Ruidoso council rescinds gun ban

Holy crap, TEX, you lost your arguments, you lost respect, it's obvious you've lost your mind. Now if we can just lose you for good...

I agree with an earlier post.
Whats up with Texas open carry.
For the amount of love that Texans have for there state and the pride thay have about there history what happened.

Bad choices in leadership.

Seems to be a virus that has plagued US for years.

Jealousy is a common emotion.

TEX wrote:

Jealousy is a common emotion.

First post of yours I agree with.
But you half to give me cause for jealous behaviour if you want to see it.

TEX wrote:

Jealousy is a common emotion.

I know your response will be (Yawn) either you have a limited vocabulary or your mimicking what you colleagues and wife do when you think have something interesting to say. Must be frustrating for you.

So can we carry or not? and if so where? i'm new to NM and haven't figured out every thing yet.

Carson, your best bet is do searches for NM gun laws and read them yourself. In a nut shell it's easy to say where you can't carry as opposed to where you can. We are an "open carry state" and the rules for open carry as opposed to concealed carry differ a bit.

You can not Open carry:

On private property that's posted as such.

Any courthouse.

Any school.

Any Ferderal building.(including post office's)

Anywhere that serves alcohol.

State Parks.

In your home or private property, you can do as you wish, even conceal carry without a permit. Your car is an extention of your home, you can conceal on your person or whatever in your car but if you get out of it, it better be visable if you don't have a CHL. Glove box, under the seat, all OK too but stupid IMO, too much chance it'll be stolen.

The problem is, some LE and DPS either do not know the laws themselves or intentionally try to twist and warp the laws for whatever reason they may have. I'd suggest jump through their hoops and get your CHL if for no other reason than they'd rather you not. Open carry while legal tends to scare the sheep. The one thing that will make me open carry, is some pinhead like Ruidoso's mayor telling me I can't. Any businesses that post, I won't do business with and will tell them why....O.L.

The problem with getting a concealed carry permit is that when you sing your name on the permit, you are actually converting your "right" into a privilege. The solution to all of this is to get our legislators to pass "Constitutional Carry" which means you can carry open or concealed as you please without any kind of permit or license. As the Constitution of the United States says in the 2nd amendment "shall not be infringed". Any law, requiring a permit or license is null and void of effect according to Article VI, section II.

The Mechanic wrote:

The problem with getting a concealed carry permit is that when you sing your name on the permit, you are actually converting your "right" into a privilege. The solution to all of this is to get our legislators to pass "Constitutional Carry" which means you can carry open or concealed as you please without any kind of permit or license. As the Constitution of the United States says in the 2nd amendment "shall not be infringed". Any law, requiring a permit or license is null and void of effect according to Article VI, section II.

I whole heartedly agree Mechanic, until then...??? Until you get rid of the democratic house and senate we've had for 100 years, ain't going to happen. They really don't want anyone to carry so they make it as difficult as possible. They claim to be for the little guy, what they've done is say only those who can afford it deserves to defend themselves. The single mom they care so much about can't fork over $200-$300 bucks for the class, take 2 days off from work, plus shell out $200-$1000 for a decent SAFE pistol. Guns only have 2 enemies, rust and democrats. They want more victims and those at our lower incomes to be dependant on the state/government in general even for a false utopian vision of safety...O.L.

The Mechanic wrote:

The problem with getting a concealed carry permit is that when you sing your name on the permit, you are actually converting your "right" into a privilege. The solution to all of this is to get our legislators to pass "Constitutional Carry" which means you can carry open or concealed as you please without any kind of permit or license. As the Constitution of the United States says in the 2nd amendment "shall not be infringed". Any law, requiring a permit or license is null and void of effect according to Article VI, section II.

I agree with you. But I think that the class has information and training that not just benefits CC but OC as well. I would like to hear some of your ideas.(THE Mechanic)(oladcock) It wold be nice if those that carry know the legal ramifications.

LS, Did you take or remember driver ed? Most of it is or should be common sense. But we know that's not very common any more. The intricacies of "the laws" was interesting in the dirtbag you had to shoot probably isn't as big a criminal as the lawyers you'll face afterwards!:) Just as fire prevention is the best option, we still have fire depts and extingushers just in case. Staying out of self defense situations is best, the high speed lead dispenser should be a last resort. Even as we should glance to see if someone is running a red light with it green for us, being situationally aware of that shady character hanging around a dark parking lot should cause evasive actions, before the collision occures.

