Part 3: At troubled rental sites, more pain for the landlords

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Take Action wrote:

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Don't be scared off by the North Oaks people. Also signs need to be posted every 500 feet which they are not. SO PROTEST AWAY.
609.605 TRESPASS.
Subdivision 1.Misdemeanor.
(a) The following terms have the meanings given them for purposes of this section.
(1) "Premises" means real property and any appurtenant building or structure.
(2) "Dwelling" means the building or part of a building used by an individual as a place of residence on either a full-time or a part-time basis. A dwelling may be part of a multidwelling or multipurpose building, or a manufactured home as defined in section 168.002, subdivision 16.
(3) "Construction site" means the site of the construction, alteration, painting, or repair of a building or structure.
(4) "Owner or lawful possessor," as used in paragraph (b), clause (9), means the person on whose behalf a building or dwelling is being constructed, altered, painted, or repaired and the general contractor or subcontractor engaged in that work.
(5) "Posted," as used:
(i) in paragraph (b), clause (4), means the placement of a sign at least 8-1/2 inches by 11 inches in a conspicuous place on the exterior of the building, or in a conspicuous place within the property on which the building is located. The sign must carry a general notice warning against trespass;
(ii) in paragraph (b), clause (9), means the placement of a sign at least 8-1/2 inches by 11 inches in a conspicuous place on the exterior of the building that is under construction, alteration, or repair, or in a conspicuous place within the area being protected. If the area being protected is less than three acres, one additional sign must be conspicuously placed within that area. If the area being protected is three acres but less than ten acres, two additional signs must be conspicuously placed within that area. For each additional full ten acres of area being protected beyond the first ten acres of area, two additional signs must be conspicuously placed within the area being protected. The sign must carry a general notice warning against trespass; and
(iii) in paragraph (b), clause (10), means the placement of signs that:
(A) carry a general notice warning against trespass;
(B) display letters at least two inches high;
(C) state that Minnesota law prohibits trespassing on the property; and
(D) are posted in a conspicuous place and at intervals of 500 feet or less.
(7) "Building" has the meaning given in section 609.581, subdivision 2.
(b) A person is guilty of a misdemeanor if the person intentionally:
(2) interferes unlawfully with a monument, sign, or pointer erected or marked to designate a point of a boundary, line or a political subdivision, or of a tract of land;
(3) trespasses on the premises of another and, without claim of right, refuses to depart from the premises on demand of the lawful possessor;
(4) occupies or enters the dwelling or locked or posted building of another, without claim of right or consent of the owner or the consent of one who has the right to give consent, except in an emergency situation;
(5) enters the premises of another with intent to take or injure any fruit, fruit trees, or vegetables growing on the premises, without the permission of the owner or occupant;
(6) enters or is found on the premises of a public or private cemetery without authorization during hours the cemetery is posted as closed to the public;
(7) returns to the property of another with the intent to abuse, disturb, or cause distress in or threaten another, after being told to leave the property and not to return, if the actor is without claim of right to the property or consent of one with authority to consent;

LeDumbo wrote:

<quoted text>I was pointing out that allowing the city to put pressure on landlords by withholding section 8 would be used in the cities' economic interests as well as its "why can't we all just get along" interests. Comparing notes is fine, getting rid of bad landlords is fine, it't just that Lee Helgen and Kathy Lantry's definition of a bad landlord may differ from the majority of the public's definition. Those problem renters that end up being forced out by landlords due to city pressure? They end up in the city's housing. Coincidence?

Duh wrote:

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Hey, bozo, it is the duty of the housing inspectors to ENFORCE the existing laws, not make laws or choose which laws to enforce. If you disagree with the laws, contact your City Council member.

LeDumbo wrote:

<quoted text>Yeah, like that would work in St Paul. Helgen and Lantry selectively enforce laws that may or may not be there

Cammi wrote:

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If that is true, then prove it and Helgen and Lantry will be disciplined or terminated.
I'll bet you are all mouth and no truth.

