Drug debate flares - Ruidoso News

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The debate over drug testing of Ruidoso Downs city councilors was raised again Monday night, during the council's first meeting of the year. Full Story

Since: Mar 09

Berlin, Germany

#21 Jan 13, 2010
HermanofLC wrote:
Those making the rules and enforcing the rules should be subjected to just a little bit more. I think Walmart has random drug testing. Don't you want your elected officials (again, YOUR employees) subjected to a bit more?
I hate to say this but HERE you are very right.
Modern Amerika

Alto, NM

#22 Jan 13, 2010
HermanofLC wrote:
Those making the rules and enforcing the rules should be subjected to just a little bit more. I think Walmart has random drug testing. Don't you want your elected officials (again, YOUR employees) subjected to a bit more?
In America, we're all created equal and should be treated that way.

Walmart only uses the drug-test hammer when they want to terminate an employee; plenty of Walmart employees are not drug-free but retain and perform their job.

Not to say that airline pilots should drink while flying, etc.
Free Press

Alamogordo, NM

#23 Jan 13, 2010
In Carry I Zozo the only drug debate is do we buy from Tim Barela or just go to the school and buy it there?
Info maybe

Alamogordo, NM

#24 Jan 13, 2010
Cady wrote:
Hate to hijack the thread but, could one of you long time Capitan people answer me this? If someone claims to live in Fort Stanton (and there not an inmate) where would that be? Are there any communities considered Fort Stanton other than the fort??/ Thanks
There are one or two houses around Ft. Staton and there are a couple of houses that are lived in right in the middle of Ft Staton. I would guess the care takers.

Hard to break in on these nut jobs. It doesn't matter the thread there are about 3 people who hijack it just to fight.
Bobbi

AOL

#25 Jan 13, 2010
[Quote]: "Any one ever suspected of using drugs should have to wear monitoring belts and have cameras installed in their homes so that they don't do drugs any more."

They went from being "suspected of using drugs" to "monitoring belts" and "camera's installed in their homes so that they DON'T DO DRUGS ANY MORE." ???? Suspicion to proof of guilt in one sentence?

Are you kidding me?? Whatever happened to "Innocent until proven guilty" and not "suspected" but proven guilty *beyond a reasonable doubt*?? YOU are the kind of person that scares the hell out of me. Seriously. God help the poor soul that you *might* ever be selected to sit on the jury for. Monitering belts and camera's just because someone like YOU "suspected" something? I guess if you "suspect" someone committed murder, that means they automatically get the death penalty?

Oh my dear God, please help this person. Your kind of judgmental narrow mindedness on top of a complete lack of understanding of the criminal justice system is horribly dangerous to America, let alone Lincoln County. I'll pray for you. You need it. You'd better pray that no one like yourself EVER "suspects" anything about you.
Bobbi

AOL

#26 Jan 13, 2010
Cady wrote:
Hate to hijack the thread but, could one of you long time Capitan people answer me this? If someone claims to live in Fort Stanton (and there not an inmate) where would that be? Are there any communities considered Fort Stanton other than the fort??/ Thanks
I wouldn't consider myself a "nut job" like SOME people who lurk around this forum with no apparent opinion of their own on the topic of conversation, which leaves them to just post judgment calls on the rest of us who are passionate enough to say what we think, but in response to your question:

According to "NM HomeTownLocator" and my personal knowledge as a 51 year citizen of Lincoln County, not counting numerous attempts to move away, only to be pulled back to the land of my birth as my mountains always seem to call my name, Fort Stanton is reported to have a population of 41 with 9 housing units and a land area of 0.52 sq. miles. This is actually IN the "city limits" and is not counting the surrounding farms, which are few, due to the fact that Fort Stanton has no water supply of it's own. Hope that helped. Take it easy.--Lincoln National Forest Lover
Modern Amerika

Alto, NM

#27 Jan 13, 2010
Bobbi wrote:
[Quote]: YOU are the kind of person that scares the hell out of me. Seriously.
Hey Bobbi; You missed the "off snark" tag (/s ).

I was being being sarcastic.
Bobbi

Alto, NM

#28 Jan 13, 2010
Modern Amerika wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Bobbi; You missed the "off snark" tag (/s ).
I was being being sarcastic.
Well, then I can only offer my apologies and stress how glad I am that you were not serious because I nearly fell off my chair. I know that knee jerk reactions are really bad ways to start a "relationship" but I am definitely guilty of exhibiting one.

I need to slow it down, take a breath, and avoid reacting like that. Thank you for clearing it up for me though really I guess you shouldn't have had to.

Since this is supposed to be a *flaring drug debate* I think I will go and take a chill pill or 20.

Best wishes.

