Layoffs

Rogers has already been to Washington to get the approval . He announced the town hall meeting with no notice so lots of people would not be able to come. He has ran the depot into the ground.

Like it's already hard enough to find a job around here the way it is. Time to move.

Flea wrote:

Like it's already hard enough to find a job around here the way it is. Time to move.

Let me know where you can move to get a job. I've been looking from Detroit Mi down to Miami, Fl and not much luck.

http://www.lex18.com/news/blue-grass-army-dep...

Well, Well, Well, I wonder how many of the 300 layed off workers will Vote for the man of Hope and Change now? Just wondering..........

YUUUUUUUUUP !!!!!!! How do you like him now, coming through your TV saying how good of a job he is doing..... Since the Depot is Federal maybe they are cutting back to say money by hiring temp workers (Illegals) that way Holder can get some real weapons to Mexico......

Anyone who thinks 1 person is to blame for the mess the U.S. is in needs to look again. I can think of about 535 more who are just as responsible.

ItsBigBubba wrote:

Well, Well, Well, I wonder how many of the 300 layed off workers will Vote for the man of Hope and Change now? Just wondering..........
YUUUUUUUUUP !!!!!!! How do you like him now, coming through your TV saying how good of a job he is doing..... Since the Depot is Federal maybe they are cutting back to say money by hiring temp workers (Illegals) that way Holder can get some real weapons to Mexico......

I'm an employee at the depot & I would bet that most employees here DID NOT vote for Obama. Republicans have always been more in favor of a strong national defense. I did not vote for Obama the first time & I certainly will not vote for him in November!

Yup wrote:

Rogers has already
been to Washington to get the approval . He announced the town hall meeting with no notice so lots of people would not be able to come. He has ran the depot into the ground.

First off Rogers did not run the depot into the ground. A lot of the problems were set in motion before he got there. He tried everything he could to prevent this. Secondly this is not a layoff it is a RIF. Anyone guy loses their job will be offered one at somewhere else. A lot of the problems for the depot is that we lost a lot of work when they started to end operations related to the war. If the base does not have work it does not need workers. This has been coming down the line for awhile, and Romney may support the war but he wants to get rid of all GS employees, and Bush contracted most of the service work on military bases. Republicans are as bad as the democrats. I cannot stand either Obama or Romney.

Store you kidding wrote:

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First off Rogers did not run the depot into the ground. A lot of the problems were set in motion before he got there. He tried everything he could to prevent this. Secondly this is not a layoff it is a RIF. Anyone guy loses their job will be offered one at somewhere else. A lot of the problems for the depot is that we lost a lot of work when they started to end operations related to the war. If the base does not have work it does not need workers. This has been coming down the line for awhile, and Romney may support the war but he wants to get rid of all GS employees, and Bush contracted most of the service work on military bases. Republicans are as bad as the democrats. I cannot stand either Obama or Romney.

The over abundance of GS grades at the depot had a lot to do with high hourly rates. There are way too many pencil pushers at Bgad and the people who actually make the depot money (direct labor) are gonna lose their jobs because of it. Rogers has kept the employees in the dark since he came to the depot, hiding behind his radio show and turning down jobs that come across his desk that could save jobs and bring in more money. When you create jobs for your family members to be a secretary for you secretary then you are going to have a high overhead. Industrial Services Division was a joke from the beginning. You don't hire permanent people for a temporary job. To sum it up, the "workers" in the admin area lead to this RIF, which is a layoff by the way. Piss poor leadership and Obama's defense cuts and boom, 300 people on unemployment.

Direct laborer wrote:

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The over abundance of GS grades at the depot had a lot to do with high hourly rates. There are way too many pencil pushers at Bgad and the people who actually make the depot money (direct labor) are gonna lose their jobs because of it. Rogers has kept the employees in the dark since he came to the depot, hiding behind his radio show and turning down jobs that come across his desk that could save jobs and bring in more money. When you create jobs for your family members to be a secretary for you secretary then you are going to have a high overhead. Industrial Services Division was a joke from the beginning. You don't hire permanent people for a temporary job. To sum it up, the "workers" in the admin area lead to this RIF, which is a layoff by the way. Piss poor leadership and Obama's defense cuts and boom, 300 people on unemployment.

Apparently you do not know what a Reduction in Force (RIF) entails. Basically a RIF is workers get new orders to a different base. The people that are losing their job will get a choice from different bases that are looking for people. The DoD will move these people and help them to sell their house. I work with guys that have been through a RIF, and they said it is not the worse thing in a world.

Are you kdding wrote:

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Apparently you do not know what a Reduction in Force (RIF) entails. Basically a RIF is workers get new orders to a different base. The people that are losing their job will get a choice from different bases that are looking for people. The DoD will move these people and help them to sell their house. I work with guys that have been through a RIF, and they said it is not the worse thing in a world.

Apparently YOU are the one who doesn't know the facts about a RIF. You must have5 years in to be considered for a transfer to another base. As far as selling a house goes, have you checked the housing market lately? Good luck with that. The news makes it sound like its a great time to buy but banks are so stringent on their loans now you can't get a loan and you better hope you have some equity built up. Get your facts straight before you blurb out BS. Your no comment about the GS to WG ratio is noted as well.

