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Suffolk police labor officials under investigation

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Suffolk Police Commissioner Richard Dormer confirmed that internal affairs has launched a multipronged probe into allegations that police labor officials were doing union business on county time, organizing a ...

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What is wrong with these Suffolk Cops? Are they serious? Maybe they are not making enough money and want to beat the female and feel better.
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With respect to the firehouse incident. Let's call it that shall we. I think mr Digerolamo Is not being entirely truthful. It was an organized action conducted by off duty 5th pct Suffolk County Police Officers at 7AM at a well known Deputy relief point. They blocked the entrance of the parking lot with their vehicle or vehicle's preventing the deputy access in her normal fashion. They also weren't the most friendly towards her if one can put it nicely. Deputy supervisors had to respond.

Before any SCPO's try to deny it as something less I ask you to review the minutes of the Suffolk County Police Conference Meeting Approximately 2 weeks ago where the 5th Pct PBA Trustee admitted to organizing and participating in the demonstration at the firehouse. His statement was along the lines of "We wanted to send a message." WHAT MESSAGE DO YOU THINK YOU ARE SENDING BY HAVING 30 SCPO'S SURROUND A SINGLE FEMALE DEPUTY! WHAT MESSAGE!

One more thing. There were SCPO'S who refused to participate which I can say good for them for resisting stupidity at "Pun Intended" it's FINEST. Unfortunately I hear they are paying a heavy price for that now. What was the word I heard, oh yeah "Deputy Lovers".

In final, you stepped over the line and some of you, maybe all should and probably will get burned to some degree over "The Firehouse Incident."
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Im not a fan of Steve Levy in any way. I consider him a liar and BS artist who is trying so desparately to place the blame for the counties fiscal mess on every one but his own house. But if this action did happen, then the SCPD should have its ranks thinned out. What would these idiots have done if the State had agreed to take over. Do they think the State Police would tolerate this behavior ?
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the problem is... once again there will not be a meaningful investigation!!!
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It will be very hard for the SCP IAB to not look at what was said at the Suffolk county police conference meeting and not do a meaningful investigation. After, their recommendations/findings to the commissioner "depending on how he wants them to work of course" those responsible will have to sweat it out and hope it ends there with no action taken. I give it a 50/50 shot either way now that it's been released to the public.
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What were you thinking wrote:
It will be very hard for the SCP IAB to not look at what was said at the Suffolk county police conference meeting and not do a meaningful investigation. After, their recommendations/findings to the commissioner "depending on how he wants them to work of course" those responsible will have to sweat it out and hope it ends there with no action taken. I give it a 50/50 shot either way now that it's been released to the public.
Who are they going to refer it to if they find and criminal conduct? The Suffolk County District Attorney?