The biggest negative with OC, none of us can defend against a sucker punch. Being visable might make you a target where they get the drop on you and take your gun, it has happened. As with everything in life, we must access the situations, make judgements on proper actions, and hope we're right.....O.L.

oladcock wrote:

LS, Did you take or remember driver ed? Most of it is or should be common sense. But we know that's not very common any more. The intricacies of "the laws" was interesting in the dirtbag you had to shoot probably isn't as big a criminal as the lawyers you'll face afterwards!:) Just as fire prevention is the best option, we still have fire depts and extingushers just in case. Staying out of self defense situations is best, the high speed lead dispenser should be a last resort. Even as we should glance to see if someone is running a red light with it green for us, being situationally aware of that shady character hanging around a dark parking lot should cause evasive actions, before the collision occures.
The biggest negative with OC, none of us can defend against a sucker punch. Being visable might make you a target where they get the drop on you and take your gun, it has happened. As with everything in life, we must access the situations, make judgements on proper actions, and hope we're right.....O.L.

Alas I do remember drivers ed. I wish others would remember what thay were taught. I sometimes wonder if some of the drivers out there even had to take a test for there DL. I agree that carrying boils down to common sense. Some have it and some need to be taught it and others will never grasp it. Stupid is stupid and you generally cant fix stupid but there are those that are willing to learn and expand there knowledge. Responsible gun owners aren't the ones that scare sheep.

Yep, stupid people with cars kill 10 times more innocent people than guns do....O.L.

have the Russians come yet? do you still have your uzis at the ready? lol

I forgot about you nut cases.

Tex

TEX wrote:

have the Russians come yet? do you still have your uzis at the ready? lol
I forgot about you nut cases.
Tex

No but the soft commies have, look in the mirror. Talk all you want, we've got em, ain't going to get rid of them, and you can't hire anyone with your vote stupid enough to attempt takeing them. Spoken with the same respect I'd give to Mao or Stalin....O.L.

oladcock wrote:

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No but the soft commies have, look in the mirror. Talk all you want, we've got em, ain't going to get rid of them, and you can't hire anyone with your vote stupid enough to attempt takeing them. Spoken with the same respect I'd give to Mao or Stalin....O.L.

Tex likes to bait you. No one here respects that turd and he is unworthy of response.

I can make Oladcock roll over too....good puppy! LOL....

Nuts

TEX

Well well well....I guess Seno didn't have a case after all. LOL
TEX

Suit alleging constitutional violation dismissed By Dianne Stallings dstallings@ruidosonews.comruid osonews.com
Posted: 02/15/2012 03:20:42 PM MST

A federal magistrate judge apparently is dismissing a lawsuit filed against Ruidoso Mayor Ray Alborn, Ruidoso Police Chief Joe Magill and the village that claimed resident Tony Seno's constitutional rights were violated when he was forced to relinquish his gun before speaking to the village council from the podium in July 2011.

According to a public information release that Alborn read at a council meeting Tuesday, on Nov. 22, U.S. District Court Judge Gregory B. Wormuth conducted a hearing on the village's motion to dismiss Seno's lawsuit. The judge subsequently announced his ruling that on the request for an injunction, the court did not believe the facts alleged constituted a Fourth Amendment violation.

On the seizure claim, the judge repeated his conclusion and added that the court asked Seno whether he disputed that the seizure was a relatively short event. He noted the plaintiff conceded that his firearm was withheld for about five minutes.

"The court indicated its intent to grant the motion to dismiss the entire complaint based upon mootness of injunctive relief and because the facts alleged do not establish a Fourth Amendment seizure," according to the release that Alborn read.

The court granted the plaintiff's request for a chance to amend Seno's filing until Dec. 2, 2011, but no motion to amend or amended complaint was submitted by that deadline.

The village is waiting for the court's written order dismissing the complaint, Alborn said. He added that

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Magill acted appropriately to safeguard citizens when he disarmed Seno.
Reached for comment Wednesday, Seno said, "I haven't heard anything from my attorneys. I am surprised at the news and that the court would dismiss the (U.S.) Constitution in this case.

"I thought the judge said he as going to issue his order on Dec. 2," Seno said. "That's what I understood. I guess a seizure is not a seizure unless it lasts more than five minutes. Welcome to the police state. But there always is an appeal and may have to do this pro se (represent himself) because I can't afford the high