Cammi wrote:

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If that is true, then prove it and Helgen and Lantry will be disciplined or terminated.
I'll bet you are all mouth and no truth.

LeDumbo wrote:

<quoted text>... You have city inspectors, county inspectors, state inspectors, and now you want more federal inspectors....If you make the regulation too stringent, more landlords will just refuse to take Section 8. I do.

Madaman wrote:

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NO, NO, NO! That is NOT what I said! There are ALREADY Federal inspectors, for the physical attributes of the properties -- in addition to the myriad of other inspectors that you list. Please read more carefully.
What I am calling for is for Section 8 to take an Overview of each property -- review not only the reports from their own EXISTING inspectors, but also review the reports of local inspectors and reports of proceedings against Section 8 landlords (e.g., license revocation proceedings) and the results of those proceedings.
If anyone at Section 8 was paying attention to these slumlords, they would lose their eligibility for Federal funds, and probably sell or lose their buildings to more responsible owners. THAT is how a free market would work -- without the distortion of unsupervised Federal funding.
You do not take Section 8 funding. You are probably a responsible landlord who does not require endless inspections and revocation hearings to provide decent living quarters for your tenants.

steve baker wrote:

Section 8 - Learn about it.

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Duh wrote:

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Hey, idiot, it IS posted NO TRESPASSING at all entrances to North Oaks, and trespassers HAVE been successfully prosecuted.
ALL land within North Oaks is private property.

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CODE OF JUSTICE wrote:

CRIME IS CRIME IS CRIME . NO MATTER WHERE IT IS OR HOW ONE WANTS TO DO IT. THIS IS ONE OF THE CRIMES THAT MANY GET AWAY WITH . LANDLORDS NEED TO BE FINED AS CRIMINALS IN THESE CASES AS THEY DID NOT HONOR THE LEASES THAT WERE BINDING . THEY TOOK MONEY BUT DID NOT COME THRU WITH WHAT THEY PROMISED . SO HOW DO YOU SOLVE THIS . WELL ,. ANY LANDLORD OR OWNER WHO IS KNOWN TO HAVE DONE THIS IS TO PAY A HEFTY FINE . ALSO MAYBE COMMUNITY TIME WOULD DO THEM SOME GOOD TO SEE WHAT IT IS TO REALLY BE THERE FOR THOSE AROUND THEM . NEXT DO NOT GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO EVER BUY OR RUN ANOTHER PROPERTY . IF THEY DO . WELL THEY WILL HAVE A NEW APARTMENT WAITING FOR THEM , ONE THAT IS ABOUT 3FT BY 3FT ONE MAYBE THEY WILL HAVE ALLOT OF FRIENDS SOME THAT COME UNINVITED . SO MAYBE IF THEY WANT TO MAKE THESE CHOICES THEY MAKE THEN MAYBE THE LAW AND THE STATE NEEDS TO MAKE CHOICES FOR THEM .
TO MANY COMPLEXES IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA ARE THIS WAY EVEN THE ONES THAT HAVE ALL THE ETIQUETTE NICE APPEARANCES TO IT .
YET DO WE KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE TENANTS INSIDE AND HOW THEY ARE TRULY BEING TREATED ,. JUST BECAUSE THEY LIVE THERE .
DO NOT ALLOW MANAGEMENT AND LANDLORDS OR OWNERS TO MAKE MONEY A PRIORITY OVER HOW THE TREAT THE TENANTS WHO LIVE IN THEIR BUILDING . BUY DOING THIS THE TENANT IS THE LAST THING THEY THINK ABOUT IF AT ALL . UNLESS THE RENT IS LATE THEN THEY WILL CHASE THEM DOWN EVEN MAYBE IF THEY ARE IN THE HOSPITAL TO LET THEM KNOW THEY NOW HAVE A LATE CHARGE ONTOP OF THE ALREADY HIGH RENTS THE GET AWAY WITH . REGULATIONS AND CODE DO NEED TO BE SET LANDLORDS NEED TO SIGN A LEASE ALSO WITH THE STATE /THE CITY / AND THE TENANT .