Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Nytebreid wrote:

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If you really believe this to be true, use the computer you are on to look up the facts - it's NOT true.
If you already know it's not true, why bother posting something that fools nobody?

Bitch please...I grew up in a single-parent household. I don't need a computer to tell me a mother & father is best for a child. I know because I LIVED THROUGH IT. The divorce of my parents traumatized me as a child. I went through years of episodes & mental breakdowns. I was all fine & dandy until my parents broke up. I was fortunate to see my father once a week...most kids aren't as lucky. And I have seen more well-behaved kids in a mother & father family than in a single-parent household, just by observing my mom's friends & my own friends. And since kids of gay parents don't have any real mother & father-role models, I would expect the child to suffer to same fate. Also I heard gay relationships don't last long either. The average gay relationship last 2 yrs.

Don't tell me the type of parents don't affect the child, because I know from experience it DOES.

thisGuy wrote:

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Ugh. I hate it when gays always try to equate themselves with blacks it comes to civil rights.
Interracial marriage & homosexual marriage are NOT the same.
In a interracial marriage, there is one MAN & one WOMAN, so they fulfill in creating human life & providing a stable environment for the child to grow up with morals & values---the man being the father, & the woman being the mother. It is a HETEROSEXUAL union. It doesn't matter if what skin color the husband & wife are, they still
In a gay marriage, neither partner can reproduce naturally, which makes it pretty much useless. They have to really on a surrogate mother or a turkey baster. So the child grows up with without a mom or a dad. There is no such thing as a child with "2 moms" or "2 dads". In a female gay marriage, there is mother, a step-mother, & a father---preferable a sperm donar (that is never to be mentioned), & in male gay marriage, their is a father, a step-father, & a mother---preferable a surrogate mother---(which is also never to be brought up). That's why children of gays end up being depraved. That's why children of gays are twice as likely to be homosexuals. That's why children of gays have more social & emotional problems than children raised with a mom & a dad. The same could be said for children raised in single-parent households.
interracial marriage = straight marriage
gay marriage != straight marriage
What part of that concept don't you queers understand?

Wow, really......is reading comprehension a problem for you? I'm well aware that interracial marriage 40 years ago involved a man and a woman, but that doesn't explain why it was still illegal for Richard Loving to marry Mildred in Virginia, right?

Children raised in Same-Sex households grow-up with great morals and values as well.......I mean how about the man who killed 12 people and injured 50 others......he was a straight Christian, probably raised by loving Christian heterosexual parents......look at the morals he had, right?

the old reproduction issue again.....well, my aunt and uncle can not reproduce the good old fashion way, yet, they are still legally married and have been for over 38 years. My sister and Brother-in-law have been married for almost 14 years.....have no biological children between them.....still married though. My wife and I have children from previous relationships, none between us though and we couldn't have them even if it were possible with medical intervention......I'm close to 50 and my wife is in her mid-40's.......and guess what, we're still as married as both of our family members are:-)

You'd be wrong in that the sperm donor is never mentioned.....it really depends on the couple and the relationship they may have......but the same can be said for an opposite-sex couple who uses a sperm donor or an egg donor.........and besides, in a Same-Sex parent household that involves 2 Lesbians, the child is not without male influence because the couple has brothers, uncles and fathers who give plenty of positive male role models:-)

Oh another fallacy is that if a child is raised by Gay or Lesbian parents, they themselves USUALLY don't become Gay or Lesbian.....it's not taught, in fact it is usually straight parents that end up having Gay or Lesbian children.......and if a child happened to be born in what is known as a mixed-orientation relationship......well, that child could be Gay or Lesbian or Straight.....even possible to be Bisexual........but a child's sexual orientation is irrelevant to the parents sexual orientation.

thisGuy wrote:

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Bitch please...I grew up in a single-parent household. I don't need a computer to tell me a mother & father is best for a child. I know because I LIVED THROUGH IT. The divorce of my parents traumatized me as a child. I went through years of episodes & mental breakdowns. I was all fine & dandy until my parents broke up. I was fortunate to see my father once a week...most kids aren't as lucky. And I have seen more well-behaved kids in a mother & father family than in a single-parent household, just by observing my mom's friends & my own friends. And since kids of gay parents don't have any real mother & father-role models, I would expect the child to suffer to same fate. Also I heard gay relationships don't last long either. The average gay relationship last 2 yrs.
Don't tell me the type of parents don't affect the child, because I know from experience it DOES.

