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Almost 48 hours now since I posted them and still no takers from the dry side on these 2 simple questions. Come on folks, they can't be THAT hard to answer. How about some of the local pastors stepping up and answering them for me. They seem to have all the answers about the alcohol issue.
(1) What are we trying to achieve as a community by being dry?
(2) Are we achieving those goals as a community by being dry?
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I must assume that we have a logical reason for being dry. There MUST be some goals we are trying to achieve with being dry, right? We aren't just giving up all the tax revenue and economic benefits that legal alcohol sales in resturants would bring to our community and our childrens future without a reason are we? I would hope that we aren't just being asked to vote dry because that's the way it's always been in our lifetimes and we're afraid to try something different after a hundred years if we aren't achieving our goals by being dry. So come on people, analyze the questions and answer them HONESTLY to yourselves.
What goals are we trying to achieve for this community by being dry? What end result do we want or expect to come from that? The second question is a simple yes or now answer. After a hundred years of being dry, has this community achieved those goals, or are we achieving them now as a dry community? Has being dry either gotten us to our goals or is it taking us to our goals? Have you see any progress in reaching those goals over YOUR lifetime? These aren't trick questions folks. They are questions that everyone in the county, especially the voters of the 2 precints in question should be asking themselves before they make a decision on how to vote on the moist/dry issue. |
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To all the "NO" voters reading this.
Should everyone assume that these 2 simple questions have you stumped? That you have no idea WHY you are asking everyone to vote dry, other than "because that's the way it's always been around here." Come on people, one more time, (1) What goals are we trying to achieve as a community by being dry? (2) Are we achieving those goals as a community by being dry? Everyone, including all the local pastors who are campaigning so hard on the radio and newspapers to vote dry is cordially invited to answer those questions. |
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Can anyone honestly say that our quality of life has been improved during their lifetime BECAUSE we are dry?
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1 Do we have more jobs or lower unemployment rates because we're dry? Do we have higher median wages and better benefits from the few employers we have because we are dry?(BTW look around at the median wages in all the dry counties within 100 miles of us and compare them to the median wages of all wet or moist counties within 100 miles of us). Do we have fewer people per capita living at or below the poverty line than wet counties do? Do we have fewer people on welfare, per capita, than wet counties do? Do we have fewer people per capita, living in government subsidized housing than wet counties do? Do we have fewer teenage pregnancies per capita than wet counties do? Do we have fewer cases of child abuse and neglect per capita than wet counties do? Do we have fewer DUI arrests per capita than wet counties do? Do we have fewer alcohol related traffic deaths per capita than wet counties do? Do we have fewer alcoholics per capita than wet counties do? Is our divorce rates less per capita than in wet counties? I mean come on people, there's GOT to be some reason that we're dry or being told to vote dry on November 24th. WHAT IS IT??? Just because? Just because the preacher said so? Just because that's the way it's always been around here? Because we're afraid of change? Come on people, someone tell me, WHAT IS IT??? |
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1 Also, I noticed someone made an attempt to use scripture that says Jesus turned the water into wine. He did but also wine back in Bible times wasn't the same as it is today. Read the scriptures & you will see strong drink & wine are mentioned separately. Back then they didn't have a way to keep food & drinks cold. To protect a drink such as grape juice from spoiling alcohol was added to keep it from spoiling however in a very small dose. It was basically grape juice in which by the way has all the health benefits of wine. The root word for wine can actually mean fermented & unfermented ... you have to read in context. |
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1 Actually, you don't "add" alcohol to wine. It occurs naturally during fermentation. However, they do "add" something to the Kool-aid ;) |
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Okay, just to set the record straight AND TO ILLIUSTRATE JUST HOW GROSSLY THE DRY SIDE EXAGGERATES THE FACTS AND FIGURES TO INTENTIONALLY MISLEAD, MISINFORM AND DECIEVE THE PEOPLE I'm going to post some actual crash data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). And I quote the figure you used when speaking of alcohol involved accidents was 95%.....that's right, according to History Teacher in his/her post above, a whopping 95% of all traffic accidents involve alcohol. From the NHTSA crash data……. Year Total Fatalities DUI Fatalities % of Total Fatalities 1998 41,501 12,546 30.2% 1999 41,717 12,555 30.1% 2000 41,945 13,324 31.8% 2001 42,196 13,290 31.5% 2002 43,005 13,472 31.3% 2003 42,884 13,096 30.5% 2004 42,836 13,099 30.6% 2005 43,510 13,582 31.2% 2006 42,708 13,491 31.6% 2007 41,059 12,998 31.7% Source; http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811016.PDF And just so you know, Kentucky actually falls in the "lower third" of the nation in the percentage of DUI deaths, meaning less than 30% of our fatalities are alcohol related. In fact, in 2008 only 24% of our total traffic fatalities were alcohol related. Don’t get me wrong. Even those figures are too high.....but they are a FAR cry from the 95% that “History Teacher” would like to lead us....correction....MISlead us into believing. And I'd be remiss if I didn't mention again for the umpteenth time that studies and statistics show that wet and moist counties have even FEWER DUI crashes and fatalities than dry counties do. History Teacher I’ve just got to ask, WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR HISTORY MAJOR??????? From a Cracker Jack box or what??????? No wonder most of our kids are failing history. And I've got to question if you know the bible any better than you profess to know history??? |
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I hope you don't teach my child history..You must have gone to one of these local colleges to get your history degree. and then again you may be a history teacher like some of these preachers are..8th grade and think you know history!! |
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1 History teacher I hope you don't start teaching science classes because you don't know a thing about the chemical process creating wine. The fermentation reaction process actually uses yeast and carbon dioxide to break down sugars from the grape juice releasing a specified percentage of measurable ethyl alcohol creating wine. Your story of Biblical peoples adding alcohol for grape juice preservation is another fallacy perpetrated by ignorant, uneducated fools. |
