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Serres Makethonia
Box Hill, Australia
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Informed Reader wrote: <quoted text>
All this historic FACT, and yet they exist across your northern border. Even the Greeks accept that there is a Republic of Macedonia. They quantify it with Former Yugoslav, but they admit it exists. This is the here and now, the present, today. However you word it you cannot deny it. Call them Slavo-Macedonians if you wish, call them whatever, but acknowledge that they are Macedonians as you have done since they declared independance.
Once you grudgingly admit that those ELECTED by you to speak on your behalf aceept a type of Macedonian that isn't Greek and then you cannot deny them equal claim to the history of Macedonia. You can deny sole claim, but not joint claim.
Otherwise you appear to the world both petulant and contradictory, something that the average modern Greek certainly isn't. Finaly a voice of reason. I agree that after 1500 years you have every right to call youreself Slav Macedonians. My argument has always been what the ancient Macedonians were (Greek). The ancient Macedonians spoke Greek. It is a blayent lie to call your language Macedonians when it is clearly a Slav related language. Greece has already stated that they are willng to accept a geographic quolifier to the term Macedonia. They have also stated that they will accept the language as Slav Macedonian and the ethnicity as Slav Macedonian. However it is your people who claim to be decendents of the ancient Macedonians and that you will only accept MACEDONIA. It is good to see that there are people of reason in FYR Macedonia. Pozdrav Serres Makethonia
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GREKO TURKO
Wyong, Australia
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Nick the Greek wrote: http://unews.utah.edu/p/?r=102 609-1
To FYRoM's Rogue Scholars and Pseudo Historians.
Say Something Silly....
Print Something Stupid.....
Misinterpret the True Meaning of Something....
Corrupt the True Meaning of Something.....
Distort the True Meaning of Something.....
Pervert the True Meaning of Something.....
Well....You will Go Down....Plain and Simple!
Say No More! YOU JUST DESCRIBED THE FOUNDATION POLICY OF THE GREEK STATE CRATED IN 1832 HAHAHAHAHA
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GREKO TURKO
Wyong, Australia
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Dimitri from Athens wrote: <quoted text> As an answer to university's statement I may post Prof. Mary Lefkowich comment taken from the article above. <<As Pr. Mary Lefkowich points out the teachers of course need to have freedom to experiment and to test new theories and interpretations. But academic freedom does not give us the right to rewrite history without reference to the known facts—even if by doing so we imagine that we can bring about social improvement. The scientists among us, for example, do not have license to falsify data to achieve desired results. If a scientist in the "hard" sciences does so, he or she is disciplined and even dismissed. It is often more difficult to distinguish between false and true in the writing of history, but it is still usually possible to establish at least the broad outlines, and to give a clear account of the available evidence. Historians do not have the right to invent their own narratives or to misuse evidence>>. Regarding Greco-Macedonians or Slavo-Macedonians. These terms are of no use. The FYROM authoritites do not accept other identification apart from that of a "Macedonian" and of course those of us who live in the area cannot accept any other term than Macedonians. After all Macedonians were (and are) always Greek. Those who are not Greek cannot be Macedonians. DIMITRI YOU FORGET YOUR TURKISH ALBANIAN YOU IDIOT
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GREKO TURKO
Wyong, Australia
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Serres Makethonia wrote: <quoted text>
Finaly a voice of reason. I agree that after 1500 years you have every right to call youreself Slav Macedonians. My argument has always been what the ancient Macedonians were (Greek). The ancient Macedonians spoke Greek. It is a blayent lie to call your language Macedonians when it is clearly a Slav related language.
Greece has already stated that they are willng to accept a geographic quolifier to the term Macedonia. They have also stated that they will accept the language as Slav Macedonian and the ethnicity as Slav Macedonian. However it is your people who claim to be decendents of the ancient Macedonians and that you will only accept MACEDONIA.
It is good to see that there are people of reason in FYR Macedonia.
Pozdrav Serres Makethonia ONE WORD IGENEA DICK HEAD DNA DOESNT LIE POLITICIANS DO
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GREKO TURKO
Wyong, Australia
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United Macedonians wrote: <quoted text>
To be honest you make a bit of sense and indeed the programme seems more or less within the bounds of what would be acceptable. However, the use of the name "Macedonia" (as opposed to Slav-Macedonian or FYROM or similar) in relation to the conference is something the university should have conditioned, because it is clearly not about Macedonia but about FYROM.
