Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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'IF' the central message of Christianty is 'crystal clear' and it is sin, then;
-What does the Bible do about that sin?
-Does that not put EVERYONE, gay or not, in the same boat? As you put it,'inferior'?
*By 'design' I was not referring to any designer, but rather intended purpose.
-I would suggest that rather than 'inferior' the issue for homosexuals is mainly genetic with no moral implications at that level.
So you don't know, or you are unwilling to give the reasons, why you claimed I was being a bigot about history and christianity?
My statement about keeping homosexual inferior, was sarcasm.
If I'm not mistaken the bible claims they should be put to death.
The intended purpose for homosexuals, is to be homosexuals. So, exactly how do homosexual lose their intended purpose?
Are do you think something else gets to decide, what the intended purpose of things are?
If that statement is your view on homosexuals, why did you state homosexuals lose morality in your other post?

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So you don't know, or you are unwilling to give the reasons, why you claimed I was being a bigot about history and christianity?
My statement about keeping homosexual inferior, was sarcasm.
If I'm not mistaken the bible claims they should be put to death.
The intended purpose for homosexuals, is to be homosexuals. So, exactly how do homosexual lose their intended purpose?
Are do you think something else gets to decide, what the intended purpose of things are?
If that statement is your view on homosexuals, why did you state homosexuals lose morality in your other post?
You are mistaken about what the Bible says about homosexuals. I believe you are referring to SS sex. Eunuchs are often spoken of highly in Scripture.

While I think that homosexuality has several roots, I think the main cause is genetic. A genetic disorder to be specific. The homosexual desire defies the intended design of sexual organs and sexuality. The violation of that design is where immorality occurs. This is possible even between opposite genders.
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Why don't you practice by pissing into the wind?
How about I piss into your face. I bet you are into golden showers
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Marram wrote:
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When are you bigots going to realize you canít vote on human rights and Gay Americanís donít care what you think anyway?
Itís not a fight for supremacy itís a fight for equality. Vilifying Gay Americans doesnít change that fact. It only points out your self-imposed powerlessness, hysteria and ignorance.
Your statement regarding moaning can be said for all people. After all, youíve done much moaning in your posts.
gays are johnny come lately second class people. Just get back into line and conform to a normal way of life. It's obvious you agree your kind are different.
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When are you bigots going to realize you canít vote on human rights and Gay Americanís donít care what you think anyway?
Itís not a fight for supremacy itís a fight for equality. Vilifying Gay Americans doesnít change that fact. It only points out your self-imposed powerlessness, hysteria and ignorance.
Your statement regarding moaning can be said for all people. After all, youíve done much moaning in your posts.
Hey assbite, just because some people feel the way they do about queers doesn't make them bigots. Remember we all have the right to express our feelings, it's part of equality.

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Right, Colorado overreached because they were restricting the use of "protected class", and the court was unhappy with infringement. It has nothing to do with same sex marriage, except to prohibit one method of complaint.

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Right, Colorado overreached because they were restricting the use of "protected class", and the court was unhappy with infringement. It has nothing to do with same sex marriage, except to prohibit one method of complaint.
WRONG! Try again!

The case was argued on October 10, 1995. On May 20, 1996, the court ruled 6-3 that Colorado's Amendment 2 was unconstitutional, though on different reasoning than the Colorado courts. Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote the majority opinion, and was joined by John Paul Stevens, Sandra Day O'Connor, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and Stephen Breyer.
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Rejecting the state's argument that Amendment 2 merely blocked gay people from receiving "special rights", Kennedy wrote:

To the contrary, the amendment imposes a special disability upon those persons alone. Homosexuals are forbidden the safeguards that others enjoy or may seek without constraint.

Kennedy argued that protection offered by antidiscrimination laws was not a "special right" because they protected fundamental rights already enjoyed by all other citizens. Though antidiscrimination laws "enumerated" certain groups that they protected, this merely served to put others on notice (i.e., the enumeration was merely declaratory).