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The names of the officers should be listed in Newsday.
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Who are they going to refer it to if they find and criminal conduct? The Suffolk County District Attorney?
From what I understand of IAB'S in general is they conduct an investigation and present their findings and recommendations to superiors. Usually the highest who is the commissioner or chief. Iab does not arrest or fire anyone. That is generally up to the discretion of the Police Commissioner. It could be handled internally with loss of wages, vacation days, or demotions, etc. etc.. If criminal wrong doing was determined than those charges could be initiated in house or referred to the district attorney. Point is however the department wants to play it.
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This is more proof of Jeff Frayler's thugery.
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What were you thinking wrote:
With respect to the firehouse incident. Let's call it that shall we. I think mr Digerolamo Is not being entirely truthful. It was an organized action conducted by off duty 5th pct Suffolk County Police Officers at 7AM at a well known Deputy relief point. They blocked the entrance of the parking lot with their vehicle or vehicle's preventing the deputy access in her normal fashion. They also weren't the most friendly towards her if one can put it nicely. Deputy supervisors had to respond.
Before any SCPO's try to deny it as something less I ask you to review the minutes of the Suffolk County Police Conference Meeting Approximately 2 weeks ago where the 5th Pct PBA Trustee admitted to organizing and participating in the demonstration at the firehouse. His statement was along the lines of "We wanted to send a message." WHAT MESSAGE DO YOU THINK YOU ARE SENDING BY HAVING 30 SCPO'S SURROUND A SINGLE FEMALE DEPUTY! WHAT MESSAGE!
One more thing. There were SCPO'S who refused to participate which I can say good for them for resisting stupidity at "Pun Intended" it's FINEST. Unfortunately I hear they are paying a heavy price for that now. What was the word I heard, oh yeah "Deputy Lovers".
In final, you stepped over the line and some of you, maybe all should and probably will get burned to some degree over "The Firehouse Incident."
Are you kidding me. When one labor union has a hostile takeover of another labor unions function the members can meet and protest if they want to. If this were the steam fitters or a contractor union there would be RATS everywhere and people would be honking horns and cheering. Nothing criminal was done at all so what investigation needs to be done. Suffolk county deputies should not be on the highway's PERIOD. They all did not go to the police academy as there were many lateral transfers from other agencies. There function is not of police work. There overtime is through the roof right now and there is no monetary savings to anyone. The sheriff's union also knows that they are understaffed, under equipped and not propperly trained or prepared to patrol anything, let alone 2 of the most deadly roads in N.Y.S. No matter what Levy or anyone else tells you this action will only hurt tax payers in the end and that is a fact. Stop the nonsense.
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What were you thinking wrote:
With respect to the firehouse incident. Let's call it that shall we. I think mr Digerolamo Is not being entirely truthful. It was an organized action conducted by off duty 5th pct Suffolk County Police Officers at 7AM at a well known Deputy relief point. They blocked the entrance of the parking lot with their vehicle or vehicle's preventing the deputy access in her normal fashion. They also weren't the most friendly towards her if one can put it nicely. Deputy supervisors had to respond.
Before any SCPO's try to deny it as something less I ask you to review the minutes of the Suffolk County Police Conference Meeting Approximately 2 weeks ago where the 5th Pct PBA Trustee admitted to organizing and participating in the demonstration at the firehouse. His statement was along the lines of "We wanted to send a message." WHAT MESSAGE DO YOU THINK YOU ARE SENDING BY HAVING 30 SCPO'S SURROUND A SINGLE FEMALE DEPUTY! WHAT MESSAGE!
One more thing. There were SCPO'S who refused to participate which I can say good for them for resisting stupidity at "Pun Intended" it's FINEST. Unfortunately I hear they are paying a heavy price for that now. What was the word I heard, oh yeah "Deputy Lovers".
In final, you stepped over the line and some of you, maybe all should and probably will get burned to some degree over "The Firehouse Incident."
And I forgot to add the complete uproar that was made when Suffolk County Corrections Officers took over functions at first district court a few years ago. Every deputy sheriff went nuts, and protested to anyone that would listen and eventually the order was reversed. Same situation now, except much more public, and extremly more wrong. The argument is not with individual deputies but the sheriff himself. Nobody intimidated anyone at that firehouse either, and like I said before there is nothing criminal or worth investigating. Levy seems to be winning in pitting union against union, and in the end cop against deputy. The intersting situation is going to be when Levy goes after you guys. Hopefully the PBA will be men and back you up unlike the dep's union leadership. Cowards, and they know it.
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pba must think the public is stupid...a union meeting at 7am at a firehouse parking lot?? that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You didnt think about moving the meeting inside? Or were you purposely trying to harrass a female deputy sheriff? Why was the entrance blocked?

