The White Community: "Roderick Scott? Who is that?"

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Happy Gilmore

Hamburg, NY

#1 Jul 18, 2013
In light of the T vs G thang:
I lifted this from FaceBook:
Two of my good friends Holly and Michael shared articles with me about the Roderick Scott case and I have been researching this case along with the Trayvon Martin case. Folks, I have to tell you, the similarities are striking. The difference here is that the shooter Roderick Scott is a Black man and the victim, Christopher Cervini, was a white teen. Now of course, New York's gun law's are more strict than Florida but Scott, like Zimmerman, called 911 BEFORE shooting. Scott thought Cervini was trying to break into a neighbor's car. What is even more interesting is that most of you probably have never heard of this incident, which took place not that long ago in 2009.
There were no marches, no protests and no media coverage on television except locally and some online. President Obama didn't speak on this case.The 911 call Scott made was released but is not on Youtube. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson didn't show their faces and Geraldo Rivera didn't blame Cervini's clothing attire for him being shot. Scott also was not investigated for a hate crime even though his victim was white and only the local law enforcement investigated this case. Now some will argue that in Zimmerman's case because Martin is black the "white"man will get off or never be charged. In fact, one HUGE difference between the two cases is that Scott WAS arrested, he WAS tried in a court of law but ultimately found NOT guilty of manslaughter. To be fair, I think that the reason he was arrested IS because New York does not have the "Stand Your Ground" law, not just because he was Black, and I can't eliminate nor assert race as a factor for the arrest because it is impossible for me to know what the arresting officers were thinking when they arrested him.
Writer Michael Filozof of the American Thinker website shared this in his recent article and I concur:
"New York law does allow a person to use deadly force anywhere, including off his own property, if he feels that his life is in imminent danger and retreat is not possible. Despite the fact that he left his own property, confronted, and shot dead an unarmed white person thought to be committing a petty property crime, Scott was acquitted by a majority-white jury after claiming that Cervini charged at him, putting him in imminent fear of his life.
Despite the racial difference between the shooter and the decedent, there were no allegations of racial bias. Scott was not charged with a hate crime. There was no Federal civil rights investigation. There were no white protests. The case was settled for what it was: a tragedy caused by a series of poor decisions on behalf of the shooter, and a split-second decision that will forever be second-guessed.
In all probability, the actions of Zimmerman in Florida were also based on a series of poor decisions: the decision to follow a suspect after a police dispatcher told him not to, the decision to confront a suspect with a firearm off his own property, and a split-second decision to shoot an unarmed person when Zimmerman felt his life was in imminent danger, resulting in tragedy. But a tragedy is not necessarily a Federal civil rights case - unless the mobs in the streets and their allies in the media and government want to make it one."
Happy Gilmore

Hamburg, NY

#2 Jul 18, 2013
Now let's be honest with ourselves - muffled, alleged, racial epithet and assumption that the pronoun "they"automatically means "Black person" aside there is nothing about the Zimmerman case that can directly be linked to a racist motive at all. A white person is not racist just by virtue of being white, nor is any member of any other race.We simply cannot know with certainty what was in George Zimmerman's mind at the time. We simply cannot assume that every time a White... I mean Hispanic...no I mean White Hispanic (smh @ the conflicting "races"reported day after day by Liberal media outlets) has his or her eye on a Black person, that they are RACIALLY profiling the person. If you are now thinking "but he was profiling him!"go back and read again, I emphasized racial, I DID NOT say he was not profiling him.
After all, Zimmerman called the police on "suspicious persons" many times since January of 2011 and not all of them were Black but most of them were false alarms. Now as a few have pointed out to me, in the Scott case, there were no questions surrounding the sloppiness of the police investigation as in the Zimmerman case. I will respond in this manner: The fact that there was no alleged "sloppy police work" in the Scott case further proves the point that when a black man is the perpetrator, and the victim is white, in this country he absolutely CAN receive a fair arrest and trial. Many black people love to lament about shoddy police work when a black person is the perpetrator and think that if a black person kills a white person, the "system"will fail to be fair due to racism. I'm not saying that the judicial system does not have flaws or racist elements, but given this rampant consensus, we would expect the police to come under fire in the Scott case and this was not the case because they did an unbiased job. The NY police did their job fairly and by the book and I applaud them for that. There are so many criminal cases in which the perpetrator was Black and the police work was questionable. Trust me THIS difference in the cases is a GREAT thing given the percentage of Black men who make up the US prison populations. Secondly, keep in mind that an accusation of mishandling the investigation and actual evidence of it are two different things.
After digging deeper than the surface that is the Liberal media, I think Zimmerman is a rogue, wannabe rent-a-cop who is trigger happy and probably suffering from some deranged "hero complex" wanting to "catch the bad guy" but that does not necessarily make him a racist. He probably thought he was stopping a potential criminal from committing a crime and would get his picture in the paper and receive many accolades from the community. Oh how his heroic fantasies have turned out to be a complete nightmare. I just find it very interesting that there was no investigation by the Department of Justice to determine whether or not the Scott case was a HATE crime. In the Scott 911 call, he first describes Cervini as a white male just as Zimmerman's first description was of Martin's race. Many will say that on the Zimmerman 911 call, he used the racial epithet "f****** coon" but I must admit, I just didn't hear it and I won't pretend to hear something that I don't in order to justify my feeling that this is a racial killing. Sometimes, when some people WANT to hear something, they do and the same can be said for some that don't - sometimes. Now, let me clarify,(because someone is bound to tell me that I said he didn't say the epithet) I didn't say that Zimmerman did not use the epithet, I said that I didn't/couldn't hear it. If Zimmerman did in fact say it (and I hope that audio/digital specialists can clear this up) then that changes everything.
Happy Gilmore