Instead of applying "strict scrutiny" to Amendment 2 (as Colorado Supreme Court had required) Kennedy wrote that it did not even meet the much lower requirement of having a rational relationship to a legitimate government purpose:

Its sheer breadth is so discontinuous with the reasons offered for it that the amendment seems inexplicable by anything but animus toward the class that it affects; it lacks a rational relationship to legitimate state interests.
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[Amendment 2] is at once too narrow and too broad. It identifies persons by a single trait and then denies them protection across the board. The resulting disqualification of a class of persons from the right to seek specific protection from the law is unprecedented in our jurisprudence.
Kennedy did not go into depth in rejecting the claims put forward in support of the law (protecting the rights of landlords to evict gay tenants if they found homosexuality morally offensive, etc.) because he held that the law was so unique as to "confound this normal process of judicial review" and "defies...conventional inquiry." This conclusion was supported by his assertion that "It is not within our constitutional tradition to enact laws of this sort." Finding that "laws of the kind now before us raise the inevitable inference that the disadvantage imposed is born of animosity toward the class of persons affected," the Court implied that the passage of Amendment 2 was born of a "bare...desire to harm a politically unpopular group".

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<quoted text>Baker v Nelson is a US Supreme Court decisioin on the merits, it is precedent for keeping marriage between husband and wife.
The law is on our side.
WRONG


In most cases presented to the U.S. Supreme Court, the Court's refusal to hear the case is not an endorsement of a decision.


On October 10, 1972, the U.S. Supreme Court issued a one-sentence order dismissing the case "for want of a substantial federal question."
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You are mistaken about what the Bible says about homosexuals. I believe you are referring to SS sex. Eunuchs are often spoken of highly in Scripture.
While I think that homosexuality has several roots, I think the main cause is genetic. A genetic disorder to be specific. The homosexual desire defies the intended design of sexual organs and sexuality. The violation of that design is where immorality occurs. This is possible even between opposite genders.
So some people who have same sex, sexual partners aren't homosexuals? Interesting.
I didn't know eunuchs were homsexuals. Is that what the bible claims, eunuch are homosexuals?
Why am I not supprised you think it is a disorder.
No it doesn't defy the intend, homosexuals still use them for sexual purposes, that is what is intended for sexual organs.
You thinking its a violation of that design, and is where immorality occurs, comes from a religious view. Whether you want to admit it or not.

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So some people who have same sex, sexual partners aren't homosexuals? Interesting.
I didn't know eunuchs were homsexuals. Is that what the bible claims, eunuch are homosexuals?
Why am I not supprised you think it is a disorder.
No it doesn't defy the intend, homosexuals still use them for sexual purposes, that is what is intended for sexual organs.
You thinking its a violation of that design, and is where immorality occurs, comes from a religious view. Whether you want to admit it or not.
-Not sure how you got same-sex sex by gays...

-Other than the act of SS sex, the Bible speaks of eunuchs without moral connotation. When it refers to 'by birth', I would guess it is speaking of homosexuality.

-The anus is not designed for intercourse. Simply a medical reality, nothing to do with religion.
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You are going overboard ... we only want to stop the expense and education of gay life .in the public schools in America. I don't really care what you do in the confines of your home.
Let me get this straight. The lady "doctor" made a claim about the "pink triangle" and GS refuted it with a valid post and the above is your retort?