That's why you're upset......because you are jealous that kids being raised by 2 parents of the Same-Sex get more love and attention than you did........I'm sorry that you came from a broken home.......but you aren't the only one and kids raised by a single parent can be just as happy and healthy as kids raised by 2 parents regardless of their make-up.

thisGuy wrote:

The average gay relationship last 2 yrs.

Where the hell did ya hear that from? I was with one partner for 12 1/2 years in a monogamous relationship until her passing. I've been married to my wife for almost 4 years and we have been together for over 5 years:-)

I know LOTS of Same-Sex Couples who have been together WAY longer than 2 years......in fact most have been together for 5 years or longer:-)

thisGuy wrote:

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"Are ya sure that's my hand? By the way, it is"
-Well, DUH
"but it is not anything but regular size"
-LOL I can believe that, seeing how fat it is..ROFL
"sorry, but where is your picture?"
-i don't need one
"Oh that's right.....you're to afraid to show that ugly mug of yours.......lol!!!"
-LOL Look who's talking

Well, it is my hand......but it could have been anyone's.......there are pictures all over the internet.......lol!!!

Wow, again, the size of my hand has little to do with my size in general.........and a picture taken at the angle that picture was taken is not a true reflection of the actual size of my hand.......but go ahead idiot and make stupid comments.....it only makes you look foolish!

I've had my actual picture up before, but where's your's? Again......to afraid to hang one up......lol!!!

Here's a summary of how this argument played out - look back if you don't believe me:

ThisGuy stated that children of SSM's were more likely to be gay or have mental issues.

I stated that was untrue

thisGuy wrote:

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...I grew up in a single-parent household...

Yours is a whopper of a non-sequitor. You essentially just said that you know SSM's are bad because you grew up in a single-parent household. That doesn't make any sense at all.

thisGuy wrote:

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Ugh. I hate it when gays always try to equate themselves with blacks it comes to civil rights.
Interracial marriage & homosexual marriage are NOT the same.
In a interracial marriage, there is one MAN & one WOMAN, so they fulfill in creating human life & providing a stable environment for the child to grow up with morals & values---the man being the father, & the woman being the mother. It is a HETEROSEXUAL union. It doesn't matter if what skin color the husband & wife are, they still
In a gay marriage, neither partner can reproduce naturally, which makes it pretty much useless. They have to really on a surrogate mother or a turkey baster. So the child grows up with without a mom or a dad. There is no such thing as a child with "2 moms" or "2 dads". In a female gay marriage, there is mother, a step-mother, & a father---preferable a sperm donar (that is never to be mentioned), & in male gay marriage, their is a father, a step-father, & a mother---preferable a surrogate mother---(which is also never to be brought up). That's why children of gays end up being depraved. That's why children of gays are twice as likely to be homosexuals. That's why children of gays have more social & emotional problems than children raised with a mom & a dad. The same could be said for children raised in single-parent households.
interracial marriage = straight marriage
gay marriage != straight marriage
What part of that concept don't you queers understand?

Same sex marriage is the same kind of social engineering that gave us the gay baths. The baths were supposed to have social merit -- they were supposed to make society better. Gay activists told us if everyone would drop their homophobia and attend the baths the world would be a better place.

Young gay men from rural America who were still virgins believed this propaganda and flocked to San Francisco and Greenwich Village. Four-hundred and fifty thousand of them died because they believed this propaganda.

Same sex marriage is motivated by the same wrong-headed desperation: homosexuality is at odds with society and human nature; gays are trying to fix this with same sex marriage and any other hair-brained scheme they can come up with.

Traditional marriage is the right thing to do which is why it has existed in every culture we know of since the beginning of recorded history. Same sex hasn't.

The simple fact is, as seen with bath house culture, homosexuality -- when allowed to run wild -- is a public menace.

That's allany one with sense need know about same sex marriage.

Nytebreid wrote:

Here's a summary of how this argument played out - look back if you don't believe me:
ThisGuy stated that children of SSM's were more likely to be gay or have mental issues.
I stated that was untrue
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Yours is a whopper of a non-sequitor. You essentially just said that you know SSM's are bad because you grew up in a single-parent household. That doesn't make any sense at all.

There certainly isn't a shred of science that supports the claim children of same sex couples aren't more inclined to turn out gay.

But prove me wrong -- cite a study that supports this claim.

