Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Winston Smith

Owings Mills, MD

#134899 Apr 2, 2012
rwb wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe what people are trying to say is that just because a person is homosexual, it does not automatically make them molesters/pedophiles.
Yep, I believe the notion is that a homosexual is no more likely than a heterosexual to molest a child. So, statistically speaking I'd suspect that homosexuals would account for 1 out of 50. The crux of the matter is that bringing pedophilia/child molestation into the discussion about marriage for homosexuals is almost as relevant as entering a canoe in a motorcycle race.
Frank Rizzo

Union City, CA

#134900 Apr 2, 2012
Winston Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
This has got to be the most hilarious post, in a very sad way, that I've ever read on topix. It represente, quite nicely I must add, the underlying tone of paranoia that seems to have afflicted the far right portion of American politics.
You need to either get the docs to up your dose or stop watching TV/movies.
We're so sorry the post made you very sad we hope you're feeling better now.

You're off topic. But your solution to the serious problems we're having as a nation is not going to work. Upping your meds and watching more Hollywood movies will make you even stupider and more sheep like.

Very bad advice! I recommend no one follow it. Look what it did to you.

Again, hope you're feeling better and not so sad now. YUK!YUK!YUK!
Winston Smith

Owings Mills, MD

#134901 Apr 2, 2012
Reality wrote:
<quoted text>
that procreation rights were held outside of marriage does not change that marriage itself is protected only as it relates to that same procreation.
procreation is the liberty, not access to a state issued LICENSE.
Read LOVING again...
In short, marriage is linked to procreation because that's how some of us procreators want it.
For example,what is the legal definition of "bastard"?
Funny it has birth and marriage in the same sentence...is that a LINK found in the law.
Linked and required are not the same thing. Procreation is not required to have a marriage, but the constitution protects procreation and to the extent its linked to procreation, some marriage rights too.
And again, we do not have a right to GOVERNMENT recognition based in our right to privacy also called our right to be let ALONE from gov't. We do maintain a right to be free from govt intrusion in having our kids.
Bastard is a lovely word to reduce the value of a person based upon actions that took place before his birth. It is a rather denigrating term that roughly translates to low or base nature. Legally, the ramifications go to inheritance and support. This is not a restrictive tie of marriage to procreation. Rather it ties procreation to marriage. Given the current trend for families to come into being without a marriage certificate I suspect it is only a matter of time before this aspect is rendered moot.

I just love how you boil this down to being what "some of us want." The hell with the rest of you. Odds are on the rise that homosexuals will have access to marriage (to the person of their choosing) in our lifetime. I do hope you'll be able to reckon with this when it comes to pass.
rwb

Van Wert, OH

#134902 Apr 2, 2012
Winston Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, I believe the notion is that a homosexual is no more likely than a heterosexual to molest a child. So, statistically speaking I'd suspect that homosexuals would account for 1 out of 50. The crux of the matter is that bringing pedophilia/child molestation into the discussion about marriage for homosexuals is almost as relevant as entering a canoe in a motorcycle race.
Agree...100%. Couldn't have said it better myself!
Frank Rizzo

Union City, CA

#134903 Apr 2, 2012
Winston Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, I believe the notion is that a homosexual is no more likely than a heterosexual to molest a child. So, statistically speaking I'd suspect that homosexuals would account for 1 out of 50. The crux of the matter is that bringing pedophilia/child molestation into the discussion about marriage for homosexuals is almost as relevant as entering a canoe in a motorcycle race.
One of the other stooges declared it is impossible for a homosexual to be a child molester. You support that ridiculous notion. But here you say "a homosexual is no more likely to molest a child than a heterosexual" (and I agree with that). But it implies some homosexuals do molest children. So what is it? Do some homosexuals molest children or not?

And by the way, your off topic. The ratio of homosexuals to heterosexuals is about as relevant as a rubber ducky in your bath tub.

Little Winston's rubber ducky. YUK!YUK!YUK!
Dee

Norwalk, CA

#134915 Apr 2, 2012
This entire thread is GAY!!!!! Why can't gays accept tradition? Accept a UNION with benefits and MOVE ON......get over yerselves....FFS

“Love thy neighbor!”

Since: Dec 06

Westland , MI

#134916 Apr 2, 2012
chief22 wrote:
<quoted text>
there was no right to eliminate, and walker was able to personally gain by his ruling, conflict of interest
On the contrary, equal marriage rights were already the law in CA. Prop 8 took those rights away.

