Lakewood Volunteer Fire Department

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Uneeda, WV

#1 Mar 27, 2012
According to Wikipedia, Upper Falls is the largest CDP in the state of West Virginia.

Kanawha County is the most populous county in the state of West Virginia.

The Charleston, West Virginia metropolitan area is the largest metropolitan area in the state of West Virginia.

There are only two fire departments that primarily serve Upper Falls. They are Lakewood Volunteer Fire Department and Tornado Volunteer Fire Department. Neither has been able to secure a single federal grant since the Assistance to Firefighters Grant Program was created!

Meanwhile, West Side Volunteer Firefighters is among 235 different fire departments across the state that have received federal grant awards from FEMA since 2001. So, why don't these losing departments do something different?

It may make sense to merge the Lakewood and Tornado fire departments. The stations could continue to operate autonomously. The combined department would only consolidate the functions that make sense.

Members would combine their grant-writing capabilities and capture the kind of funding that a CDP with the characteristics of Upper Falls can now deliver. Instead of operating two tiny fire departments that fracture the ability of each other to get funding, why not become a single Upper Falls Volunteer Fire Department, serving the largest census designated place in the entire state of West Virginia?
FF09

Charleston, WV

#2 Mar 27, 2012
Well Lakewood should be better off now that they receive assistance from SAFD, in my opinion Lakewood has some of the nicest equipment around our area. Money doesn't seem to be so highly demanded that you would need to combine two stations.
FF09

Charleston, WV

#3 Mar 27, 2012
And correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't the funding that both stations already receive for normal operating costs then be made one for the combined station? If so would this be too much of a loss for the grant money to even make a difference?
Drante

Huntington, WV

#4 Mar 27, 2012
The talks are in the works for SCfire dept and SA and Nitro converting to all volunteer stations. I believe that when this happens, alot of the VFF will go to these stations.There will be more funding for all of them at that time.
everett

Uneeda, WV

#5 Mar 27, 2012
The Tornado Volunteer Fire Department needs Lakewood Volunteer Fire Department, but not the other way around. The Tornado Volunteer Fire Department is just kind of pathetic. It's the one that desperately needs more money. If a combined effort could bring better management to the Tornado Volunteer Fire Department, it would certainly benefit from that. And, there should be some operating efficiencies to be had from combining the two. So, it shouldn't be a zero-sum game. Both stations would actually benefit. It would just be very one-sided. Incredibly, the management of the Tornado Volunteer Fire Department doesn't even see the benefit of serving the largest CDP in the state, or taking advantage of it to get better funding! Like I said, they're just kind of pathetic.
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FF09

United States

#9 Mar 28, 2012
Kind of off topic but everyone always says volunteers are pathetic, undertrained and wanna be's . Well at Tornado I know for a fact that one of our officers is the Chief of the County Parks Police, another is a currently employed Nitro firefighter, another is former 5 year Charleston firemen, another is a current member of the paid on call at SAFD. Our Chief and Assistant Chief have a training file you could compare to any Veteran career firefighter. My point being before you call a department pathetic know a little bit, while we may be financially pathetic that does not reflect on how we serve our community. Compared to other stations around besides West Side which we are about even with, we will have a truck in route and on scene quicker. Been on several fires and vehicle accidents in our mutual aid areas that we will get apparatus on scene first.
Dreamer

Charleston, WV

#10 Mar 28, 2012
I agree that a combined department would be in a much better position to get funding than the two separate departments are now. I also agree that the benefits from combining them would be very one-sided. But, isn't the objective to provide the best possible emergency services for everyone?
FF09

New York, NY

#11 Mar 28, 2012
I agree. But why do they need to combine to receive this funding , I mean why doesn't the state see the things that everyone else seems to and make the adjustments needed. I don't think it's so much the departments fault much as it is the states.
Former Fire Fighter

Charleston, WV

#12 Mar 28, 2012
What does it take to become a volunteer in Tornado? I have Firemanship 1, 2 and 3. I've completed over 120 hours of extra training that includes forestry, CPR Instructor and EMT. I have only recently moved here and would like to lend a hand.
FF09

New York, NY

#13 Mar 28, 2012
Well if your being serious, sounds like you have a good start. Our drills are Monday nights at 630 come on out we will be glad to have you.
Eric

Charleston, WV

#14 Mar 28, 2012
FF09 wrote:
I agree. But why do they need to combine to receive this funding , I mean why doesn't the state see the things that everyone else seems to and make the adjustments needed. I don't think it's so much the departments fault much as it is the states.
You have to face life as it is, not how you want it to be. Wishing and hoping that the legislature makes changes doesn't accomplish anything. Being agile and adapting to reality is what's necessary to be successful in anything.