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I am sorry that you didn't do well in history. Of course, Pastor Don said was the truth! To prove it; below is an historical account. After you read this, please just check the facts before assuming that someone else is incorrect. Respectfully, Another Soul The Death of President Lincoln, 1865 Printer Friendly Version >>> Lincoln awoke the morning of April 14 in a pleasant mood. Robert E. Lee had surrendered several days before to Ulysses Grant, and now Lincoln was awaiting word from North Carolina on the surrender of Joseph E. Johnston. The morning papers carried the announcement that the president and his wife would be attending the comedy, Our American Cousin, at Ford's Theater that evening with General Grant and his wife. A Life Mask" of Lincoln made shortly after his election in 1860. At 11 that morning, Lincoln held a meeting with Grant and the Cabinet. After the meeting broke up, Grant gave his regrets that he and his wife could no longer attend the play that evening. Secretary of War Edwin Stanton pleaded with the president not to go out at night, fearful that some rebel might try to shoot him in the street. At lunch he told his wife the news about the Grants, and that he was reluctant to go. Pressing him to maintain their announced plans, they asked Major Henry Rathbone and his fiancee, Clara Harris, to join them. After an afternoon carriage ride and dinner, Mary complained of a headache and considered not going after all. Lincoln commented that he was feeling a bit tired himself, but he needed a laugh and was intent on going with or without her. She relented. He made a quick trip to the War Department with his body guard, William Crook, but there was no news from North Carolina. While returning to pick up Mary, Crook "almost begged" Lincoln not to go to the theater. He then asked if he could go along as an extra guard. Lincoln rejected both suggestions, shrugging off Crook's fears of assassination. Lincoln knew that a guard would be posted outside their "state box" at the theater. Arriving after the play had started, the two couples swept up the stairs and into their seats. The box door was closed, but not locked. As the play progressed, police guard John Parker, a notorious drinker, left his post in the hallway leading to the box and went across the street for a drink. During the third act, the President and Mrs. Lincoln drew closer together, holding hands while enjoying the play. Behind them, the door opened and a man stepped into the box. Pointing a derringer at the back of Lincoln's head, he pulled the trigger. Mary reached out to her slumping husband and began shrieking. Now wielding a dagger, the man yelled, "Sic semper tyrannis!" ("Thus always to tyrants"), slashed Rathbone's arm open to the bone, and then leapt from the box. Catching his spur in a flag, he crashed to the stage, breaking his left shin in the fall. Rathbone and Harris both yelled for someone to stop him, but he escaped out the back stage door. An unconscious Lincoln was carried across the street to the Petersen House and into the room of a War Department clerk. The bullet had entered behind the left ear and ripped a path through the left side of his brain, mortally wounding him. He died the next morning. |
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1 I wonder if alcohol should be blamed for the President's death, or perhaps the fact that they only had one person guarding the President and he also happened to be a "notorious drinker." Also, what if John Parker had been a "notorious fatass" and he went to get a sandwich instead of a drink? Does that mean we should not sell food in Jamestown, KY? |
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“2010 HAPPY NEW YEAR!” Since: Jan 09
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i think the real question is, why are we putting so much ephasas upon alcohal as a necessity to grow? is the signal you are putting out one of saying that ONLY with alcohal (a drug) can a community prosper? |
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“2010 HAPPY NEW YEAR!” Since: Jan 09
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and you think by tossing alcohal in the pot it will not make all those things you listed worse.......??? |
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So, Basically, you cannot answer the question. That is what we all thought. |
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“2010 HAPPY NEW YEAR!” Since: Jan 09
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nor can you. promoting a drug as a good and postive thing is what you are doing. and we all know that as well. |
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Answers; (1) "why are we putting so much ephasas upon alcohal as a necessity to grow"? Well, has the past 100 years without legal alcohol sales gotten us to where we want to be economically, socially, morally or religiously? I'm putting emphasis on the economic benefits because they are REAL and tangible and our community and our citizens need them to improve our quality of life in our economically depressed city and county. (2) "is the signal you are putting out one of saying that ONLY with alcohal (a drug) can a community prosper?" No, I don't believe I've said anywhere that legal alcohol sales in resturants is the ONLY way we can prosper as a community. What I HAVE said is that being "dry" for the last 100 years has gotten us absolutely no where and has contributed to our stagnant economy in Russell County. The economic benefits of voting moist are REAL, they're TANGIBLE, they're SUBSTANTIAL and they're WELL DOCUMENTED in other dry communities in Kentucky and other states that have voted moist or wet over the last quarter century. Now that I've answered your 2 simple question, how about answering mine??? |
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NO....I DO NOT think having legal sales in restaurants will make all those things worse. In fact, I think it will make most of them better. It will create more jobs in the community, and over time, it will have a positive impact on the median wage in Russell County, which in turn helps people get off food stamps, government subsidized housing and other forms of government assistance and makes them more productive. Having decent paying jobs gives people HOPE for a better future for themselves and their families. And when people have hope, THEY DRINK LESS! It’s when people don’t have hope and can’t see any light at the end of the tunnel that many of them turn to alcohol to escape the realities of their situation. And statistics show that we can expect to see a DECREASE in the number of alcohol related crashes and fatalities after voting moist because it reduces the number of mile (and thus the exposure) that someone has to drive to order a glass of wine with their dinner. So tell me YELLODOG, how do you foresee legal sales making any of those things worse??? |
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