you guys should be ashamed of yourselves
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<quoted text>Are you kidding me. When one labor union has a hostile takeover of another labor unions function the members can meet and protest if they want to. If this were the steam fitters or a contractor union there would be RATS everywhere and people would be honking horns and cheering. Nothing criminal was done at all so what investigation needs to be done. Suffolk county deputies should not be on the highway's PERIOD. They all did not go to the police academy as there were many lateral transfers from other agencies. There function is not of police work. There overtime is through the roof right now and there is no monetary savings to anyone. The sheriff's union also knows that they are understaffed, under equipped and not propperly trained or prepared to patrol anything, let alone 2 of the most deadly roads in N.Y.S. No matter what Levy or anyone else tells you this action will only hurt tax payers in the end and that is a fact. Stop the nonsense.
Hmmm, where to begin to answer your SCPBA diatribe of nonsense. To begin with the SCSO union did not conduct a hostile takeover. No union was involved in the decision. Scpd Commissioner ORDERED them off. Elected by the people Sheriff DEMARCO ORDERED the Deputies on. Refusal to obey lawful orders is an art 75 out the door.
One of your guys did bring a rat to the legislative meeting by the way. A little one for your little argument. You see unlike the steam fitters as you mentioned the scpba have a few more restrictions on how they act on and off duty. Hint, conduct unbecoming. I find it disturbing that you don't deny it happened. That anyone would be HONKING THEIR HORNS as 30 PO'S surround a female deputy and block the entrance to the firehouse with their cars. We can argue all night if OGA was committed or not, but I don't have too because SCP IAB will be the ones to decide that.
As for laterals, OK where did they come from? Let me guess NYPD. Please tell me there not qualified either.
Overtime is not through the roof. The Sheriff's office is right on budget. Part of that budget is for OT by the way.
The sheriff's office is a police agency. That's why the deputies go to the police academy. There job is policing. Let's see, they have marine bureau, k-9, dive teams, snipers, bike patrols, ATV enforcement details, parade and special event details, warrant units, airport operations, and gang education programs. Your DARE went bye bye and that program you have now isn't going anywhere fast by the way. Not done yet, they also have deputies in East End Drug Task Force, DEA, Customs, and the US Marshals. They do their own Homicide Investigations too. Have their own warrants issued as well. Sounds like they do Lot's of Police work. They also do work that Suffolk's Finest BY LAW can't.
The Sheriff's office is at the Highest amount of Deputies in it's 300 plus year existence. They have plenty of equipment and are trained by the same guys that trained scpo's.
You can play the danger card and cost card all day. You will never win it. The public is not buying it and the actions of the SCPBA are not winning their heart and minds. Bottom line is scpba priced themselves out of their jobs. They allowed another agency who can do everything the SCP can, but SCP can't do everything the SCSO can to fall dramatically behind in salary and benefits.
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<quoted text>And I forgot to add the complete uproar that was made when Suffolk County Corrections Officers took over functions at first district court a few years ago. Every deputy sheriff went nuts, and protested to anyone that would listen and eventually the order was reversed. Same situation now, except much more public, and extremly more wrong. The argument is not with individual deputies but the sheriff himself. Nobody intimidated anyone at that firehouse either, and like I said before there is nothing criminal or worth investigating. Levy seems to be winning in pitting union against union, and in the end cop against deputy. The intersting situation is going to be when Levy goes after you guys. Hopefully the PBA will be men and back you up unlike the dep's union leadership. Cowards, and they know it.
Really, not with the individual deputy huh. Then explain why the SCPBA has been actively going after the deputies 20 year retirement. Of course you know the NYS Retirement system in Albany told your former chief to go back to Suffolk County for as far as they felt they are Police officers and their test is acceptable.
30 Po's confronting a single female deputy in it self is intimidating. Not one person I talked to doesn't look at it for what it was. That's why IAB is involved.
Hopefully the PBA will back the deputies up, "Are You Kidding Me." Like they did when the CO'S took District Court. You guys Backed TISCH. Don't you remember all the money you sent him and the billboards you put up. Yeah sure it's only Levy pitting union against union. The SCPBA has crossed many lines lately and now it's time to pay up.
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Will all you sexists stop? The gender of the deputy sheriff in the alledged incident (do we have proof to back either side?) Should not matter.

By all your comments, you infer that a male deputy sheriff is so much heartier than a female. Please, continue to slap down the female gender as weak and in need of protection over what at most boils down to a parking spot dispute.
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I would bulldog a female deputy sheriff on union time.
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Massapequa Ny sure has a lot to say about what happens in Sufflok considering he or she doesnt even live in the county. Must be one of those Deputy scabs. I guess it wasnt ok when the correction officers took over 1st district court from the DS scabs a few years back, so they sued through PERB and got 1st district court back..Sound familiar Mr. Massapequa? Same situation as the whole HBP mess that Levy has lied to the public about. Guess the scabs should enjoy their time playing real cop before they go back to their main function. Levy himself admitted in a prior article that highway patrol is not their job. Again, sounds like Mr. Steve is losing track of his lies. Rest assured that the truth will come out and like every other politician Mr. Steve has skeletons in his closet that are just hanging around waiting for the right time to appear. Interesting that another Levy aide has left him for a job that pays $1500.00 more a year. I guess he really needed that $28.00 a week more in pay. Remember Steve they said the titanic was unsinkable too...ulitmate power corrupts ultimately.
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Why didnt internal affairs investigate RD when he admitted in fromt of the safety commity that he is doing illegal things with the budget? Guess he is above the law. View the videos of the safety hearings people of suffolk county and you will see who is consistently lying.Dont be swayed by anyones propoganda. Make up your own minds!
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Massapequa Ny sure has a lot to say about what happens in Sufflok considering he or she doesnt even live in the county. Must be one of those Deputy scabs. I guess it wasnt ok when the correction officers took over 1st district court from the DS scabs a few years back, so they sued through PERB and got 1st district court back..Sound familiar Mr. Massapequa? Same situation as the whole HBP mess that Levy has lied to the public about. Guess the scabs should enjoy their time playing real cop before they go back to their main function. Levy himself admitted in a prior article that highway patrol is not their job. Again, sounds like Mr. Steve is losing track of his lies. Rest assured that the truth will come out and like every other politician Mr. Steve has skeletons in his closet that are just hanging around waiting for the right time to appear. Interesting that another Levy aide has left him for a job that pays $1500.00 more a year. I guess he really needed that $28.00 a week more in pay. Remember Steve they said the titanic was unsinkable too...ulitmate power corrupts ultimately.
Yes I do have a lot to say. Your term SCAB is misleading and not an appropriate definition as to what has occurred. If you read all my posts than you know SCPD was pulled off. Abandoned on order of the commissioner. SCPD never STRIKED. Sheriff Demarco ordered, not asked deputies onto what was Abandoned. Get It! Oh yeah and I guess the state troopers would be scabs too if Patterson sent them down. Here's a little more help for you.

