Energy efficiency: Chico looking at changing housing sale regul...

The world's leading scientists are telling us that we need to greatly reduce carbon emissions by 2020, and to do so we need to put new policies into place by 2012. Are you telling us that the realtors and developers in this town want us to wait 3-5 years to enforce EXISTING codes? What planet are they on? Do these people speak for the entire industry?

here we go again......do this, change, that.....we own our home, not the damned city of chico. Leave us alone and let us keep and sell our houses as we please. We have enough government regulation already without chico being big brother and making us upgrade when it doesn't need it.

Are these people insane?

We are in the worst economic times in memory. People are losing their jobs and homes and these morons want to pile on more regulation?

Liberalism isn't a mental disorder?

Seriously? What accounts for this?

Sustainability Task Force

Dr. Scott G. cNall
Ken Grossman
Jim Pushnik
Kristin Cooper - Carter
Anthony Watts
Jason Bougie
Adam Hansen
Tom DiGiovanni
Lon Glazner
Julian Zener
Jim Goodwin
Jon Luvaas
Jim Stevens
Scott Wolf
Tami Ritter
Ann Schwab, Chair

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Are these people insane?

We are in the worst ecomonic times in memory. People are losing their jobs and homes and these morons want to impose more regulation?

And people wonder how California got voted into a ditch.

Liberalism isn't a mental disorder?

Seriously, what accounts for this?

This city council stays awake and trys to think of new ways to control the citizens of Chico.

This is NOT a controlled society... so why does the City Council get away with wasting their time and ours with things that are not their business.

No wonder they spend so @#%*& much time in chambers when they continue to stomp on home owners privacy rights.

REMEMBER who's doing what to your freedom when the next election comes around. Me? I moved to Oregon and now I may just add my kids name to my house in Chico to get around these controls.

With some older homes these regulations are just unreasonable and older owners cannot afford the City checking up on their homes every 10-20 years making demands. Now if the City were paying for the improvements that would be better, of course.

I was interested in the articles heading and was interested to know if my theory that it would be lengthy were true. I scrolled down and down and then scrolled down some more before giving up and jumping to the posts.
Codes, regulations, fees and penalties more and more and more. I guess now I will go and read what I can tolerate of it.

Well I went back and took another look and attempted to read it but my heart began to sink. I jumped back and read the other post and my spirits are lifted high again. I will give reading the article another shot. Wish me luck! Here I go!

Mark wrote:

The world's leading scientists are telling us that we need to greatly reduce carbon emissions by 2020, and to do so we need to put new policies into place by 2012. Are you telling us that the realtors and developers in this town want us to wait 3-5 years to enforce EXISTING codes? What planet are they on? Do these people speak for the entire industry?

Hey Einstein -

While we're at it here is a site that might interest you.

Its about the job killing misadventures of the California Air Resources Board and why they need to be put out of business.

Enjoy -

www.killcarb.org

Buster202 wrote:

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Hey Einstein -
While we're at it here is a site that might interest you.
Its about the job killing misadventures of the California Air Resources Board and why they need to be put out of business.
Enjoy -
www.killcarb.org

Nice site. Here is a site for you. www.energy.ca.gov/2009publications/.../CEC-15...

Here is the first paragraph:
California is experiencing climate change impacts. These impacts include, among others, sea level rise, increasing temperatures, shifting precipitation trends, extreme weather events, increasing size and duration of wildfires, and earlier melting of The Sierra Nevada snowpack.
All of these impacts affect energy supply and demand and virtually all aspects of related energy infrastructure including electricity, natural gas and fuels (conventional and renewable), transport, conversion, delivery, and use of energy.

Has anyone noticed the shoddy construction and workmanship on some of the new houses going up? Do the inspectors even check the construction, which in some places looks like a bunch of amateurs did it. Then they ask prices like 500 grand? Dream on.

Mark wrote:

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Nice site. Here is a site for you. www.energy.ca.gov/2009publications/.../CEC-15...
Here is the first paragraph:
California is experiencing climate change impacts. These impacts include, among others, sea level rise, increasing temperatures, shifting precipitation trends, extreme weather events, increasing size and duration of wildfires, and earlier melting of The Sierra Nevada snowpack.
All of these impacts affect energy supply and demand and virtually all aspects of related energy infrastructure including electricity, natural gas and fuels (conventional and renewable), transport, conversion, delivery, and use of energy.

