

Japan Airlines is ready when you are.

YOYOMEO wrote:

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Oh , and you better watch out because that p.c. that you're typing on might be made in Japan and China and some parts in Mexico !

It just can't be so yoyo, my computer is typing in English not spanish.
Go away you socialist democrat.
Don't talk bad about America if you feel that way go join them.

iluvAmerica wrote:

Cigar Dave,
Japan Airlines is ready when you are.

ya? and china airlines are ready when you are comrade.
im standing up for american ideals, you are being anti-american.

Moxie123 wrote:

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So, what you saying? You don't want to be "hemmed in" with patriotic, hard-working Americans who believe we should drive American and put our country's economy ahead of Japan's?
Tell me, did you read the OP? Do you think Japan puts Japan first, or the United States. Does Japan think it is important to protect and preserve the Japanese economy?
Of course, you know the answers. But you are fine being hemmed in with the likes of them huh? If Japan does it, and screws over the US, it's fair. If someone suggests that the US do the same, and put the US economy first, oh my gosh! They are awful people.
Whatever.

All I'm saying is , I don't want to be hemmed in with PESSIMISTIC people like you . I believe the U.S. economy is the first thing in every American's mind , and that includes me since I'm a U.S.citizen too . I'm also an OPTIMIST and I believe that our President , if given a chance , will turn this thing around for the betterment of the U.S.!
I also believe that if I go to the store and there are a dozen eggs from Japan at $0.50 and a dozen eggs from the U.S. at $0.75 , I'm going to buy the cheaper product ! Now, lets say that they're both the same price , I would buy the ones from the U.S.!
You may not want to believe this , but every nation's economy involves the U.S.economy also because of the outsourcing of U.S. companies and jobs , the Japanese depend on America and America depends on Japan , everybody goes hand in hand .

The way I see it , YOYOMEO needs good products that will serve my needs no matter where they're from as long as they're reasonably priced and dependable , that all......

YOYOMEO, you say America depends on Japan? When they won't even buy apples from us, much less let us build and sell cars there?

They're square shooters? They play fair?

Come on, now.

cigar dave wrote:

First off, let get this out of the way, you’re a moron.
Secondly you need to read some economics books. Isolationism is one of the things that kept us in the great depression. Its once of those things that may sound good, but always end badly.
You seam to believe that importing goods is bad for our economy. It shouldn’t talk you long when you actually pick up a book and read it, how this is a bunch of crap. How about starting with sowells book a citizen’s guide to the economy.
Lastly, I am a capitalist; I buy the best product at the best price using my own judgment. There is nothing more American than that. It has been my experience that Toyota and Honda consistently have made a far superior vehicle. The last good thing to come out of American manufactures was a 1972 chevy ¾ ton. After that, pretty much crap. I don’t care what consumer reports says.
Before you start bellowing that I have been brain washed by some media conspiracy to buy Japanese I have worked on cars for decades, im a gear head, I love cars and motorcycle (ya, I ride a Harley, a bike that has tons of Japanese parts on it) what I buy, is based on MY life and experience. I don’t give a rats ass what the tv says
If American car companies want to do well, they need to get rid of the socialist ideas in our government, completely change their business model, and start acting like a capitalist. We are beating ourselves, no from importing, but from regulations, unions, environmentalists, and loads of other bullshit. We need to get back to basics and start respecting good business instead of vilifying it.

I guess this is the first time that I agree with you "cigar dave" on everything that you typed , except the moron part .
Another thing that I don't agree on is the idea of you thinking that our government is "socialistic" , no , our gov. is guilty of trying to help out GREED , which has corrupted every aspect of the business world , including Wallstreet.

cigar dave wrote:

First off, let get this out of the way, you’re a moron.
Secondly you need to read some

I am an American "moron". And you are a Japanese Public Relations Troll.

not so fast:

"GM produces nine of its other current car and truck models in Canada or Mexico. Ford produces three models in Canada, and DaimlerChrysler produces at least five models in just Mexico and Canada.

On the other hand, the U. S. is now home to nine foreign-owned auto companies (Honda, Isuzu, BMW, Mercedes, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Subaru, and Toyota) that build three million cars per year in this country. The international auto makers will manufacture 26 different 1998 car models here, and eight of those models are built by workers who are members of the United Auto Workers union.

