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Hostages rescued in Colombia

A Merritt Island man and a Satellite Beach native are among 15 hostages freed from captors in a dramatic rescue by the Columbian military on Wednesday.

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Jul 2, 2008
 
I really hate that almost any news quickly turns political..but I couldn't help but wonder how much of this has to do with political timing.
The recently "enhanced" version of NAFTA is so bad for America, and the many meetings between Vincente Fox and Bush are dubious, to say the least in terms of national security, border control and immigration.
Some of the people within the Columbian government were there during the Iran-Contra affair. Columbia is home to some of the worlds most vicious state-sponsored terrorists on the planet..yet we "welcome them with open arms" into NAFTA.
Maybe just a coincidence..but I think America is getting a little gun-shy..and rightly so.
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And here's another clear example of why all you little kids need to work hard in school and earn your education. Then, when you're a big grown-up like Abner, you won't say completely idiotic things regarding people of cultures other than yours without being educated on matters of which you speak.

You'll also recognize that "Columbia" is the name of a city in South Carolina, as well as many other cities and towns across the U.S., and it's also the name of a prestigious university.
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Jul 2, 2008
 
Don't be shy, Abner and others... Just come out and say how sad a day it is that three Americans held for five years by a bunch of lunatic, Leftist, terrorist thugs are finally going to see their families again.
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Miyamoto Musashi wrote:
Don't be shy, Abner and others... Just come out and say how sad a day it is that three Americans held for five years by a bunch of lunatic, Leftist, terrorist thugs are finally going to see their families again.
Of course I'm glad that the Americans are free.

My point is that these terrorist thugs are state sponsored ..and as I said, it seems more than coincidental that their "accidental release" has happened at the same time we are welcoming Columbia into NAFTA..
At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, I find it even more curious that some of these state sponsored terrorists were around during the Iran-Contra affair..which also took place around a national election.

My post was about how any news story seems to turn political. You've only made my point by referring to the terrorists as liberal. These people are anything but.
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MDP wrote:
And here's another clear example of why all you little kids need to work hard in school and earn your education. Then, when you're a big grown-up like Abner, you won't say completely idiotic things regarding people of cultures other than yours without being educated on matters of which you speak.
You'll also recognize that "Columbia" is the name of a city in South Carolina, as well as many other cities and towns across the U.S., and it's also the name of a prestigious university.
After you sober up try reading the story (if you can).
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First, point out where I used the term "liberal." What? Not there?

Second, if murdering, vicious FARC is state sponsored, it is from Cuba, Venezuela, or Red China they get their support.

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Of course I'm glad that the Americans are free.
My point is that these terrorist thugs are state sponsored ..and as I said, it seems more than coincidental that their "accidental release" has happened at the same time we are welcoming Columbia into NAFTA..
At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, I find it even more curious that some of these state sponsored terrorists were around during the Iran-Contra affair..which also took place around a national election.
My post was about how any news story seems to turn political. You've only made my point by referring to the terrorists as liberal. These people are anything but.
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First, point out where I used the term "liberal." What? Not there?
Second, if murdering, vicious FARC is state sponsored, it is from Cuba, Venezuela, or Red China they get their support.
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I stand corrected..lunatic or leftist is synonymous with loony..liberal, etc., on these threads as a rule.

FARC is (or was) a leftist group..and by many estimations is State sponsored by the Columbian government..which is anything but liberal..as is their relationship with other the countries you mentioned. These are the fine folks we are welcoming into NAFTA.
I only suggest it seems to be more than merely coincidence.
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I stand corrected..lunatic or leftist is synonymous with loony..liberal, etc., on these threads as a rule.
FARC is (or was) a leftist group..and by many estimations is State sponsored by the Columbian government..which is anything but liberal..as is their relationship with other the countries you mentioned. These are the fine folks we are welcoming into NAFTA.
I only suggest it seems to be more than merely coincidence.
Sober up? HA! I'm not a drinker - but this is coming from an idiotic redneck with a propensity for assumptions. You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about regarding FARC, Colombia or anything else. I suggest you enroll in some program of higher learning; beyond 6th grade.

And learn how to spell while you're at it. AGAIN, for the feeble-minded "Abner's" of the world: "Columbia" is not the name of a country. IT is the name of a major Ivy League (way out of your league) university and many towns and cities across the U.S., most notably, Columbia, South Carolina.
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Sober up? HA! I'm not a drinker - but this is coming from an idiotic redneck with a propensity for assumptions. You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about regarding FARC, Colombia or anything else. I suggest you enroll in some program of higher learning; beyond 6th grade.
And learn how to spell while you're at it. AGAIN, for the feeble-minded "Abner's" of the world: "Columbia" is not the name of a country. IT is the name of a major Ivy League (way out of your league) university and many towns and cities across the U.S., most notably, Columbia, South Carolina.
OK..considering the title of this topic..I would have thought you might have made an "appropriate" assumption..no matter.
From the Colombian involvement in regards to Iran-Contra up to and including the new and improved NAFTA agreement in respect to Colombia's state sponsored support of various terrorist groups including FARC..it's not difficult to "wonder" that there might be more to the story than what's being reported in the news.
Again..I only stated there might be more to it than what meets the eye..based on public information that's been out there for years. I provided only one of many links. You can believe what you want.
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There is no "state sponsored support of various terrorist groups including FARC". Hugo Chavez sponsors them. Colombia does not. Where the heck do you find these morsels of "wisdom"? In your alphabet soup?

