Who do you support for U.S. Senate in Kentucky in 2010?

Simpleminds wrote:

<quoted text>Warning: It is very hard for you Repubs to use lies like this. While they may fool the weak minded such as the ones that believe if you lower taxes on the rich it creates jobs, the truth can too easily be found using Google.
Here are the EXACT words from the San Francisco Chronicle’s interview with Obama in 2008 where this lie began with the Repub propaganda machine. No where in the coal plant answer does Obama EVER use the word I. You lying POS Repubs.
Obama's statement came after being asked about NEW EPA rules that were ALREADY coming into effect.( RULES that GHW Bush had signed into law by the way)
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"If someone wants to build a new coal-fired power plant they can, but it will bankrupt them because they will be charged a huge sum for all the greenhouse gas that's being emitted."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/201...
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http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Palin-...
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Read the last sentence.Tell us this is not the same as saying he would Kill Coal!!You know it,we all know it.Now it is happening and our electric bills have already started to jump.And don`t try to tel us that Obama does not controll his own dep`t.Same as health Care.We need no more Obama!!!!

whitehair wrote:

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Read the last sentence.Tell us this is not the same as saying he would Kill Coal!!You know it,we all know it.Now it is happening and our electric bills have already started to jump.And don`t try to tel us that Obama does not controll his own dep`t.Same as health Care.We need no more Obama!!!!

You sorry pos you need no more Government hand outs.

whitehair wrote:

Again, the story is they opt out of SS#.Then go into their private Retirement they have voted for themselves.Tell the whole story..

Sorry, that's simply false.

Benefits Paid to Members of Congress

You may have read that Members of Congress do not pay into Social Security. Well, that's a myth.

Prior to 1984, neither Members of Congress nor any other federal civil service employee paid Social Security taxes. Of course, they were also not eligible to receive Social Security benefits. Members of Congress and other federal employees were instead covered by a separate pension plan called the Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS). The 1983 amendments to the Social Security Act required federal employees first hired after 1983 to participate in Social Security. These amendments also required all Members of Congress to participate in Social Security as of January 1, 1984, regardless of when they first entered Congress. Because the CSRS was not designed to coordinate with Social Security, Congress directed the development of a new retirement plan for federal workers. The result was the Federal Employees' Retirement System Act of 1986.

Members of Congress receive retirement and health benefits under the same plans available to other federal employees. They become vested after five years of full participation.

Members elected since 1984 are covered by the Federal Employees' Retirement System (FERS). Those elected prior to 1984 were covered by the Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS). In 1984 all members were given the option of remaining with CSRS or switching to FERS.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/co...

What ever happened to Bruce Raley? Is he coming back to work in the OC?

yep

Harvey Wallbanger wrote:

Benefits Paid to Members of Congress
You may have read that Members of Congress do not pay into Social Security. Well, that's a myth.
Prior to 1984, neither Members of Congress nor any other federal civil service employee paid Social Security taxes. Of course, they were also not eligible to receive Social Security benefits. Members of Congress and other federal employees were instead covered by a separate pension plan called the Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS). The 1983 amendments to the Social Security Act required federal employees first hired after 1983 to participate in Social Security. These amendments also required all Members of Congress to participate in Social Security as of January 1, 1984, regardless of when they first entered Congress. Because the CSRS was not designed to coordinate with Social Security, Congress directed the development of a new retirement plan for federal workers. The result was the Federal Employees' Retirement System Act of 1986.
Members of Congress receive retirement and health benefits under the same plans available to other federal employees. They become vested after five years of full participation.
Members elected since 1984 are covered by the Federal Employees' Retirement System (FERS). Those elected prior to 1984 were covered by the Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS). In 1984 all members were given the option of remaining with CSRS or switching to FERS.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/co...

All of this is correct.However you have not covered the most important point in this retirement thing.
When the Congress person retires,the money collected and put aside into their PAC`s,that which they have set aside to keep on running for their job,taken from all the special interests and lobbyists and the constituents they could con out of money to do the job they were voted to do,and this often amounts into hundreds of thousands or more,They can take with them.This seems wrong!To me there is sometimes a way to correct a bad situation,and this collection of money is one of them.It begs for a sold vote.Two ways to correct this situation,each State can go for term limits,some already have.Another way is to abolish this collecting money and lobbyists.Special interests giving money should be prosecuted for vote buying.So,sorry to be long in my point,maybe not so clear in writing.,but you get the point?My earlier comment was'The systems are broken"!!!

i post this about a month ago and i see none of the obamaites have disputed it yet, when george w bush had a republican congress and senate the dow was at 14,000, the unemployment rate was 4.3% and the economy was on fire, whats happened since obozo was elected, 12 trillion dollars of debt anf a wreckeced economy, vote republican folks its the only chance you children have left hope and change done went and gone

hollerrat wrote:

i post this about a month ago and i see none of the obamaites have disputed it yet, when george w bush had a republican congress and senate the dow was at 14,000, the unemployment rate was 4.3% and the economy was on fire, whats happened since obozo was elected, 12 trillion dollars of debt anf a wreckeced economy, vote republican folks its the only chance you children have left hope and change done went and gone

the reason no one responded to your comment they don't respond to edits.

