Bill orders equality for home-school diplomas

Affirmative Action "Homeschoolers Who Can't Hack It" Bill Given Social Promotion by GOPer-led TNGA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/...

YuraGen-us wrote:

Affirmative Action "Homeschoolers Who Can't Hack It" Bill Given Social Promotion by GOPer-led TNGA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/...

What a startling denunciation of the whole concept that education should mean something.

It's like comparing seminary to a mail-in certificate of ordination - a rude joke.

Republicans have built a long record of despising education, and this is certainly a continuation of that direction.

This will be a step backwards. If these students want a High School diploma, then let them pass the same exit exams and comply with the same course work that each state requires for the same. I can't believe we are considering anything less. Look at the 13 year old boy that fled with his Mother rather than receive cancer treatment that would give him a 90 percent chance of survival. He was home schooled and can not even read?? Sure you can tell me this is an exception and I will agree with you, but if we do not require some kind of validation in order to get a HS Diploma this is an example of what we could have. We need to increase the standards of earning a HS diploma, not decrease them.

I think the teachers unions are afraid that people will start to figure out how poor an education students are receiving in government schools.

milo wrote:

I think the teachers unions are afraid that people will start to figure out how poor an education students are receiving in government schools.

They are called public schools Milo, not Government Schools. Private schools can choose which students they take and which ones they do not. Public schools can not refuse a student that lives in the school district and has an up to date shot record. Just like home schooling and private schools, all public schools are not exactily the same.

Yes, they are called public schools. But they are owned by the government, they are operated by the government, the teachers are employed by the government, teachers receive their checks from the government. I'm calling them government schools.

milo wrote:

Yes, they are called public schools. But they are owned by the government, they are operated by the government, the teachers are employed by the government, teachers receive their checks from the government. I'm calling them government schools.

"Yes, they are called public schools. But they are owned by the taxpayers, they are operated by the taxpayers, the teachers are employed by the taxpayers, teachers receive their checks from the government[,and] I'm calling them taxpayer schools."

Homefooled sophistry...

Dead Jimmy Quillen wrote:

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"Yes, they are called public schools. But they are owned by the taxpayers, they are operated by the taxpayers, the teachers are employed by the taxpayers, teachers receive their checks from the government[,and] I'm calling them taxpayer schools."
Homefooled sophistry...

Yes you are a welfare recipient, so therefore much like you are your husbands little mangina, you could also be considered a taxpayer's little mangina...Homofooled Sophistry...

milo wrote:

Yes, they are called public schools. But they are owned by the government, they are operated by the government, the teachers are employed by the government, teachers receive their checks from the government. I'm calling them government schools.

Do you call your local polic and firefighters the GOVERNMENT POLICE & THE GOVERNMENT FIREFIGHTERS TOO? How about the roads that you drive on are they "Public" Roads, or Government Roads? I guess consistency is not one of your virtues is it? Sounds to me like you are changing words around to help make your point, rather than following normal patterns of communication.

bill2008 wrote:

This will be a step backwards. If these students want a High School diploma, then let them pass the same exit exams and comply with the same course work that each state requires for the same. I can't believe we are considering anything less. Look at the 13 year old boy that fled with his Mother rather than receive cancer treatment that would give him a 90 percent chance of survival. He was home schooled and can not even read?? Sure you can tell me this is an exception and I will agree with you, but if we do not require some kind of validation in order to get a HS Diploma this is an example of what we could have. We need to increase the standards of earning a HS diploma, not decrease them.

I agree we need to increase the standards of earning a HS diploma, not decrease them.

I was home schooled for several years and then went to public high school. It worked out well for the kids in my family.

Christian wrote:

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Yes you are a welfare recipient, so therefore much like you are your husbands little mangina, you could also be considered a taxpayer's little mangina...Homofooled Sophistry...

You are gravely mistaken, Rear Admiral. Your wife still calls me Jodie...

Home Schooled wrote:

I was home schooled for several years and then went to public high school. It worked out well for the kids in my family.

I am merely curious, but why did you quit your home school program and return to or enter public high school instead of completing your home schooled education?

Dead Jimmy Quillen wrote:

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You are gravely mistaken, Rear Admiral. Your wife still calls me Jodie...

Isn't that a little girls name???

It seems there is still the incorrect stigma attached to homeschooling that they are slackers who can't hack it in public school. That is far from the case, my child is homeschooled and his friends call the house and ask for his assistance with spelling simple words for their homework- they are all in the public school system. Universities now realize the value of a homeschooled students education and upbringing. Time and again they exceed the expectations of tests meant to evaluate their education and their behavior,i.e. morals and manners tends to exceed that of publicly educated children. There are exceptions as with anything- but I am very glad we chose to homeschool our child.

curious wrote:

It seems there is still the incorrect stigma attached to homeschooling that they are slackers who can't hack it in public school. That is far from the case, my child is homeschooled and his friends call the house and ask for his assistance with spelling simple words for their homework- they are all in the public school system. Universities now realize the value of a homeschooled students education and upbringing. Time and again they exceed the expectations of tests meant to evaluate their education and their behavior,i.e. morals and manners tends to exceed that of publicly educated children. There are exceptions as with anything- but I am very glad we chose to homeschool our child.

Very good, then you should have no problem having your child meet the same standards as children who attend public schools, i.e. take the exit exam, and meet or surpass the state educational objective and earn a HS diploma, then take the ACT or SAT to qualify for college.

curious wrote:

It seems there is still the incorrect stigma attached to homeschooling that they are slackers who can't hack it in public school. That is far from the case, my child is homeschooled and his friends call the house and ask for his assistance with spelling simple words for their homework- they are all in the public school system. Universities now realize the value of a homeschooled students education and upbringing. Time and again they exceed the expectations of tests meant to evaluate their education and their behavior,i.e. morals and manners tends to exceed that of publicly educated children. There are exceptions as with anything- but I am very glad we chose to homeschool our child.

I disagree with the stigma statement because it has been proven that homeschooling students do just as well if not better than students who attend public school. One of my theories is , which is better, overloading a student with worksheets in an effort to memorize the State Capitals or taking your child on a tour of the local, state, or national government and exploring what each government is working on for the benefit of its citizens. I know that last point was a reach.

Christian wrote:

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I disagree with the stigma statement because it has been proven that homeschooling students do just as well if not better than students who attend public school. One of my theories is , which is better, overloading a student with worksheets in an effort to memorize the State Capitals or taking your child on a tour of the local, state, or national government and exploring what each government is working on for the benefit of its citizens. I know that last point was a reach.

I guess one could make the same argument for socializing at school with REAL people of different cultures, family backgrounds, and economic status versus reading about it at home.

bill2008 wrote:

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I guess one could make the same argument for socializing at school with REAL people of different cultures, family backgrounds, and economic status versus reading about it at home.

Or how bout going out and meeting these people, heck you can get a cultural experience by going to the flea market near Bristol. Do you really think a public school gives more experience then life itself...

2008bill wrote:

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Very good, then you should have no problem having your child meet the same standards as children who attend public schools, i.e. take the exit exam, and meet or surpass the state educational objective and earn a HS diploma, then take the ACT or SAT to qualify for college.

I have no problem with my child taking the same tests at all.