Why would anyone believe statistics put out by bureaucrats who's jobs depend on dire statistical warnings?

Sea level rise - really?

Forest fires?- try 100 years of fire supression and fuel build up.

Ever heard of El Nino or El Nina ?-

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CALIFORNIA IN THE FORTIES

THE party whose fortunes I have followed across the plains was not only the first that went direct to California from the east; we were probably the first white people, except Bonneville's party of 1833, that ever crossed the Sierra Nevadas.* Dr. Marsh's ranch, the first settlement reached by us in California, was located in the eastern foothills of the Coast Range Mountains, near the northwestern extremity of the great San Joaquin Valley and about six miles east of Monte Diablo, which may be called about the geographical center of Contra Costa County.

It had been one of the driest years ever known in California. The country was brown and parched, and wheat, beans, and everything had failed. Cattle were almost starving for grass, and the people, except perhaps a few of the best families, were without bread, and were eating chiefly meat, and that often of very poor quality.

John Bidwell

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r... :@field(DOCID+@lit(calbk141div 7))

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June 26, 2009 11:09 PM

EPA May Have Suppressed Report Skeptical Of Global Warming
(CBS/AP/iStockphoto)The Environmental Protection Agency may have suppressed an internal report that was skeptical of claims about global warming, including whether carbon dioxide must be strictly regulated by the federal government, according to a series of newly disclosed e-mail messages.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/26/polit...

Bad link sorry.

Bidwell under B

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/cbhtml/cbhome.htm...

The Bobble Heads are at it again, making more B.S. regulations....
This city is a joke.

We are regulated on every aspect of our lives by all branches of government, and our government wonders why the economy is bad.

Our mayor, can you see she just wants us all to be "more comfortable". Well put some powder on it lady.

I bet not one of the task force has ever crawld an attic for inspection. As a service electrician I work in older homes which this law will impact. I see first hand how this current law is skirtd and can gurantee new reg's will be a (reality) joke. Vent plates,DWV,water,recessed lights,electrical inspections all will need to be completed prior to. There goes a thousand bucks. Then Joe insulation comes along and blows uneven levels. That's real. No government, no speculation just the real facts. Go to the link below. There are 10 chapters of real time pictures of real time stuff. Who accepts liability? There's another couple of grand. I bet Santa Cruz & S.F are not up to the levels they admit. It is totally cost prohibitive for the law to be carried out as written!
http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/photos/0,,122...

SAFETY FIRST.
I wanted to weigh in on the topic of insulating an attic before closing escrow on a house. My husband is an electrician, and does mostly service work and installing fixtures in homes. He sees dangerous wiring hidden under insulation all the time. When someone adds blown in insulation, they really need to have the attic inspected for safety first. A seller will not pay to do this properly just to get a retrofit certificate. Their only concern is finding the cheapest way to get the escrow closed. The new home owner should be the one to add insulation to their home. They can take the time to make sure it is done safely. Once the insultation is blown in, inspectors never look under it unless there is a fire or water leak. Old homes (20's, 30's, 40's) even have sawdust insulation. Think of a knob and tube wire, surrounded by sawdust, and then covered with a foot of blown-in insultation. Now add a rat to chew the wire, and you have house fire. As a Realtor, I don't want to have my home buyers subject to these kinds of safety hazards. The current retrofit laws have created these issues already, and now is a good time to change things around to make it safer. The new owners will have it done right, because they will live in the home. Often they will upgrade to low energy light fixtures at the same time. Forcing a seller to do it under the gun is not good for anyone.

Anyone ever try and flush a toilet with one of these water displacement things installed? Because if you did you found they don't flush worth a damn and you waste even more water trying to get that turd down.

Buster202 wrote:

Are these people insane?
We are in the worst economic times in memory. People are losing their jobs and homes and these morons want to pile on more regulation?
Liberalism isn't a mental disorder?
Seriously? What accounts for this?

The new industry of sustainability is a scare tactic used to create illegitimate jobs and revenue.

Any homeowner in Chico, if they think for a second that they own their home, they are dead wrong. They are paying a mortgage for it, but certainly don't own it. The City Council owns it. Argue with that fact if you like and let this pre 1776 thing come out.