The UN also espouses freedom of speech and has opted to use the name FYROM. Why not the university of Utah?
Indirectly, by having a Macedonian, rather than a FYROMian, conference, the rights of Greeks are violated. LISTEN YOU GREEKS TELL ME ARE YOU GREEKS OR MACEDONIANS YOU CANT BE BOTH, IF YOU LOVE THE MACEDONIAN IDENTITY THEN JUST CALL YOUSELVES MACEDONIANS, OR WITH A GEOGRAPHICAL QAULIFIER, SOUTHERN MACEDONIA, THE REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA WILL FOREVER BE MACEDONIAN YOU FREAKS ARE KIDDING YOURSELVES, OVER 126 NATIONS AGREE, WE WILL SURVIVE FOREVER AND BE GREECES THORN IN THE BACK FOREVER, CAO GREKO TURKOS
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Nazi spore crusher
Satellite Provider
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GREKO TURKO wrote: <quoted text>LISTEN YOU GREEKS TELL ME ARE YOU GREEKS OR MACEDONIANS YOU CANT BE BOTH, IF YOU LOVE THE MACEDONIAN IDENTITY THEN JUST CALL YOUSELVES MACEDONIANS, OR WITH A GEOGRAPHICAL QAULIFIER, SOUTHERN MACEDONIA, THE REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA WILL FOREVER BE MACEDONIAN YOU FREAKS ARE KIDDING YOURSELVES, OVER 126 NATIONS AGREE, WE WILL SURVIVE FOREVER AND BE GREECES THORN IN THE BACK FOREVER, CAO GREKO TURKOS never was never will, face reality, your new countrys name is FYROM. Before you were just bulgars.
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Serres Makethonia
Sydney, Australia
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GREKO TURKO wrote: <quoted text>LISTEN YOU GREEKS TELL ME ARE YOU GREEKS OR MACEDONIANS YOU CANT BE BOTH, IF YOU LOVE THE MACEDONIAN IDENTITY THEN JUST CALL YOUSELVES MACEDONIANS, OR WITH A GEOGRAPHICAL QAULIFIER, SOUTHERN MACEDONIA, THE REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA WILL FOREVER BE MACEDONIAN YOU FREAKS ARE KIDDING YOURSELVES, OVER 126 NATIONS AGREE, WE WILL SURVIVE FOREVER AND BE GREECES THORN IN THE BACK FOREVER, CAO GREKO TURKOS IDIOT do you know History of the Hellenes? The Greek states (Kingdoms) consisted of Sparta, Epiros, Peloponese, Macedonia, Cfrete etc All Greek speaking. Alexander the 3rd united all the Greeks into one! In 1821 Greece was formed as Alexander left it all the Greek states UNITED into one country!] RUZBIRUSH Mule? Pozdrav Serres Makethonia not Makedinija!
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Dimitri from Athens
Athens, Greece
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GREKO TURKO wrote: <quoted text>DIMITRI YOU FORGET YOUR TURKISH ALBANIAN YOU IDIOT Dont judje from your misserable reality
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Skopidia
East Hills, Australia
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Informed Reader wrote: <quoted text>
And perhaps you can explain how scientists recently found evidence of a small town in Alexandria that pre-dates Alexanders "founding" of the city?
To use other Greek claims, Greek and Macedonian Orthadox is the same thing because to be Macedonian IS to be Greek! Or can the argument only be used by Greeks? No doubt there were inhabitants prior to Alexander's conquest. The remnants of his conquest who identify themselves in today's world as Greek-Egyptians, not as Macedonian-Egyptians. Your 2nd comment is correct, this is why you need to re-brand yourselves with another identity, to differentiate between a recognised church and a psudo-orthodox church that has only been in existance from the 1960's under that name.
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Serres Makethonia
Sydney, Australia
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GREKO TURKO wrote: <quoted text>ONE WORD IGENEA DICK HEAD DNA DOESNT LIE POLITICIANS DO Are you realy that F@CKEN STUPID? Ask yourself were did IGENEA get ancient Macedonian DNA from? Where did they find all these ancient Macedonians to compare their DNA with yours? Pleaswe STOP you are making a FOOL of yourself! POZDRAV Serres Makethonia not Makedonija.
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