The transplants are not just assembling cars here with foreign parts. The domestic content of the vehicles built here by foreign car companies is now 69 percent, only slightly less than the 78 percent domestic content of cars built in the U. S.by the Big Three.

Joint ventures between the Big Three and international auto makers to build cars in the U. S. are now commonplace: GM and Toyota are partners, as are Ford and Mazda. Before its merger with Daimler-Benz, Chrysler teamed up with Mitsubishi. A dozen domestic and international manufacturers now build 12 millions cars annually in the U. S., indicating that we are becoming the strategic manufacturing center for a global automotive industry.

In this global car market, it is getting harder and harder to tell the difference between an "American car" and a "foreign car." Is a Cadillac Catera built in Germany foreign or American? What about the Toyota Corolla built in California by UAW workers? What about the vehicles that will now be produced by DaimlerChrysler? What about Jaguars built in England as a division of Ford Motor Company?GM also produces nine of its other current car and truck models in Canada or Mexico. Ford produces three models in Canada, and DaimlerChrysler produces at least five models in just Mexico and Canada.

On the other hand, the U. S. is now home to nine foreign-owned auto companies (Honda, Isuzu, BMW, Mercedes, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Subaru, and Toyota) that build three million cars per year in this country. The international auto makers will manufacture 26 different 1998 car models here, and eight of those models are built by workers who are members of the United Auto Workers union.

The transplants are not just assembling cars here with foreign parts. The domestic content of the vehicles built here by foreign car companies is now 69 percent, only slightly less than the 78 percent domestic content of cars built in the U. S.by the Big Three.

Joint ventures between the Big Three and international auto makers to build cars in the U. S. are now commonplace: GM and Toyota are partners, as are Ford and Mazda. Before its merger with Daimler-Benz, Chrysler teamed up with Mitsubishi. A dozen domestic and international manufacturers now build 12 millions cars annually in the U. S., indicating that we are becoming the strategic manufacturing center for a global automotive industry.

In this global car market, it is getting harder and harder to tell the difference between an "American car" and a "foreign car." Is a Cadillac Catera built in Germany foreign or American? What about the Toyota Corolla built in California by UAW workers? What about the vehicles that will now be produced by DaimlerChrysler? What about Jaguars built in England as a division of Ford Motor Company?"

My new Mazda was made in Michigan. Bet your 'American' car was not.

iluvAmerica wrote:

YOYOMEO, you say America depends on Japan? When they won't even buy apples from us, much less let us build and sell cars there?
They're square shooters? They play fair?
Come on, now.

Economic Relations
U.S. economic policy toward Japan is aimed at increasing access to Japan's markets and two-way investment, stimulating domestic demand-led economic growth, promoting economic restructuring, improving the climate for U.S. investors, and raising the standard of living in both the United States and Japan. The U.S.-Japan bilateral economic relationship--based on enormous flows of trade, investment, and finance--is strong, mature, and increasingly interdependent. Further, it is firmly rooted in the shared interest and responsibility of the United States and Japan to promote global growth, open markets, and a vital world trading system. In addition to bilateral economic ties, the U.S. and Japan cooperate closely in multilateral fora such as the WTO, Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the World Bank, and the International Monetary Fund, and regionally in the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum (APEC).

Japan is a major market for many U.S. products, including chemicals, pharmaceuticals, films and music, commercial aircraft, nonferrous metals, plastics, and medical and scientific supplies. Japan also is the largest foreign market for U.S. agricultural products, with total agricultural exports valued at $9.7 billion, excluding forestry products. Revenues from Japanese tourism to the United States reached nearly $13 billion in 2005.

Trade between the United States and Japan remained strong in 2006. Total trade grew about 7.3% year-on-year. U.S. exports to Japan reached $59.6 billion in 2006, up from $55.4 billion in 2005. U.S. imports from Japan totaled $148.1 billion in 2006 ($138.1 billion in 2005).

U.S. foreign direct investment in Japan reached $78 billion in 2004, up from $73 billion in 2003. New U.S. investment was especially significant in financial services, Internet services, and software, generating new export opportunities for U.S. firms and employment for U.S. workers.