“Love thy neighbor!”

Since: Dec 06

Westland , MI

#134917 Apr 2, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
<quoted text>
Moron!
Not only is your conclusion utterly wrong, but you've been given countless examples of instances where state government continues to have an interest in the private sexual conduct of citizens:
1. Incest
2. HIV
3. BDSM
4. Prostitution
5. "Swinging"
6. Pornography
7. Exhibitionism/masturbation
8. Public sex
9. Sex-texting using government property.
10. Solicitation (that senator in the mensroom)
These are just a few activities prohibited by most state governments; there are many more.
Now will you stop wasting everybody's time with your ignorant posts?
Let's see...State interest in private sexual conduct:

Incest-illegal
HIV-public health issue
BDSM??????
Prostitution-illegal
"Swinging"-no state interest
Pornography-only illegal if minors are used
Exhibitionism-illegal
Public Sex-illegal
Sex-texting using government property-dumb and probably will get you fired
Solicitation-see prostitution

Nothing about peoples private sex lives (except the swinging, which is legal and heterosexual). The state has NO INTEREST in my private sex life. NONE!!!!!

“The Great and Wonderful Marvel”

Since: Aug 09

Baltimore, MD

#134923 Apr 2, 2012
Gay Mom wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's see...State interest in private sexual conduct:
Incest-illegal
HIV-public health issue
BDSM??????
Prostitution-illegal
"Swinging"-no state interest
Pornography-only illegal if minors are used
Exhibitionism-illegal
Public Sex-illegal
Sex-texting using government property-dumb and probably will get you fired
Solicitation-see prostitution
Nothing about peoples private sex lives (except the swinging, which is legal and heterosexual). The state has NO INTEREST in my private sex life. NONE!!!!!
You and your pal lides really do live in a parallel universe with rules of logic and deduction entirely different from our universe.

All the activities I enumerated have laws on the books that will send you to jail if convicted. All are a private sex matter. Swinging is still illegal in some states and has yet to produce case law in these states showing the state has no business proscribing it.

I won't even waste my time going though the others because your response is an ignorant one and as everyone knows ignorance is the most powerful weapon a person can use in a debate.
Just us

Greenville, SC

#134924 Apr 2, 2012
Gay Mom wrote:
<quoted text>
On the contrary, equal marriage rights were already the law in CA. Prop 8 took those rights away.
You are either dumb or a liar. Prop 22 was the law, marriage as one man and one woman. The CSSC pocked their noses in and violated initiative law, by not allowing a stay of their decision for the proponents to get signatures for a ballot initiative for Prop 8. When Prop 8 is upheld, we will go to the courts and invalidate those faux marriages because they are illegal. If we had not gotten the signatures then the stay could have been lifted and then the marriages would have been legal. So, Mom with no clue, shameful marriages were never the law so gays had no rights to same sex marriage.
Just us

Greenville, SC

#134925 Apr 2, 2012
Gay Mom wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's see...State interest in private sexual conduct:
Incest-illegal
HIV-public health issue
BDSM??????
Prostitution-illegal
"Swinging"-no state interest
Pornography-only illegal if minors are used
Exhibitionism-illegal
Public Sex-illegal
Sex-texting using government property-dumb and probably will get you fired
Solicitation-see prostitution
Nothing about peoples private sex lives (except the swinging, which is legal and heterosexual). The state has NO INTEREST in my private sex life. NONE!!!!!
You really are not even half smart in a dumb closet.

Prostitution is not illegal in some countries and in parts of Nevada.
Incest like homosexuality was illegal and you only have a moral argument against same sex incest.

exhibitionism is not illegal, only public displays.

You really are dumb and since you heard the term no state interest, you have tried to ride it.

Polyamorous relationships are legal so explain the state interest in denying polygamy marriage.

There is none, only a social one, and that is what the Reynolds decision stated.
Just us

Greenville, SC

#134926 Apr 2, 2012
Gay Mom wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's see...State interest in private sexual conduct:
Incest-illegal
HIV-public health issue
BDSM??????
Prostitution-illegal
"Swinging"-no state interest
Pornography-only illegal if minors are used
Exhibitionism-illegal
Public Sex-illegal
Sex-texting using government property-dumb and probably will get you fired
Solicitation-see prostitution
Nothing about peoples private sex lives (except the swinging, which is legal and heterosexual). The state has NO INTEREST in my private sex life. NONE!!!!!
You really are a dumb bunny, because the state exercising its interest is why they, the state, makes these things illegal.