Prof Marvel wrote:

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There certainly isn't a shred of science that supports the claim children of same sex couples aren't more inclined to turn out gay.
But prove me wrong -- cite a study that supports this claim.

A 2005 review by Charlotte J. Patterson for the American Psychological Association found that the available data did not suggest higher rates of homosexuality among the children of lesbian or gay parents.

Link:
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/parentin...

KiMare wrote:
You take gay twirl to a new level of idiocy...
This passage is Jesus preforming a gay marriage?
The parallel passage in Luke 7 says the Centurion sent Jewish elders to make the appeal. In a Jewish culture, do you have any idea how idiotically unlikely that would occur is for a gay lover, let alone a gay 'marriage'?
You may be Squat the Tyler, but your initials are BS.

Wat the Tyler wrote:

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If you are still not convinced Jesus was a queer marriage supporter look up David and Jonathan and Ruth and Naomi. Both are male same sex unions and female same sex unions. Death with it.

That's your argument?

I point out how idiotic your assertion is, so you bring up two other idiotic assertions?

By your logic now, any same gendered people paired for any reason are now in a "same sex union". EVEN IF THEY ARE IN A REAL MARRIAGE!

The frosting on your cake? "Death with it"???

Nytebreid wrote:

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A 2005 review by Charlotte J. Patterson for the American Psychological Association found that the available data did not suggest higher rates of homosexuality among the children of lesbian or gay parents.
Link:
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/parentin...

Seems that the APA is one 'professional' organization that has trouble rating "available data".

Please provide data for the 'study' and it's parameters.

Smile.

RnL2008 wrote:

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Where the hell did ya hear that from? I was with one partner for 12 1/2 years in a monogamous relationship until her passing. I've been married to my wife for almost 4 years and we have been together for over 5 years:-)
I know LOTS of Same-Sex Couples who have been together WAY longer than 2 years......in fact most have been together for 5 years or longer:-)

Sorry honey, the Regenrus Study shows that monogamous SS long term relationships are rare.

While lesbians tend to be more faithful, male gays are on the other end of the spectrum.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sex-murde...

RnL2008 wrote:

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That's why you're upset......because you are jealous that kids being raised by 2 parents of the Same-Sex get more love and attention than you did........I'm sorry that you came from a broken home.......but you aren't the only one and kids raised by a single parent can be just as happy and healthy as kids raised by 2 parents regardless of their make-up.

And you are upset because a gay couple can never provide a child one gender and one biological parent. And no other situation is more safe, loving and healthy.

Smile.

KiMare wrote:

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Seems that the APA is one 'professional' organization that has trouble rating "available data".
Please provide data for the 'study' and it's parameters.
Smile.

The data comes from a compilation of multiple studies - see pages 15-22... seven pages of sources. Enjoy the read.

Page 23 explains the methodology:
• Empirical studies specifically related to lesbian and
gay parents and their children,
• Empirical studies generally related to the fitness of
lesbians and gay men as parents,
• Reviews of empirical studies specifically related to
lesbian and gay parents and their children,
• Reviews of empirical studies generally related to
the fitness of lesbians and gay men as parents,
• Legal reviews,
• Case studies and popular works, and
• Theoretical and conceptual issues.

"Smile."

KiMare wrote:

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And you are upset because a gay couple can never provide a child one gender and one biological parent. And no other situation is more safe, loving and healthy.
Smile.

And this has exactly what to do with the Constitutional right to get married? You know,equal treatment under the law and separate but equal is not equal? Again California is different than other states in the fact that gays possessed the right to be married and then that RIGHT was stripped away! And the judge ruled because of this that Prop 8 was Unconstitutional,and then a higher court upheld that ruling! How long a couples relationship lasts has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread! I am posting a list of reasons as to exactly why Prop 8 did not stand up to Constitutional scrutiny,and then again the ruling was upheld by a higher court! Now refute these very logical constitutional arguments as to why Prop 8 is and will always be Unconstitutional! And stop with the other off topic banter and subterfuge as you are only trying to muddy up the waters with utter Bull Sh-t! Of which you seem to be an expert at!

Reasons why Prop 8 is Unconstitutional
www.afer.org/our-work/our-arguments/

KiMare wrote:

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And you are upset because a gay couple can never provide a child one gender and one biological parent. And no other situation is more safe, loving and healthy.
Smile.

In your opinion, not in reality, of course.

The argument is not about whether or not those kids should exist in the first place. They do, and will continue to do so.

