By Scott Shackelford : A warped sense of morality

Quote from Mr. Shackleford:
What sort of belief system supports legalizing such a warped sense of morality? Who among us honestly believes a woman who has been raped (and God knows what else) by some wretched figure has no right, none whatsoever, to determine what becomes of her body?

Ummm... perhaps it is called Christianity? Something that maybe Mr. Shackleford is not acquainted with?

I agree with his comments however, that the issue will never be resolved to the satisfaction of everyone.

Retired2005 wrote:

Quote from Mr. Shackleford:
What sort of belief system supports legalizing such a warped sense of morality? Who among us honestly believes a woman who has been raped (and God knows what else) by some wretched figure has no right, none whatsoever, to determine what becomes of her body?

Ummm... perhaps it is called Christianity? Something that maybe Mr. Shackleford is not acquainted with?

I agree with his comments however, that the issue will never be resolved to the satisfaction of everyone.

Perhaps he, like most of the world population, is not Christian?

Ami wrote:

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Perhaps he, like most of the world population, is not Christian?

Research indicates that by the middle of last year, 2.14 billion people made up the world’s Christian population – a 140-million-person increase from five years earlier. Christians, therefore, now make up one-third of the world’s population of 6.45 billion people.

How can Christians support a abortion law that doesn't leave any room for rape and incest victims? If a girl has been raped by her uncle and found herself pregnant. She wants a abortion and lives in South Dakota. Christians will be telling this girl,"Oh you have to have this baby". It is a law made by us the Christians.
I think that is so cold and uncaring Christian groups. The girls and women who have been raped or incest has occurred and a pregnancy happened. If they do not want to have the fetus,why should some dumb state law stop them from getting a abortion?
If that is the Christian faith then include me in the 2/3 of the worlds population of the non-Christian sect.
Because I think in cases of rape and incest a woman has the right to make up her own mind what she wants to do if she finds herself pregnant.

Mist wrote:

How can Christians support a abortion law that doesn't leave any room for rape and incest victims? If a girl has been raped by her uncle and found herself pregnant. She wants a abortion and lives in South Dakota. Christians will be telling this girl,"Oh you have to have this baby". It is a law made by us the Christians.
I think that is so cold and uncaring Christian groups. The girls and women who have been raped or incest has occurred and a pregnancy happened. If they do not want to have the fetus,why should some dumb state law stop them from getting a abortion?
If that is the Christian faith then include me in the 2/3 of the worlds population of the non-Christian sect.
Because I think in cases of rape and incest a woman has the right to make up her own mind what she wants to do if she finds herself pregnant.

Religion and "Christanity" have NOTHING to do with the abortion ban, this is just a common ploy pro-abortionists use in order to try and refute reality.

LadyLawDog wrote:

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Religion and "Christanity" have NOTHING to do with the abortion ban, this is just a common ploy pro-abortionists use in order to try and refute reality.

Yes, I am typical, predictable, just like all the rest, blah, blah. That argument has seriously gotten old, Tara.

I was responding to the first poster in this thread about abortion Christianity. THAT is how it was brought up. It was not random and we "pro-abortionists" were not the initiators of the topic.

My third sentence should say "abortion AND Christianity".

ami wrote:

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Yes, I am typical, predictable, just like all the rest, blah, blah. That argument has seriously gotten old, Tara.
I was responding to the first poster in this thread about abortion Christianity. THAT is how it was brought up. It was not random and we "pro-abortionists" were not the initiators of the topic.

So then why were you quoting me when I was quoting the previous poster, not the original poster?

Ami and LadyLawDog,are you two following each other around the abortion forums? You seem to be in a heated battle over the same old topics. Can't you two agree on any one point? Both of you seem educated and knowledgeable..but both of you are unreasonably immovable in purpose.

Mist wrote:

Ami and LadyLawDog,are you two following each other around the abortion forums? You seem to be in a heated battle over the same old topics. Can't you two agree on any one point? Both of you seem educated and knowledgeable..but both of you are unreasonably immovable in purpose.

We agree on some points.

Unreasonably immovable? Well, I'm going to stay pro-choice and I figure she's still anti-abortion.

Mist wrote:

Ami and LadyLawDog,are you two following each other around the abortion forums? You seem to be in a heated battle over the same old topics. Can't you two agree on any one point? Both of you seem educated and knowledgeable..but both of you are unreasonably immovable in purpose.

We agree on many things. And to be honest ... Ami's been the only worthwhile 'opponent' I've encountered yet! Why? She has the same 'heart' and passion I do, just on the opposite end of the spectrum. She may drive me nuts on this particular issue (abortion) sometimes [ ;-)]... but I do admire her on many levels.

Don't tell her I said that, though .. wouldn't want it going to her head or thinking in any way, shape or form that I can be nice.

Oooooh I regret using that word 'worthwhile'... I didn't mean it the way it sounded!!!! Anyone reading my previous post -- please accept my apology!

This topic has grown stale,like a pint that has been in the sun to long!
Why is it not socially right for a pregnant victim of rape to decide for herself if she wants a abortion or adoption? Why should a society dictate to this women that she can't make up her mind on abortion? The rape was not her fault. The crime has been commited. Pregnancy was the result. Why should a women be made to suffer the crime if she wants a abortion? Some of you are saying that abortion should be made a crime. Send that woman to jail for getting a abortion. So a victim of rape gets a abortion,she should have to go to jail for a crime that was commited against her? Stupid....stupid!!!