Hamburg, NY

#3 Jul 18, 2013
In the end, both deaths are tragedies, and neither life is more or less valuable than the other. Neither shooter more or less culpable than the other. I know the Cervini family must be re-living their son's death all over again as we all mourn the loss of Trayvon Martin because of the similarities. I know the hearts of the Martin family must be still filled with grief and we grieve with them. I hope and pray that George Zimmerman is arrested and faces trial for taking another life. If it is self-defense, let the courts decide, not the mob and not the media. Nothing bothers me more than widespread incendiary, biased Liberal reporting which taints potential jury pools. Roderick Scott had a fair trial so let us insure that George Zimmerman has a fair trial once charged with a crime. Let us also not make the mistake of overshadowing the Martin tragedy with politics by accusing President Obama of having Trayvon Martin killed for political gain (yes some have gone there and I don't entertain wild conspiracy theories), overanalyzing the fact that Zimmerman is a registered Democrat or in the case of MSNBC political analyst Karen Finney, blaming the so-called "environment" supposedly created by Republicans for the death of Trayvon Martin. When we politicize tragic, non-political events, we simply dishonor the lives lost in the process and I for one won't take part in that foolishness. Remember, the rule of law, not the rule of the mob and not the media.
Jeff

Pittsford, NY

#4 Jul 18, 2013
This was really interesting. Read every word. NOT.

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#5 Jul 18, 2013

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#8 Jul 18, 2013
Steelers Rock wrote:
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Well I DID read EVERY word and agree wholeheartedly about the similarities. I have discussed this with MANY people who had NO IDEA who Cervini and Scott were and were shocked that he got away with MURDERING a CHILD in COLD BLOOD. Cervini was first shot in THE BACK. The shot twirled him around where Scott shot him again. Where are the protests? Where is the mainstream, liberal media? NOWHERE! Because Cervini was WHITE and his MURDERER was BLACK. Get it? Good. Because I certainly do.
I'm sorry Steel, but Scott did nothing wrong either.Cervini go what he got because of his own actions.It was not murder.
Steelers Smokes Rocks

Rochester, NY

#9 Jul 18, 2013
The Roderick Scott case has very little similarities to Trayvon Martin. Cervini was out at an odd hour committing crimes.

Trayvon was on his way home at a decent hour from the store, not committing any crime.
Steelers Smokes Rocks

Rochester, NY

#10 Jul 18, 2013
Steelers Rock wrote:
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Well I DID read EVERY word and agree wholeheartedly about the similarities. I have discussed this with MANY people who had NO IDEA who Cervini and Scott were and were shocked that he got away with MURDERING a CHILD in COLD BLOOD. Cervini was first shot in THE BACK. The shot twirled him around where Scott shot him again. Where are the protests? Where is the mainstream, liberal media? NOWHERE! Because Cervini was WHITE and his MURDERER was BLACK. Get it? Good. Because I certainly do.
You sound like you were there to witness this hero killing a criminal. you should have had your scared ass out protesting since you are so politically concerned, chump.
Steelers Smokes Rocks

Rochester, NY

#11 Jul 18, 2013
FTW Yall wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sorry Steel, but Scott did nothing wrong either.Cervini go what he got because of his own actions.It was not murder.
The monster mash has spoken a truth for once.
TheFakeBarnhart

Rochester, NY

#12 Jul 18, 2013
the similarities are striking???

Really???

The dead white kid was breaking into car and stealing, he was a criminal.

The black kid was walking home with skittles and an ice tea which he both paid for.

The white kid was killed in a white neighborhood.
The black kid was killed in a white neighborhood.

The black man would have shot the kid no matter if the kid was white or black.