It's no wonder our country is where it is because people will actually believe this BS that comes babbling out of the mouths via keyboard from people like you who don't have a friggin' clue what they're talking about.

Educate yourself before you continue misinforming the world and propagating stereotypes.

If you ever get the opportunity, you should visit Colombia and then maybe, you'll realize how imbecilic all of these comments are.

Until you do go, ask some questions about your beliefs over at www.poorbuthappy.com/colombia A large number of members on that forum will straighten out any misconceptions you currently have.
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MDP wrote:
There is no "state sponsored support of various terrorist groups including FARC". Hugo Chavez sponsors them. Colombia does not. Where the heck do you find these morsels of "wisdom"? In your alphabet soup?
It's no wonder our country is where it is because people will actually believe this BS that comes babbling out of the mouths via keyboard from people like you who don't have a friggin' clue what they're talking about.
Educate yourself before you continue misinforming the world and propagating stereotypes.
If you ever get the opportunity, you should visit Colombia and then maybe, you'll realize how imbecilic all of these comments are.
Until you do go, ask some questions about your beliefs over at www.poorbuthappy.com/colombia A large number of members on that forum will straighten out any misconceptions you currently have.
I admit..I've never been to Colombia. My cousin was in Panama in 1990. I've been reading and following the goings on down there since.
You can believe what you want about state sponsored terrorism in Colombia..or elsewhere in Central America.

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MDP wrote:
There is no "state sponsored support of various terrorist groups including FARC". Hugo Chavez sponsors them. Colombia does not. Where the heck do you find these morsels of "wisdom"? In your alphabet soup?
It's no wonder our country is where it is because people will actually believe this BS that comes babbling out of the mouths via keyboard from people like you who don't have a friggin' clue what they're talking about.
Educate yourself before you continue misinforming the world and propagating stereotypes.
If you ever get the opportunity, you should visit Colombia and then maybe, you'll realize how imbecilic all of these comments are.
Until you do go, ask some questions about your beliefs over at www.poorbuthappy.com/colombia A large number of members on that forum will straighten out any misconceptions you currently have.
Thank you MDP these folks have not been following this story for the last five years, hell we are thrilled with how they were released, brilliant kind of transaction. Brilliant. And I am so happy for the wives of these men!!! Go NGC!
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Thank you MDP these folks have not been following this story for the last five years, hell we are thrilled with how they were released, brilliant kind of transaction. Brilliant. And I am so happy for the wives of these men!!! Go NGC!
I'm happy as well. What a great day for these American hostages.
This story has it's beginings farther than five years back. But Abner is right in many respects.

I know several outstanding and beautiful Colombian people who have been living here legally since the late 80's. They love their homeland but are the first to say that the government is very corupt. They see Nafta as a political chess game. They are quick to voice their distrust about Bush and Mexico forming this aliance. Mexico is as corupt as the Colombian government and they are in bed together.
You don't know the whole story. I don't know all about the release of the hostages but I can tell you that what you read on a few websites or see on CNN is far from the whole story.
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You can believe what you want about state sponsored terrorism in Colombia..or elsewhere in Central America.
I base my beliefs on facts rather than hearsay or what is seen in Hollywood movies.

Do you want to see some state sponsored terrorism? Look no further than our own government.
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They love their homeland but are the first to say that the government is very corupt.
Hell yeah they're corrupt. But "corrupt" and "sponsors of state terrorism" are two completely different things, and Abner is obviously ignorant on the subject of Colombia in any way, shape or form, with bogus ramblings (published worldwide, mind you - LOL) which are as senseless as the "sentences" appearing in his alphabet soup.

Our government is also corrupt - BIG TIME.

"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely". And there you have Hugo Chavez, Castro, Noriega, Pol Pot, Kim Jong-iL, Islam Karimov, Pervez Musharraf, George Bush and a long string of others over history, etc., etc., etc.

Uribe will enter the history books as one of the greatest leaders of all time, and that's a fact, Jack.

If at any time during my many trips to Colombia I had witnessed or even caught wind of "state sponsored terrorism" - I'd agree with that assessment - but it doesn't exist, punto. But corrupt? Absolutely.
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Jul 4, 2008
 