Japan is essential to our economy and vise-versa ...

shabango wrote:

not so fast:
"GM produces nine of its other current car and truck models in Canada or Mexico. Ford produces three models in Canada, and DaimlerChrysler produces at least five models in just Mexico and Canada.
On the other hand, the U. S. is now home to nine foreign-owned auto companies (Honda, Isuzu, BMW, Mercedes, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Subaru, and Toyota) that build three million cars per year in this country. The international auto makers will manufacture 26 different 1998 car models here, and eight of those models are built by workers who are members of the United Auto Workers union.
The transplants are not just assembling cars here with foreign parts. The domestic content of the vehicles built here by foreign car companies is now 69 percent, only slightly less than the 78 percent domestic content of cars built in the U. S.by the Big Three.
Joint ventures between the Big Three and international auto makers to build cars in the U. S. are now commonplace: GM and Toyota are partners, as are Ford and Mazda. Before its merger with Daimler-Benz, Chrysler teamed up with Mitsubishi. A dozen domestic and international manufacturers now build 12 millions cars annually in the U. S., indicating that we are becoming the strategic manufacturing center for a global automotive industry.
In this global car market, it is getting harder and harder to tell the difference between an "American car" and a "foreign car." Is a Cadillac Catera built in Germany foreign or American? What about the Toyota Corolla built in California by UAW workers? What about the vehicles that will now be produced by DaimlerChrysler? What about Jaguars built in England as a division of Ford Motor Company?GM also produces nine of its other current car and truck models in Canada or Mexico. Ford produces three models in Canada, and DaimlerChrysler produces at least five models in just Mexico and Canada.
On the other hand, the U. S. is now home to nine foreign-owned auto companies (Honda, Isuzu, BMW, Mercedes, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Subaru, and Toyota) that build three million cars per year in this country. The international auto makers will manufacture 26 different 1998 car models here, and eight of those models are built by workers who are members of the United Auto Workers union.
The transplants are not just assembling cars here with foreign parts. The domestic content of the vehicles built here by foreign car companies is now 69 percent, only slightly less than the 78 percent domestic content of cars built in the U. S.by the Big Three.
Joint ventures between the Big Three and international auto makers to build cars in the U. S. are now commonplace: GM and Toyota are partners, as are Ford and Mazda. Before its merger with Daimler-Benz, Chrysler teamed up with Mitsubishi. A dozen domestic and international manufacturers now build 12 millions cars annually in the U. S., indicating that we are becoming the strategic manufacturing center for a global automotive industry.
In this global car market, it is getting harder and harder to tell the difference between an "American car" and a "foreign car." Is a Cadillac Catera built in Germany foreign or American? What about the Toyota Corolla built in California by UAW workers? What about the vehicles that will now be produced by DaimlerChrysler? What about Jaguars built in England as a division of Ford Motor Company?"
My new Mazda was made in Michigan. Bet your 'American' car was not.

You just gotta love that spam even if it is not factual.

i am a Japanese Public Relations Troll? nope, don’t think so. i really don’t care where my Toyota comes from. if they were made in Germany, Canada, Mexico or even the usa, i would love and buy the car. i don’t care where ANY of my products come from. i buy based on price and quality, period.

that said i do wish the usa would produce and manufacture more things, here, in the usa. however i completely understand why many business dont. would you? i wouldn’t, not in this atmosphere. the business owners and wealth are under attack. the left wingers are on full offensive, using the same old communist emotional bullcrap.. greed! and class warfare. if you would like to talk more about this, we can start another post.

now with the government taking over the automotive industry, read that as nationalizing it soon. the banks...on and on. anyone with a brain, and a knowledge of history knows where we are going. socialism, soft tyranny. then to a full blown hard tyranny.

take a second and ask yourself to define what American means to you. what has made us great, what is it that has made us different that anyone in the history of man. what are the core principles? spend to time, look into it. then look what is going on around you, not just what you are told is going on...look yourself.

By the way, my offer for meeting over coffee is still open to anyone.

and, i souldnt have called him a moron. i am sorry about that. this boad seems to bring out a rude side of me i didnt know was there.