Are you trying to ban Adoption? After all, that means that there is NO biological sperm/egg donor in the picture. Will you ban any couple who chooses to adopt from legally marrying?

How about any marriage for anyone bringing an existing child into a marriage? Or any couple who uses a sperm/egg donor to conceive?

Do you think you will have a groundswell of support for prohibiting dissolving all of THOSE marriages?

The ONLY questions you need to answer is how having forcibly unmarried parents is good for the children of gay parents. How does a marriage ban benefit them? How are less secure families better for society?

That's it.

Can you answer logically, and provide valid studies and stats?

Nytebreid wrote:

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The data comes from a compilation of multiple studies - see pages 15-22... seven pages of sources. Enjoy the read.
Page 23 explains the methodology:
• Empirical studies specifically related to lesbian and
gay parents and their children,
• Empirical studies generally related to the fitness of
lesbians and gay men as parents,
• Reviews of empirical studies specifically related to
lesbian and gay parents and their children,
• Reviews of empirical studies generally related to
the fitness of lesbians and gay men as parents,
• Legal reviews,
• Case studies and popular works, and
• Theoretical and conceptual issues.
"Smile."

You sited no source to refer to pages 15-22...

Page 23 is listing the types of studies, not the specific methodology each study used.

Let me help you. Just give me ONE such study and it's methodology.

Come again.

Smile.

Running Alive wrote:

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And this has exactly what to do with the Constitutional right to get married? You know,equal treatment under the law and separate but equal is not equal? Again California is different than other states in the fact that gays possessed the right to be married and then that RIGHT was stripped away! And the judge ruled because of this that Prop 8 was Unconstitutional,and then a higher court upheld that ruling! How long a couples relationship lasts has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread! I am posting a list of reasons as to exactly why Prop 8 did not stand up to Constitutional scrutiny,and then again the ruling was upheld by a higher court! Now refute these very logical constitutional arguments as to why Prop 8 is and will always be Unconstitutional! And stop with the other off topic banter and subterfuge as you are only trying to muddy up the waters with utter Bull Sh-t! Of which you seem to be an expert at!
Reasons why Prop 8 is Unconstitutional
www.afer.org/our-work/our-arguments/

Never said it did. I was referring to the health of children in a manipulated 'family'.

However, this would be an example of Constitutional right to marriage, from Loving vs Virginia;

"Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival...."

Here I connected the health of children and it's bearing on marriage in one fell sentence.

Smile.

Quest wrote:

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In your opinion, not in reality, of course.
The argument is not about whether or not those kids should exist in the first place. They do, and will continue to do so.
Are you trying to ban Adoption? After all, that means that there is NO biological sperm/egg donor in the picture. Will you ban any couple who chooses to adopt from legally marrying?
How about any marriage for anyone bringing an existing child into a marriage? Or any couple who uses a sperm/egg donor to conceive?
Do you think you will have a groundswell of support for prohibiting dissolving all of THOSE marriages?
The ONLY questions you need to answer is how having forcibly unmarried parents is good for the children of gay parents. How does a marriage ban benefit them? How are less secure families better for society?
That's it.
Can you answer logically, and provide valid studies and stats?

You fail so often in your quest for reality...

Sorry, but common sense, evolution, and science all agree with my assertion. Only gay 'gay studies' assert otherwise. And those have been debunked and disgraced.

Then you not only change the question, but then try to assert a single question as valid!

Why is that necessary?

I simply affirm some basic reality;

-Survival of the fittest determined a biological father and mother as best for a child.

-A gay union condemns a child to one gender and only one biological parent at the most. A devastating deprivation by all measures.

Wat the Tyler wrote:

Marriage has never been between husband/wife. Go to a Muslim country and they have polygamy.

The polygamy practiced under Sharia is heterosexual, when a second wife joins a marriage, the relationship remains husband/wife, not wife/wife. In middle class families, second wives live in second homes. This cuts down on domestic violence.

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Wat the Tyler wrote:

Polygamy is supported in the bible yet you claim it isn't.

No, I've claimed the polygamy in the bible is heterosexual, there is no biblical or ancient justification of same sex marriage.

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Wat the Tyler wrote:

Even Jesus performed a same sex marriage in the bible.

Please cite.

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Wat the Tyler wrote:

So stfu with this "traditional marriage" bs.

Bullying doesn't work. U have ur right to an opinion on marriage, I prefer keeping it as is; I'm a marriage moderate.