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everett

Charleston, WV

#15 Mar 28, 2012
FF09 wrote:
Kind of off topic but everyone always says volunteers are pathetic, undertrained and wanna be's . Well at Tornado I know for a fact that one of our officers is the Chief of the County Parks Police, another is a currently employed Nitro firefighter, another is former 5 year Charleston firemen, another is a current member of the paid on call at SAFD. Our Chief and Assistant Chief have a training file you could compare to any Veteran career firefighter. My point being before you call a department pathetic know a little bit, while we may be financially pathetic that does not reflect on how we serve our community. Compared to other stations around besides West Side which we are about even with, we will have a truck in route and on scene quicker. Been on several fires and vehicle accidents in our mutual aid areas that we will get apparatus on scene first.
Don't include me with the trolls who bash volunteer firefighters. You're confusing competence with credentials. I encounter credentialed people all the time who are incompetent. I don't disagree that the leadership of the Tornado Volunteer Fire Department has impressive credentials. But, they're incompetent leaders. They are extremely reactive. They lack vision. Anyone who can't envision an organization they lead as improving, will get an organization that never improves. That's the situation with the leadership of the Tornado Volunteer Fire Department. Combining it with the Lakewood Volunteer Fire Department would be the best thing that could happen for all the residents of Upper Falls, especially the ones on the west side of Coal River.

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FF09

Astoria, NY

#17 Mar 28, 2012
Lol yeah Pro Firemen. You all work 24 on 48 off. And I've worked shifts at SAFD, it's no harder than a day sitting at Tornado VFD. Same shit at both places. Youll always have that anywhere you go. Besides maybe Charleston an SC the VFD's around here run just as many calls, those guys can do it out of shape and with another full time job on top of it. You can't bullshit some one who is both a paid firemen and a volunteer go somewhere with that bs. We do it to serve a community that doesnt have a paid department. And you think that makes the less equal. Ive seen volunteers with twice the knowledge of a paid firemen. Hell you can get hired on a paid station without a single bit of fire training.
everett

Charleston, WV

#18 Mar 28, 2012
Im sure you dont work at the SAFD. Your to dumb to be a paid fireman. Just like all of the Volunteers. Esp. Tornado. There has been nothing come from that place that is smart. Heck everyone from that place has a family tree that looks like a telephone pole. So just keep your wanna be butt there with the other loser volunteers where it should be. Leave the REAL work to us.
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Cross Hairs

Huntington, WV

#21 Mar 28, 2012
You must be one of the volunteers who hangs out around one of our paid firemen stations trying to get in but are just to dumb to pass the test or we use you to cover the unimportant calls while we go on a real call. You have to be a wanna bee by the way you talk. But thats fine. Keep coming by the station because we need a good laugh and you people provide us with all kinds of good jokes. LMAO
Paid Firemen

New York, NY

#22 Mar 29, 2012
From the sound of if FF09 is the only one with any sense if you all are actually career firefighters, I wouldnt want you in my company. You clearly don't understand the reason behind why people join the fire service, it's to help others but you just want to diss volunteers. Get over yourselves. I appreciate the volunteer that comes out for free to help me on a fire I'm getting paid to fight. You all sound like the wanna be's.
everett

Charleston, WV

#23 Mar 29, 2012
I have worked with alot of vols. Everyone of them think they are so good. And everyone of them want to be a paid fireman. But the truth is they dont have what it takes. We have worked with Westside and Tornado and neither one have not even one guy who can do what we do. Sure,they do try very hard. But they always fall short. I dont want to think I have to count on them to watch my back on a house fire. And we all feel the same. Even with the ones who we pay to take calls if were out on a real call. Most of them couldnt carry the equipment we use on a call. SO do you want someone like that working with you? WE DONT.
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Former Fire Fighter

Charleston, WV

#25 Mar 30, 2012
Everett if that's how you really feel, I don't need to volunteer. I do what I do for my fellow man, not for glory or pay. Not every call is 'one for the books' but every call counts. I am to be my brother's keeper. Not his judge and jury. Sounds like too much politics and not enough being their for your neighbor.

And you call my credentials "a good start"? I'd love to know what you call 'qualified'. Sounds to me like someone is full of himself. I don't do ego.
FF09

United States

#26 Mar 30, 2012
Wasn't saying it like that. We get a lot of people join with 0 training and it just takes forever to even get them qualified. I meant it like it would be nice to get someone ready to go, we wouldn't have to pay to have all their training done and then them just quit like most. Sorry for offending you if I did.
FFO9

Charleston, WV

#27 Mar 30, 2012
But the guys at westside seem like they are a little lost on what to do when a big call comes up.

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