Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions

KiMare wrote:

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I seem to have a calling to kick at the darkness until it bleeds light.

Well look at you going all Fifty Shades of Phucked up!

Gay people are mentally ill because being on this planet demands that you go on via having your own children....they have none because the male wants the father to enter him from the rear and he equates that with love...it is not love...

I love you Ned.

ned wrote:

Gay people are mentally ill because being on this planet demands that you go on via having your own children....they have none because the male wants the father to enter him from the rear and he equates that with love...it is not love...

CUZ wrote:

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I have asked my kids, and they are fine with it. They are good kids, honor roll students, etc. The only problems they have come from a very FEW peers who have parents who think like you and are raising their children to be bigots. Not to mention fact that many, many children of heterosexuals in this country are missing one or both parents anyway. Our kids know they have two parents who love them very much. That's all they really care about.

Right. I have spent over thirty years working with foster/adopted kids. That is pure ugly BS. Every chid in any situation missing a parent prefers their father and mother.

thinking wrote:

Ask the gays how about MBLAman boy love assioation how do you condone that!!! Putting men and boys as mentors but useing them as sex pardners!!!!

I like to go to the hot dog eating contests and see how may wieners I can choke down but then again i had a lot of practice in th gay bars!

dick blisterod wrote:

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I like to go to the hot dog eating contests and see how may wieners I can choke down but then again i had a lot of practice in th gay bars!

this old man is looking for a man. he lives in cahokia in a shack near the tracks and is ready to tack it in the crack.

ned wrote:

Gay people are mentally ill because being on this planet demands that you go on via having your own children....they have none because the male wants the father to enter him from the rear and he equates that with love...it is not love...

and so what you're telling us is that the planet demands that you continue your genetic line. why do you believe that your genetic line is worth continuing?

KiMare wrote:

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Right. I have spent over thirty years working with foster/adopted kids. That is pure ugly BS. Every chid in any situation missing a parent prefers their father and mother.

bullshit belongs in the barnyard. nobody would ever let you work near children and you know it. give it a miss.

not only that, but children in a same sex family have two parents. wtf is your problem, anyway? do you just want to spread your bias and hatred to see how far it goes and how many people you can hurt?

KiMare wrote:

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Right. I have spent over thirty years working with foster/adopted kids. That is pure ugly BS. Every chid in any situation missing a parent prefers their father and mother.

Your prejudice colors your experience.

I've worked over 40 years with abused and abandoned kids in foster homes and institutional settings as well as in family homes. I've seen kids with gay foster parents and gay adoptive parents who wanted to stay with their gay parents rather than return to abusive biological parents. The research also supports the conclusion that kids do best and want to be where they are appreciated and loved. Gender or sexual orientation of the parent is not the determining factor.

Meanwhile the irrational, scientifically unsupportable prejudice promoted by you and the hate troll of many names here, results in needless suffering and death.

KiMare wrote:

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Right. I have spent over thirty years working with foster/adopted kids. That is pure ugly BS. Every chid in any situation missing a parent prefers their father and mother.

Mine are not missing a parent. They have two. And I find it hard to believe that ''every child in any situation missing a parent prefers their father and mother''. Really? Because there are some pretty horrid parents out there.

Not Yet Equal wrote:

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Your prejudice colors your experience.
I've worked over 40 years with abused and abandoned kids in foster homes and institutional settings as well as in family homes. I've seen kids with gay foster parents and gay adoptive parents who wanted to stay with their gay parents rather than return to abusive biological parents. The research also supports the conclusion that kids do best and want to be where they are appreciated and loved. Gender or sexual orientation of the parent is not the determining factor.
Meanwhile the irrational, scientifically unsupportable prejudice promoted by you and the hate troll of many names here, results in needless suffering and death.

Thank you.

KiMare wrote:

Good question. Here are some responses and thoughts;
If you
believe denying marriage to a relationship
will prevent love
If you
demand any committed relationship
has to be called marriage
If you
claim rights and benefits can only be acquired
by a imposition on marriage
If you
equate the diversity of two genders
with the redundancy of same genders
If you
desecrate the sacred tradition of all major religions
and violate the historic practice of every single culture in history
If you
believe a fundamental change to the building block of society
will have absolutely no affect
If you
think a law can change
the reality of crucial distinctions in relationships
If you
pretend duplicating sexuality
is the same as blending masculinity and femininity
If you
condemn some children to parents of only one gender
and deliberately deny some children one natural parent
If you
ignore the design of sexual union
to manipulate a harmful act
If you
violate evolution's law of reproduction
to equate a genetic dead end
If you
risk the healthiest human relationship
to include one of the unhealthiest
If you
parallel the sole birthplace of every other relationship
with one that can reproduce none
If you
dilute all these things
down to just 'a committed relationship of two people'
Then, and only then, can you equate same-sex unions with marriage.