EVie wrote:

This topic has grown stale,like a pint that has been in the sun to long!
Why is it not socially right for a pregnant victim of rape to decide for herself if she wants a abortion or adoption? Why should a society dictate to this women that she can't make up her mind on abortion? The rape was not her fault. The crime has been commited. Pregnancy was the result. Why should a women be made to suffer the crime if she wants a abortion? Some of you are saying that abortion should be made a crime. Send that woman to jail for getting a abortion. So a victim of rape gets a abortion,she should have to go to jail for a crime that was commited against her? Stupid....stupid!!!

It is so annying to see people speak on this issue when they have no clue what the facts are.

NO WOMAN WILL GO TO JAIL - NOR WILL SHE BE CHARGED WITH ANY CRIME - PERIOD!!!!!

EVie wrote:

This topic has grown stale,like a pint that has been in the sun to long!
Why is it not socially right for a pregnant victim of rape to decide for herself if she wants a abortion or adoption? Why should a society dictate to this women that she can't make up her mind on abortion? The rape was not her fault. The crime has been commited. Pregnancy was the result. Why should a women be made to suffer the crime if she wants a abortion? Some of you are saying that abortion should be made a crime. Send that woman to jail for getting a abortion. So a victim of rape gets a abortion,she should have to go to jail for a crime that was commited against her? Stupid....stupid!!!

It is annoying to have some one a comment I have made with such a sour attitude. You must think you know it all. Reason for coming here is to ask questions. Please who ever you are LadyLawDog leave other people to answer my questions. I did ask some questions and I do not appreciate some one like you commenting on something I want to know.

Twin wrote:

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It is annoying to have some one a comment I have made with such a sour attitude. You must think you know it all. Reason for coming here is to ask questions. Please who ever you are LadyLawDog leave other people to answer my questions. I did ask some questions and I do not appreciate some one like you commenting on something I want to know.

Twin .. the topic of this forum addresses the South Dakota abortion ban and I am a South Dakota native. I do have the right (and responsibility) to correct people when they spew things that are simply false regarding the South Dakota abortion ban. People continually speak of women getting arrested, charged with a crime for having an abortion in the case of rape or incest 'because of' our abortion ban and that is NOT the truth. In South Dakota, no woman will ever be arrested or charged with a crime if she has an abortion ... for ANY reason.

LadyLawDog wrote:

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Twin .. the topic of this forum addresses the South Dakota abortion ban and I am a South Dakota native. I do have the right (and responsibility) to correct people when they spew things that are simply false regarding the South Dakota abortion ban. People continually speak of women getting arrested, charged with a crime for having an abortion in the case of rape or incest 'because of' our abortion ban and that is NOT the truth. In South Dakota, no woman will ever be arrested or charged with a crime if she has an abortion ... for ANY reason.

LadyLawDog,your attitude sucks! If you are tire of people coming here and not knowing all the facts,then I would say there is something wrong with you. A forum of this kind is for people to come. I do not have the time to go back and read all these old posts. I have no idea of what you have posted and I really don't care. I had some simple questions which you have turned into a a war. Rape and incest seems to be the big cause of debates. A woman is raped and finds herself pregnant. South Dakota is going to say NO. Isn't there any one else from South Dakota on the opposite view point?

Slayer of Cliffracers wrote:

South Dakota are more just than most goverments it seems. They don't believe in killing children for the crimes of their fathers.

I see the state does have the death penalty,but no one has been execution since 1976. So it seems that state is hard line on abortions but not the death penalty.

Twin wrote:

LadyLawDog,your attitude sucks!

My attitude sucks simply because I refuted the comment of, "Send that woman to jail for getting a abortion. So a victim of rape gets a abortion,she should have to go to jail for a crime that was commited against her" by clarifying that she is NOT going to get charged with a crime or go to jail????? Wow.

Twin wrote:

I had some simple questions which you have turned into a a war.

I have? Wow. Apparently you are the one declaring it, but rest assured - I sure have no intent to engage in any kind of warfare - with you or anyone else.

Twin wrote:

A woman is raped and finds herself pregnant. South Dakota is going to say NO.

Ummm no. As it stands, the law has been placed on hold until November when it goes to a public vote. Until that time, any woman in South Dakota is free to have as many abortions as she wishes.

Twin wrote:

Isn't there any one else from South Dakota on the opposite view point?

There isn't anyone in South Dakota that isn't aware of the fact that right now, abortions 'are' legal and come November when the public votes - if the law is upheld - women will still NOT be charged with a crime for having an abortion.

Slayer of Cliffracers wrote:

I see, it only covers those that offer abortions, not those who have them.

Right .. the only ones at risk for prosecution under the law are doctors - and .. there are no doctors in the State of South Dakota that perform abortions, anyway. The doctors who perform abortions are from Minnesota - they fly here periodically to 'do their deed' and then return to Minnesota.

Slayer of Cliffracers wrote:

I see the state does have the death penalty,but no one has been execution since 1976. So it seems that state is hard line on abortions but not the death penalty.

South Dakota’s last execution was in 1947; George Sitts went to the electric chair for killing State Special Agent Thomas Matthews and Butte County Sheriff Dave Malcolm near Spearfish. Sitts escaped from a Minnesota jail where he was to begin a life sentence for killing a liquor store clerk. Sitts is the only convicted murderer to be electrocuted in South Dakota.

Incidently, This summer (August) one of the four men on death row in South Dakota could be executed. Circuit Judge Warren Johnson has ordered the execution of Elijah Page who gave up his appeals and WANTS to be executed. Now, a judge says Elijah Page must be evaluated by a psychiatrist before he can fire his lawyer, end his appeals and be executed. I don't know how this is going to play out, but our Governor is a devout Catholic and he will no doubt be asked to block the execution.