No barack

hollerrat wrote:

i post this about a month ago and i see none of the obamaites have disputed it yet, when george w bush had a republican congress and senate the dow was at 14,000, the unemployment rate was 4.3% and the economy was on fire, whats happened since obozo was elected, 12 trillion dollars of debt anf a wreckeced economy, vote republican folks its the only chance you children have left hope and change done went and gone

That is the stupidest crap you have posted so far.

Congratulations!

I used to get into politics until I took an arrow to the knee...

hollerrat wrote:

i post this about a month ago and i see none of the obamaites have disputed it yet, when george w bush had a republican congress and senate the dow was at 14,000, the unemployment rate was 4.3% and the economy was on fire, whats happened since obozo was elected, 12 trillion dollars of debt anf a wreckeced economy, vote republican folks its the only chance you children have left hope and change done went and gone

While this is truth,none will concede and will deny.It is not in them to believe that which is in front of them,if it obfuscates what they have been told and taught.They are incapable of clear eyed observation.

The problem now is that while the DOW is up and moving toward 14,000 again,with the economy the way it is and particularly if Obama should win,this time at 14,000 we should dump to cash,or gold and silver.

hollerrat wrote:
i post this about a month ago and i see none of the obamaites have disputed it yet, when george w bush had a republican congress and senate the dow was at 14,000, the unemployment rate was 4.3% and the economy was on fire, whats happened since obozo was elected, 12 trillion dollars of debt anf a wreckeced economy, vote republican folks its the only chance you children have left hope and change done went and gone

whitehair wrote:

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While this is truth,none will concede and will deny.It is not in them to believe that which is in front of them,if it obfuscates what they have been told and taught.They are incapable of clear eyed observation.

You really think it matters which bought-and-paid-for political party is in power? Wall Street owns both of them. Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Wells Fargo, Bank of America, and Morgan Stanley control assets equal to 60% of the country's GDP. That's where the power lies. What goes on in Washington is simply a sideshow to keep people divided and distracted. The so-called "tea party" is just another example of the sideshow. The real owners of the country are laughing their asses off.

i want the corporations to control the economy they create jobs the gubment only creates more slugs like wtfi went to the welfare office yesterday, not a single person sitting there to get on the dole was hiring anybody

hollerrat wrote:

i want the corporations to control the economy they create jobs the gubment only creates more slugs like wtfi went to the welfare office yesterday, not a single person sitting there to get on the dole was hiring anybody

High already this Morning?

hollerrat wrote:

i post this about a month ago and i see none of the obamaites have disputed it yet, when george w bush had a republican congress and senate the dow was at 14,000, the unemployment rate was 4.3% and the economy was on fire, whats happened since obozo was elected, 12 trillion dollars of debt anf a wreckeced economy, vote republican folks its the only chance you children have left hope and change done went and gone

The economic slide/failure started in '06 under Bush. Remember TARP? That was Bush,too. It had nothing to do with who was elected, in this case Obama. The Great Depression took 15 years to recover from. Who, in their right mind, with more people looking for less jobs this time around, can believe that ANYONE can fix this mess in 2 or more terms, never mind 1. That is naivete of the highest order.

whitehair wrote:

The problem now is that while the DOW is up and moving toward 14,000 again,with the economy the way it is and particularly if Obama should win,this time at 14,000 we should dump to cash,or gold and silver.

You hate that the DOW is up under President Obama?

Harvey Wallbanger wrote:

hollerrat wrote:
i post this about a month ago and i see none of the obamaites have disputed it yet, when george w bush had a republican congress and senate the dow was at 14,000, the unemployment rate was 4.3% and the economy was on fire, whats happened since obozo was elected, 12 trillion dollars of debt anf a wreckeced economy, vote republican folks its the only chance you children have left hope and change done went and gone
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You really think it matters which bought-and-paid-for political party is in power? Wall Street owns both of them. Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Wells Fargo, Bank of America, and Morgan Stanley control assets equal to 60% of the country's GDP. That's where the power lies. What goes on in Washington is simply a sideshow to keep people divided and distracted. The so-called "tea party" is just another example of the sideshow. The real owners of the country are laughing their asses off.

Harvey---This is why so often have written on here and else where that the idea of our politicians and particulerly Conggressional persons have to be removed from the ability of collecting funds from any one or where ever.This leads to the vote having been bought and sold to the one doing the giving.Only when this collecting has been removed,will we get back to a somewhat more honest gov`t.