We now know why you made a gay child, something went terribly wrong in there.
Winston Smith

Durham, NC

#134927 Apr 2, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
One of the other stooges declared it is impossible for a homosexual to be a child molester. You support that ridiculous notion. But here you say "a homosexual is no more likely to molest a child than a heterosexual" (and I agree with that). But it implies some homosexuals do molest children. So what is it? Do some homosexuals molest children or not?
And by the way, your off topic. The ratio of homosexuals to heterosexuals is about as relevant as a rubber ducky in your bath tub.
Little Winston's rubber ducky. YUK!YUK!YUK!
No, numbskull, the implication has been that all men who molest boys are gay. Which is clearly not the case. The reality is that homosexuals rarely molest. I'm quite happy that you think your posts are intelligent. However, they're testimony to your limited intellect.
Just us

Greenville, SC

#134928 Apr 2, 2012
Mona Lott wrote:
<quoted text>What planet do you live on? Polygamy is still illegal. Incest is still illegal.
Did your brain hurt when that thought bounced out, and was discarded? Polygamy and incest are illegal, really, where? Please specify where they are illegal and why. Let me help you, same sex marriage is also illegal in 44 states and 187 countries. So, what closet did you crawl out of?
Frank Rizzo

Union City, CA

#134929 Apr 2, 2012
Winston Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
No, numbskull, the implication has been that all men who molest boys are gay. Which is clearly not the case. The reality is that homosexuals rarely molest. I'm quite happy that you think your posts are intelligent. However, they're testimony to your limited intellect.
But you see dipshit, you dishonestly tried to make that MY implication. I never implied that and you know it.

You sure don't seem happy that my posts are intelligent Winston! Are you being dishonest again?

Winston. You're a big fibber! YUK!YUK!YUK!
Dee

Norwalk, CA

#134932 Apr 2, 2012
My My...get off the computer and go out and express yerselves in a healthy way...This is not healthy...

“Love thy neighbor!”

Since: Dec 06

Westland , MI

#134933 Apr 2, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
<quoted text>
You and your pal lides really do live in a parallel universe with rules of logic and deduction entirely different from our universe.
All the activities I enumerated have laws on the books that will send you to jail if convicted. All are a private sex matter. Swinging is still illegal in some states and has yet to produce case law in these states showing the state has no business proscribing it.
I won't even waste my time going though the others because your response is an ignorant one and as everyone knows ignorance is the most powerful weapon a person can use in a debate.
And equal marriage rights are not illegal. Apples and oranges. There is no state interest in keeping me from marrying my life partner. None.

And name calling is used by people who know they are losing an argument.

“Love thy neighbor!”

Since: Dec 06

Westland , MI

#134934 Apr 2, 2012
Just us wrote:
<quoted text>You are either dumb or a liar. Prop 22 was the law, marriage as one man and one woman. The CSSC pocked their noses in and violated initiative law, by not allowing a stay of their decision for the proponents to get signatures for a ballot initiative for Prop 8. When Prop 8 is upheld, we will go to the courts and invalidate those faux marriages because they are illegal. If we had not gotten the signatures then the stay could have been lifted and then the marriages would have been legal. So, Mom with no clue, shameful marriages were never the law so gays had no rights to same sex marriage.
Yes, equal marriage rights were in force in CA, and many, many homosexual couples took advantage of that. In fact, after Prop 8, it was ruled that those marriages were still legal. Check your facts, Bucko.

“Love thy neighbor!”

Since: Dec 06

Westland , MI

#134935 Apr 2, 2012
Just us wrote:
<quoted text>You really are a dumb bunny, because the state exercising its interest is why they, the state, makes these things illegal.
We now know why you made a gay child, something went terribly wrong in there.
Yes, the state made these things illegal. But there is no state interest in making marriage illegal. NONE.

BTW My daughters are heterosexual. I am a lesbian. Are you going to blame my parents??? Two out of their five are lesbians.

“Love thy neighbor!”

Since: Dec 06

Westland , MI

#134937 Apr 2, 2012
Just us wrote:
<quoted text>Did your brain hurt when that thought bounced out, and was discarded? Polygamy and incest are illegal, really, where? Please specify where they are illegal and why. Let me help you, same sex marriage is also illegal in 44 states and 187 countries. So, what closet did you crawl out of?
Same sex marriage is not illegal. It is just not recognized by the government. Now who is the dumb bunny.

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