Thank you! So is it that they want their union to be called a marriage? If you called it what it is, a Civil Union, would it be a problem then?
What is your definition of unhealthy? I am confused on it causing a dead end. If the entire population were same sex relationships then ok I can see that being a possibility, however, this would never be the case. If anything we have too many people in the world as it is. I can't comment on the religious factor because that's determined on a personal belief and fortunately in AMerica we have separation of church and state. But to say that we would violate historic practice is false. If you research a time in history concerning the Romans you may be shocked to learn a few things.
Do you feel that a parentless child will be better off than one who has a loving parent to raise them? Or that a child raised by an adopted parent is worse off than one that has their natural parent?
Thanks for the discussion!

ned wrote:

Gay people are mentally ill because being on this planet demands that you go on via having your own children....they have none because the male wants the father to enter him from the rear and he equates that with love...it is not love...

I know plenty of people who do not want children and are not gay. Does this mean they are mentally ill? And how do you know what someone elses love is? Were you there to watch them? OMG you're gay! Ew! Gross! lol

dances with weebles wrote:

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bullshit belongs in the barnyard. nobody would ever let you work near children and you know it. give it a miss.
not only that, but children in a same sex family have two parents. wtf is your problem, anyway? do you just want to spread your bias and hatred to see how far it goes and how many people you can hurt?

Did you miss my last post to you?

Your character is showing again...

You do your father well, your vocation, that's another story, isn't it?

Not Yet Equal wrote:

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Your prejudice colors your experience.
I've worked over 40 years with abused and abandoned kids in foster homes and institutional settings as well as in family homes. I've seen kids with gay foster parents and gay adoptive parents who wanted to stay with their gay parents rather than return to abusive biological parents. The research also supports the conclusion that kids do best and want to be where they are appreciated and loved. Gender or sexual orientation of the parent is not the determining factor.
Meanwhile the irrational, scientifically unsupportable prejudice promoted by you and the hate troll of many names here, results in needless suffering and death.

You violate your vocation's ethics with that distorted BS. I'd love to report you. God help the children you've 'helped'...

Poor childcare happens in every setting. The bottom line? Children prefer and find the best setting most often is their biological mother and fathers.

Give me your 'study'. A actual one with research methods explained.

Smile.

CUZ wrote:

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Mine are not missing a parent. They have two. And I find it hard to believe that ''every child in any situation missing a parent prefers their father and mother''. Really? Because there are some pretty horrid parents out there.

Who are you trying to convince?

Only one of you is their natural parent.

Every type of setting has it's failures, don't they? Is it fair to only point out one side? Maybe we could start a pissing contest on horror stories of children in gay and straight homes.

The astounding thing is that a real parent would actually question whether a child wants their real parents...

nfgc wrote:

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Thank you! So is it that they want their union to be called a marriage? If you called it what it is, a Civil Union, would it be a problem then?
What is your definition of unhealthy? I am confused on it causing a dead end. If the entire population were same sex relationships then ok I can see that being a possibility, however, this would never be the case. If anything we have too many people in the world as it is. I can't comment on the religious factor because that's determined on a personal belief and fortunately in AMerica we have separation of church and state. But to say that we would violate historic practice is false. If you research a time in history concerning the Romans you may be shocked to learn a few things.
Do you feel that a parentless child will be better off than one who has a loving parent to raise them? Or that a child raised by an adopted parent is worse off than one that has their natural parent?
Thanks for the discussion!

I appreciate that you are interested in learning perspectives. That was my goal when I first came on topix.

1. You understand correctly, I do not agree in calling gay unions marriage. Marriage defines a unique, important and distinct relationship. Gays have every opportunity to pursue rights, just as other groups (minorities, handicapped and yes, married people) have.

2. Anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning. From a gay friendly site;

"Anal sex has a number of health risks. Anal intercourse is the riskiest form of sexual activity for several reasons, including the following:"

http://www.webmd.com/sex/anal-sex-health-conc...

3. 96% of marriages result in children. Gay unions birth 0%. That is what I mean by a dead end. It is not a matter of population control, it is a matter of distinguishing relationships. You need to ask why gays do not want to establish their own identity on their own merits as every other minority has done.

4. I didn't reference a religious doctrine. I referred to a civilized sensitivity to culture and religions. Nor is it inaccurate to reference 'historic practice'. Marriage has been a part of every single culture in recorded human history. From start to finish of that culture. Gay 'marriage' has never been accepted in a single culture from start to finish. You referenced Roman culture. I am very familiar with it. Gay 'marriage' was never legal. In fact, when it did briefly arise, it was mocked by political peers. Additionally, why did gay 'marriage' not establish itself when it did happen and spread?

5. The simple facts are that on average, a child outside a biological family setting is worse off. I have a problem equating any situation with nature's design. A gay couple ALWAYS deprives a child of one gender and at least one parent. I have a severe problem with a gay couple DELIBERATELY birthing a child without both biological parents to raise them.

Thank you for your honest questions!

Legalize gay marriage, this IS supposed to be a free country. How is it free if people can't marry who they love? If you don't like gay marriage, then don't get married to the same sex. Simple enough!
All that said I am a straight mother of 3 and I believe in God.

How utterly creepy is this whole gay thing. Think about it man on man women on women just sends a chill up my spine.

You may have some credibility if you could learn to construct a sentence.

Saiperus wrote:

Legalize gay marriage, this IS supposed to be a free country. How is it free if people can't marry who they love? If you don't like gay marriage, then don't get married to the same sex. Simple enough!
All that said I am a straight mother of 3 and I believe in God.