“One day at a time”

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#31 Jan 13, 2010
I think the dude in question is just buying time to be able to pass a drug test. Stonewalling. Or whatever. But how dare these people say they are not employees. They damn straight are employees. They need to start answering to the voting public which pays their salaries, and one way to start that is to start by being a model of a drug free workplace and having a ZERO tolerance policy for drugs. And then start testing. Clean house.
magoo

La Mesa, NM

#32 Jan 14, 2010
OK Then wrote:
Start with the parks guy with a pony tail! He is a major stoner! He even buys drugs while on the job for the Downs. The last police officer that tried to arrest him was fired by a buddy of Rene's. I got a better idea. Let them all be subject to the personnel policy. Why don't we go after Former Councilor Miller, Former Councilor Morales, and Councilor Holman (yeah ya drunk...alcohol is a drug too)? They are friends of the mayor and Rene, so that wouldn't happen to them. What about Dean Holman b@nging the dog catcher? Isn't that not allowed by the policy? A supervisor scrUUUwing his subordinate? This is simply a ploy to try and go around state law to remove an elected official from office. Zack should tell them that.
After a decent try to bring respect back to the Downs, the Downs government has gone back to helll where it belongs.
So would you say you had some problems?
frosted snowman

United States

#33 Jan 14, 2010
OK Then wrote:
Start with the parks guy with a pony tail! He is a major stoner! He even buys drugs while on the job for the Downs. The last police officer that tried to arrest him was fired by a buddy of Rene's. Oh wait, this Parks guy IS a buddy of the mayor and Rene. He's safe. What about the guy that physically attacked the City electrician over a freaking football game score?! He's safe cuz the guy he attacked was the former administration's public works director. He's still employed and safe.
.
I got a better idea. Let them all be subject to the personnel policy. I will then pay an attorney to remove the mayor, municipal judge, and half of the council for corruption, gross incompetence and dereliction of duty. Those of us in the city will then be able to file a class action lawsuit to fire the crooked losers. Guess what? Why don't we go after Former Councilor Miller, Former Councilor Morales, and Councilor Holman (yeah ya drunk...alcohol is a drug too)? They are friends of the mayor and Rene, so that wouldn't happen to them. What about Dean Holman b@nging the dog catcher? Isn't that not allowed by the policy? A supervisor scrUUUwing his subordinate? This is simply a ploy to try and go around state law to remove an elected official from office. Zack should tell them that.
After a decent try to bring respect back to the Downs, the Downs government has gone back to helll where it belongs.
I like it, and lets enforce that in Capitan as well.can you say watch the dominoes fall?herme,you support this for capitan as well i presume?

Since: Mar 09

Berlin, Germany

#34 Jan 14, 2010
frosted snowman wrote:
<quoted text>
I like it, and lets enforce that in Capitan as well.can you say watch the dominoes fall?herme,you support this for capitan as well i presume?
I thought the very same thing.:-)
frosted snowman

United States

#35 Jan 14, 2010
great minds think alike,huh?

Since: Mar 09

Berlin, Germany

#36 Jan 14, 2010
This and knowing Herme's way of thinking LOL
Kooch

Bakersfield, CA

#37 Jan 14, 2010
Somebody needs to be checking some of theses boys for Viagra. <OO>
Test them ALL

Ruidoso, NM

#38 Jan 14, 2010
1. Drug testing of Federal Employees, elected, appointees, and contractors, is authorized under Executive Order 12,564 (5 U.S.C.ยง7301), signed by President Reagan. This Order includes testing of the Executive branch, and the President himself.
2. The Supreme Court of the United States (in Skinner v. Railway Labor Executives' Assn., 489 U.S. 602, 1989) ruled that while drug testing does infringe on an employee's privacy, it can be necessary in order to protect the health and safety of others.
So...
If it is OK to test the President of the United States including the entire Executive Branch, an ELECTED official, and the entire Federal workforce, then it is certainly OK to test our local elected officials!
Pinky

Joplin, MO

#39 Jan 14, 2010
Bavarian Hillbilly wrote:
Pinky spreading lies again? No drugs in our family.
Funny how it works with the German interloper. Her involvement in this thread is fine but she decides that someone else's involvement evidently means that poster is a drug user or dealer or both. Where's the difference? Just one example of her penchant for interpreting these posts to suit her theories.
Richard

Placerville, CA

#40 Jan 14, 2010
It makes no difference if one drives a city vehicle, YES that person SHOULD BE TESTED. You should show by example, not by power of election to exempt yourself. If its good enough for the citizens (including city employees) it should be good enough for the elected officials to be tested.

Since: Mar 09

Berlin, Germany

#41 Jan 14, 2010
Who is responsible and who will pay for it when such intoxicated, elected official has an accident? Are the communities ready and willing to cover this?

Does American law know what we call "wantanly negligent" acting? Don't know if this is the right term in English. It means that somebody ignores the law and common sense in a way that it their behavior leads to damage to persons or physical damage. In this case no insurance and no company would be liable to recourse and the person in question would have to pay and of course go to jail.

Does anybody know how such cases are handled in NM? Does a community have to cover for an official causing such damage under the influence of drugs?

“One day at a time”

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#42 Jan 15, 2010
Why is the German in this thread? Go read an American History book.

Back to the thread, so let's test:
Dave Parks
Tom Stewart
Jackie Powell
Don Williams
Tom Battin

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