Can we get back to the topic at hand now? Today, our nation's celebrating its independence. These hostages will be celebrating theirs every day of their lives now. Ironically, the eldest of the three American hostages is celebrating his birthday also on this 4th of July.
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Hell yeah they're corrupt. But "corrupt" and "sponsors of state terrorism" are two completely different things, and Abner is obviously ignorant on the subject of Colombia in any way, shape or form, with bogus ramblings (published worldwide, mind you - LOL) which are as senseless as the "sentences" appearing in his alphabet soup.
Our government is also corrupt - BIG TIME.
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely". And there you have Hugo Chavez, Castro, Noriega, Pol Pot, Kim Jong-iL, Islam Karimov, Pervez Musharraf, George Bush and a long string of others over history, etc., etc., etc.
Uribe will enter the history books as one of the greatest leaders of all time, and that's a fact, Jack.
If at any time during my many trips to Colombia I had witnessed or even caught wind of "state sponsored terrorism" - I'd agree with that assessment - but it doesn't exist, punto. But corrupt? Absolutely.
One of my freinds worked for chiquita in Columbia. She sent me this link a while back-
sendhttp://propagandapress.org /2007/03/23/chiquita-finances- colombian-terrorist-groups-rea lly/

Her feeling about Uribe Velez is that on one hand he hates the terrorists but the other hand he helps them. Much like Vincente Fox in Mexico who says he is tough on illegal immigration and the drug cartels..but actually supports and promotes them both under the phony flag of nafta.

Today we should celebrate freedom and liberty..and speak out against forces that work against it.

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I'm happy as well. What a great day for these American hostages.
This story has it's beginings farther than five years back. But Abner is right in many respects.
I know several outstanding and beautiful Colombian people who have been living here legally since the late 80's. They love their homeland but are the first to say that the government is very corupt. They see Nafta as a political chess game. They are quick to voice their distrust about Bush and Mexico forming this aliance. Mexico is as corupt as the Colombian government and they are in bed together.
You don't know the whole story. I don't know all about the release of the hostages but I can tell you that what you read on a few websites or see on CNN is far from the whole story.
HUN I know more then the whole story. I have followed the mens case since their plane was shot down well more then 5 years ago. I know the wives since I have helped set up the interviews of them just a year ago. Maybe there are some things, you will never know since they are classified. Wonder why we can not make progress in the Middle East? Well look at our news organizations. We want to know everything, well our enemies know everything too when our government tells the general public information. We can never win any war, in this day and age with the news organizations always outting every plan our military has. The way the escaped was planned and there have been many plans for recovery both from the government sector and the private sector as well. The mens employer, has tried to make numerous rescue plans. One thing we would not succumb to is money for hostages. We could have had them back 5 years ago, but it is not the policy of our country to get hostages back for cash. Good Old USA does one for the home team. Sorry you are not as happy as the folks in our country should be. Maybe if your relative were being held hostage, you might have a different feeling about the rescue.
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HUN I know more then the whole story. I have followed the mens case since their plane was shot down well more then 5 years ago. I know the wives since I have helped set up the interviews of them just a year ago. Maybe there are some things, you will never know since they are classified. Wonder why we can not make progress in the Middle East? Well look at our news organizations. We want to know everything, well our enemies know everything too when our government tells the general public information. We can never win any war, in this day and age with the news organizations always outting every plan our military has. The way the escaped was planned and there have been many plans for recovery both from the government sector and the private sector as well. The mens employer, has tried to make numerous rescue plans. One thing we would not succumb to is money for hostages. We could have had them back 5 years ago, but it is not the policy of our country to get hostages back for cash. Good Old USA does one for the home team. Sorry you are not as happy as the folks in our country should be. Maybe if your relative were being held hostage, you might have a different feeling about the rescue.
Please don't misunderstand me. I am very happy the hostages are free.
I applaud your efforts working with the wives of the hostages and your part in setting up interviews that allowed to keep the situation in the news.
I don't pretend to be an expert on the Colombian situation, I only know what I've heard from the few Colombian people I know who have expressed their own feelings to me and what I've been able to discern from the news..most of which I feel is filtered and sanitised to the point where it is benign for the most part.
I haven't had to dig to far to learn that the relationship between Mexico's Vincente Fox and George Bush in respect to nafta is not at all what is being reported by the news media. It doesn't take much to connect the dots of events of the last few years with the Colombian government as well as Panama and Venezuela. I agreed with earlier posts on this thread about the similarities between current events and Iran-Contra for example.
But again, I'm very happy for the hostages and their families and I thank you for your efforts and insight.

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HUN I know more then the whole story. I have followed the mens case since their plane was shot down well more then 5 years ago. I know the wives since I have helped set up the interviews of them just a year ago. Maybe there are some things, you will never know since they are classified. Wonder why we can not make progress in the Middle East? Well look at our news organizations. We want to know everything, well our enemies know everything too when our government tells the general public information. We can never win any war, in this day and age with the news organizations always outting every plan our military has. The way the escaped was planned and there have been many plans for recovery both from the government sector and the private sector as well. The mens employer, has tried to make numerous rescue plans. One thing we would not succumb to is money for hostages. We could have had them back 5 years ago, but it is not the policy of our country to get hostages back for cash. Good Old USA does one for the home team. Sorry you are not as happy as the folks in our country should be. Maybe if your relative were being held hostage, you might have a different feeling about the rescue.
I am truley very happy that the men and women are safely home with their families. I could not imagine being held against my will for that long period of time. I would also like to thank you wolf for your participation on freeing these men and women. This hits all to close to home for me. I know many that work for that company, and I too have followed this for years. My husband works for the private sector (not this company) and I would die..if this were to happen to him.
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