Are you kdding wrote:

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Apparently you do not know what a Reduction in Force (RIF) entails. Basically a RIF is workers get new orders to a different base. The people that are losing their job will get a choice from different bases that are looking for people. The DoD will move these people and help them to sell their house. I work with guys that have been through a RIF, and they said it is not the worse thing in a world.

Captain Obvious Here.

Its Obvious to me that you do not know what you are talking about.

Here is the link to the official reduction in force governmental guidelines. In the end there will be layoffs. People will be losing their jobs. Some may get lucky and get a transfer but there is a pecking order that begins with minority status, veteran status etc.

But just ONE more family to feed on the old government dole.

http://www.opm.gov/rif/general/rifguide.asp

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Taken straight out of the DOD Priority Place Program for employees that go through a RIF.

Employees whose jobs are eliminated will be given priority rights to other vacant
positions in the Defense Department (and other Federal agencies). Employees demoted who are
entitled to grade retention will be given priority rights to other DoD vacant positions in the
commuting area at their retained grades.

The Department of Defense Priority Placement Program provides the principal mechanism
for placing affected employees elsewhere in the DoD. Through its Automated Stopper and
Referral System (ASARS) the skills of displaced employees are matched with vacant positions at
other DoD activities in the authorized area at which the employees are willing to work.
If the new job involves a move to another location, the costs of moving the employee and
his/her household are borne by the government in accordance with the Joint Travel Regulations. If
the new job is at a lower grade level, the employee’s grade or pay is saved to the maximum extent permitted.

Employees may be given priority consideration for vacancies in other Federal agencies
through the Interagency Career Transition Assistance Program (ICTAP).

Employees that are displaced by a RIF get first chance at any open job in the DoD or other federal agency that they are qualified for.

Are you kdding wrote:

Taken straight out of the DOD Priority Place Program for employees that go through a RIF.
Employees whose jobs are eliminated will be given priority rights to other vacant
positions in the Defense Department (and other Federal agencies). Employees demoted who are
entitled to grade retention will be given priority rights to other DoD vacant positions in the
commuting area at their retained grades.
The Department of Defense Priority Placement Program provides the principal mechanism
for placing affected employees elsewhere in the DoD. Through its Automated Stopper and
Referral System (ASARS) the skills of displaced employees are matched with vacant positions at
other DoD activities in the authorized area at which the employees are willing to work.
If the new job involves a move to another location, the costs of moving the employee and
his/her household are borne by the government in accordance with the Joint Travel Regulations. If
the new job is at a lower grade level, the employee’s grade or pay is saved to the maximum extent permitted.
Employees may be given priority consideration for vacancies in other Federal agencies
through the Interagency Career Transition Assistance Program (ICTAP).
Employees that are displaced by a RIF get first chance at any open job in the DoD or other federal agency that they are qualified for.

Dude I could type crap up here all day too. Until you show me a link to a federal web site that says this, your full of it. However I did notice in the first paragraph that you said "employees who's jobs are eliminated"... This refers to when they actually drop the position all together never to hire that position again as in when they buy out a retiree not when they have a RIF due to over employment. Anyway I'm tired of this. Have a good life in your imaginary job wherever that might be.

This is the web site from the Department of Defense Civilian Personnel Advisory System

http://www.cpms.osd.mil/care/care_ppp.aspx

This is a pdf file directly related to Priority Placement Program. One of the major points is people displaced because of RIF

http://www.cpms.osd.mil/ASSETS/2B48B5D2A2C043...

I work there, have more time than some and less than others.

Look we can bicker and search for all the information we can find. I have done plenty of research, enough to realize that there are so many regulations and instructions that honestly, it's quite confusing. You have vets with preference, disabled vets with preference, career and career conditional, categories and sub categories, pay grade plays a factor, not to mention how many other parameters you can think of.

Knowing how hiring goes there and seeing it straight at times and other rimes it's family... Look logic and regulations need not apply. There are so many loopholes and so on and so forth.... Just ride it out.

But honestly, how can it be perceived and be defended when an individual, CEO if you will, of an organization turn down work and then submit for a reduction in force (RIF) or lay off? That is bad business practice no matter where your from or who you are. But yes this was coming sooner or later, but it isn't good to turn down work.

Think. When armed conflict stops there WILL BE a reduction in manpower in DoD. Starts with the military. After the military DoD civilian positions will be eliminated. No one firing live ammunition then live ammo doesn't need to be shipped. Why would anyone at the Depot be surprised?

Exactly, but we could be better off if as a business to not pass up on work.

Do you know for sure that the commander really passed up work, or was it just a rumor that was going around base? It does not make sense to me that he would turn down work.

Well,for sure, why no I don't have enought weight on my collar to know for sure. But when others higher on the food chain let the cat out of the bag it seems like they would know. There was a COSIS job passed up on. Would any of the work that was on the table save us from this, of course not. Would it have helped from a business stand point and help meet the normal operating revenue... Well you do the math.