A strikebreaker (also called scab or knobstick) is a person who works despite an ongoing strike. Strikebreakers are usually individuals who are not employed by the company prior to the trade union dispute, but rather hired prior to or during the strike to keep production or services going. "Strikebreakers" may also refer to be workers (union members or not) who cross picket lines to work.

Strikebreakers are a worldwide phenomenon, often occurring wherever workers go on strike or engage in job actions that slow down or stop the delivery of goods and/or services. However, strikebreakers are used far more frequently in the United States than in any other industrialized country.[

No picket lines to cross. No voluntary actions. All deputies were employed by Suffolk County before SCPD was pulled. COME WITH A BETTER TERM! Yours doesn't cut it.

As for 1DC. 1 Sheriff put the CO'S in 1 took them out. Not Perb.

Get your facts straight. Deputies are real cops. That is there main function. They just have other functions as well which SCPO'S can't do. Unless of course youre talking about Fugitive Squad. They still bonded by the Sheriff? I hear that may not be for much longer. They get that same certificate you do. Have more authority, jurisdiction and powers of arrest than you do. They have been making arrests, giving out tickets, and helping people on those roads and all the other ones way before you even existed. Real Cop. Get real! There are about ten other agencies that do enforcement on those roads. Or did you forget about Suffolk County Park Police that are assigned there during the winter and inclement weather? PSST. Explain that to the perb arbitrator when stating about your exclusivity rights.

In closing my most likely SCPD Former HWY Guy or about to get burned 5th Pct Cop, try to work through your anger issues and stop trying to go after the deputies pension. It's making you guys look bad.
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Hmmm, where to begin to answer your SCPBA diatribe of nonsense. To begin with the SCSO union did not conduct a hostile takeover. No union was involved in the decision. Scpd Commissioner ORDERED them off. Elected by the people Sheriff DEMARCO ORDERED the Deputies on. Refusal to obey lawful orders is an art 75 out the door.
One of your guys did bring a rat to the legislative meeting by the way. A little one for your little argument. You see unlike the steam fitters as you mentioned the scpba have a few more restrictions on how they act on and off duty. Hint, conduct unbecoming. I find it disturbing that you don't deny it happened. That anyone would be HONKING THEIR HORNS as 30 PO'S surround a female deputy and block the entrance to the firehouse with their cars. We can argue all night if OGA was committed or not, but I don't have too because SCP IAB will be the ones to decide that.
As for laterals, OK where did they come from? Let me guess NYPD. Please tell me there not qualified either.
Overtime is not through the roof. The Sheriff's office is right on budget. Part of that budget is for OT by the way.
The sheriff's office is a police agency. That's why the deputies go to the police academy. There job is policing. Let's see, they have marine bureau, k-9, dive teams, snipers, bike patrols, ATV enforcement details, parade and special event details, warrant units, airport operations, and gang education programs. Your DARE went bye bye and that program you have now isn't going anywhere fast by the way. Not done yet, they also have deputies in East End Drug Task Force, DEA, Customs, and the US Marshals. They do their own Homicide Investigations too. Have their own warrants issued as well. Sounds like they do Lot's of Police work. They also do work that Suffolk's Finest BY LAW can't.
The Sheriff's office is at the Highest amount of Deputies in it's 300 plus year existence. They have plenty of equipment and are trained by the same guys that trained scpo's.
You can play the danger card and cost card all day. You will never win it. The public is not buying it and the actions of the SCPBA are not winning their heart and minds. Bottom line is scpba priced themselves out of their jobs. They allowed another agency who can do everything the SCP can, but SCP can't do everything the SCSO can to fall dramatically behind in salary and benefits.
No doubt thw sheriffs are doing there best, but if they are as great as you suggest why to they depend on SCPD for;

1) Detectives for fatal and serious injury accidents?

2) SCPD Police Academy for training?

3) SCPD Emergency Services for hazmat and heavy rescue?

4) SCPD garage for impounds and safety checks?

5) SCPD for motor carrier and commercial vehicle violations?

Seems like the sheriffs only write tickets even though they don't have radars. True police work is transferred to the PD.
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