The White man wouldn't have shot a white kid, he wouldn't have even got out of his car for a white kid. He was only following Martin cause he was black, he looked "suspicious" cause he was black with a hoodie.
mike

Schenectady, NY

#13 Jul 18, 2013
TheFakeBarnhart wrote:
the similarities are striking???
Really???
The dead white kid was breaking into car and stealing, he was a criminal.
The black kid was walking home with skittles and an ice tea which he both paid for.
The white kid was killed in a white neighborhood.
The black kid was killed in a white neighborhood.
The black man would have shot the kid no matter if the kid was white or black.
The White man wouldn't have shot a white kid, he wouldn't have even got out of his car for a white kid. He was only following Martin cause he was black, he looked "suspicious" cause he was black with a hoodie.
AYou left out the part about the black kid attacking zimmerman! How convenient. Last I knew, attacking someone was on par with breaking into a car! Selective memory

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Since: Jul 13

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#14 Jul 18, 2013
TheFakeBarnhart wrote:
the similarities are striking???
Really???
The dead white kid was breaking into car and stealing, he was a criminal.
The black kid was walking home with skittles and an ice tea which he both paid for.
The white kid was killed in a white neighborhood.
The black kid was killed in a white neighborhood.
The black man would have shot the kid no matter if the kid was white or black.
The White man wouldn't have shot a white kid, he wouldn't have even got out of his car for a white kid. He was only following Martin cause he was black, he looked "suspicious" cause he was black with a hoodie.
What the black was out doing is irrelevant. It is so because he attacked Zimmerman. As soon as he attacked he in fact did commit a crime. Do we know Trevon was or was not committing a crime? No. Did Zimmerman? No. There were burglary tools ditched very close to the act. Is that proof they were his. No. Does that and Treyvon's shady past raise suspicion. Yes, but it is no way proof. Did Treyvon attack Zimmerman first? All indications and evidence say yes.Did Treyvon commit a crime when he decided to attack? Yes. Did Zimmerman have a right to defend himself with whatever force he felt was warranted? Absolutely. Is him deciding to follow Treyvon because he felt he was suspicious mean that puts guilt on him and excuse Treyvon from attack? Not at all.

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#15 Jul 18, 2013
This video says it all about Treyvon and Zimmerman case.

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#16 Jul 18, 2013
Steelers Smokes Rocks wrote:
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The monster mash has spoken a truth for once.
Not once always.You have confused with yourself.
FTW is stupid

Rochester, NY

#17 Jul 18, 2013
FTW Yall wrote:
<quoted text>What the black was out doing is irrelevant. It is so because he attacked Zimmerman. As soon as he attacked he in fact did commit a crime. Do we know Trevon was or was not committing a crime? No. Did Zimmerman? No. There were burglary tools ditched very close to the act. Is that proof they were his. No. Does that and Treyvon's shady past raise suspicion. Yes, but it is no way proof. Did Treyvon attack Zimmerman first? All indications and evidence say yes.Did Treyvon commit a crime when he decided to attack? Yes. Did Zimmerman have a right to defend himself with whatever force he felt was warranted? Absolutely. Is him deciding to follow Treyvon because he felt he was suspicious mean that puts guilt on him and excuse Treyvon from attack? Not at all.
your explanation and face says it all. total horror and confusion

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Since: Jul 13

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#18 Jul 18, 2013
FTW is stupid wrote:
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your explanation and face says it all. total horror and confusion
What can I say. Logic and reason are not your or your crews area of expertise.
TheFakeBarnhart

Rochester, NY

#19 Jul 19, 2013
mike wrote:
<quoted text>AYou left out the part about the black kid attacking zimmerman! How convenient. Last I knew, attacking someone was on par with breaking into a car! Selective memory
How do you know that martin attacked anyone?
TheFakeBarnhart

Rochester, NY

#20 Jul 19, 2013
FTW Yall wrote:
<quoted text>What the black was out doing is irrelevant. It is so because he attacked Zimmerman. As soon as he attacked he in fact did commit a crime. Do we know Trevon was or was not committing a crime? No. Did Zimmerman? No. There were burglary tools ditched very close to the act. Is that proof they were his. No. Does that and Treyvon's shady past raise suspicion. Yes, but it is no way proof. Did Treyvon attack Zimmerman first? All indications and evidence say yes.Did Treyvon commit a crime when he decided to attack? Yes. Did Zimmerman have a right to defend himself with whatever force he felt was warranted? Absolutely. Is him deciding to follow Treyvon because he felt he was suspicious mean that puts guilt on him and excuse Treyvon from attack? Not at all.
how do we know then if Zimmerman or Rodrick wasn't committing a crime?
TheFakeBarnhart

Rochester, NY

#21 Jul 19, 2013
Just like white sean carroll is assuming the 5 white kids had to stop at a stop sign, you people are assume that the white guy must have been attacked first.

You are all racist and this alone proves it.
You People

Canandaigua, NY

#22 Jul 19, 2013
Steelers Smokes Rocks wrote:
The Roderick Scott case has very little similarities to Trayvon Martin. Cervini was out at an odd hour committing crimes.
Trayvon was on his way home at a decent hour from the store, not committing any crime.
So jumping on someone and smashing their head into the ground isn't a crime?

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