Or was the post simply too complicated to fit inside your miniscule cranium. Microencephaly, it wasn't your fault.
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This claim comes directly from a 1995 book titled The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party, by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams. Lively is the virulently anti-gay founder of Abiding Truth Ministries and Abrams is an organizer of a group called the International Committee for Holocaust Truth, which came together in 1994 and included Lively as a member.
The primary argument Lively and Abrams make is that gay people were not victimized by the Holocaust. Rather, Hitler deliberately sought gay men for his inner circle because their "unusual brutality" would help him run the party and mastermind the Holocaust. In fact, "the Nazi party was entirely controlled by militaristic male homosexuals throughout its short history," the book claims. "While we cannot say that homosexuals caused the Holocaust, we must not ignore their central role in Nazism," Lively and Abrams add. "To the myth of the 'pink triangle'ó the notion that all homosexuals in Nazi Germany were persecuted ó we must respond with the reality of the 'pink swastika.'"
These claims have been picked up by a number of anti-gay groups and individuals, including Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association, as proof that gay men and lesbians are violent and sick. The book has also attracted an audience among anti-gay church leaders in Eastern Europe and among Russian-speaking anti-gay activists in America.
THE FACTS
The Pink Swastika has been roundly discredited by legitimate historians and other scholars. Christine Mueller, professor of history at Reed College, did a line-by-line refutation of an earlier (1994) Abrams article on the topic and of the broader claim that the Nazi Party was "entirely controlled" by gay men. Historian Jon David Wynecken at Grove City College also refuted the book, pointing out that Lively and Abrams did no primary research of their own, instead using out-of-context citations of some legitimate sources while ignoring information from those same sources that ran counter to their thesis.
The myth that the Nazis condoned homosexuality sprang up in the 1930s, started by socialist opponents of the Nazis as a slander against Nazi leaders. Credible historians believe that only one of the half-dozen leaders in Hitler's inner circle, Ernst RŲhm, was gay.(RŲhm was murdered on Hitler's orders in 1934.) The Nazis considered homosexuality one aspect of the "degeneracy" they were trying to eradicate.
When the National Socialist Party came to power in 1933, it quickly strengthened Germany's existing penalties against homosexuality. Heinrich Himmler, Hitler's security chief, announced that homosexuality was to be "eliminated" in Germany, along with miscegenation among the races. Historians estimate that between 50,000 and 100,000 men were arrested for homosexuality (or suspicion of it) under the Nazi regime. These men were routinely sent to concentration camps and many thousands died there.
In 1942, the Nazis instituted the death penalty for gay men. Offenders in the German military were routinely shot. Himmler put it like this: "We must exterminate these people root and branch.... We can't permit such danger to the country; the homosexual must be completely eliminated."
To go with your post Ms. Smack a little more info on the Pink Triangle! And on the Union blessed by God himself in the bible of King David and Jonathan!
Pink Triangles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_triangle
And King David and Jonathan
http://www.pinknews.CO.uk/aroundtheworld/tag/...
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Still managing that hang over?

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You are mistaken about what the Bible says about homosexuals. I believe you are referring to SS sex. Eunuchs are often spoken of highly in Scripture.
While I think that homosexuality has several roots, I think the main cause is genetic. A genetic disorder to be specific. The homosexual desire defies the intended design of sexual organs and sexuality. The violation of that design is where immorality occurs. This is possible even between opposite genders.
Any non-procreative sex "defies" the purpose of sexual organs, if you want to look at it that way, but in that case, most every human on earth is doing the same thing.

We all argree that sex can be procreative, but do you really think that it has no other purpose?

For instance, can it bring a married couple closer together? And, if so, why would that be any different for a married gay couple?

The desire for that kind of basic human closness in a mated couple is no different with straight folks, than it is with gay folks. Same emotions. Sane needs and desires. Same love.

And one is no more immporal tha the other. Both are natural to those involved.
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What a show so far, haven't had so many laugh's since the other circus came in to town.

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Right, Colorado overreached because they were restricting the use of "protected class", and the court was unhappy with infringement. It has nothing to do with same sex marriage, except to prohibit one method of complaint.
And that's what Prop 8 did!!!!
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And that's what Prop 8 did!!!!
And here is the link to the play "8" put on last night using trial transcripts from the actual trial that the Pro prop 8 side has been trying to keep from the public's eyes! What are they afraid of anyway? It seems they are afraid of the truth and how utterly ridiculous the trial made them look!! A great watch,prejudices and hate were put on trial and prejudices and hate lost badly! Enjoy!

www.youtube.com/AmericanEqualRights
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-Not sure how you got same-sex sex by gays...
-Other than the act of SS sex, the Bible speaks of eunuchs without moral connotation. When it refers to 'by birth', I would guess it is speaking of homosexuality.
-The anus is not designed for intercourse. Simply a medical reality, nothing to do with religion.
I believe you first brought it up. And right now I'm not to sure of your point, in bring it up.
I always thought a eunuch was a male with his testicles removed. The bible refers to eunuchs that were born that way as homosexuals?
One of these days I guess I'm going have to look up eunuch in the bible. Might be some useful information for later discussions.
I believe a lot of homosexuals would disagree with you on that. Beside why do you think there can't be multi purposes for body parts?
Doesn't the anus have lots of sensitive nerve endings, like sex organs?
I mean lets take the foot, do you think it may have more than one function?
Medical reality, how cute, but I don't think it is very relevant. Can you explain how, and why you came to that conclusion?
Yes it does have to do with religion. Believing things were designed, is a religion concept.
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To go with your post Ms. Smack a little more info on the Pink Triangle! And on the Union blessed by God himself in the bible of King David and Jonathan!
Pink Triangles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_triangle
And King David and Jonathan
http://www.pinknews.CO.uk/aroundtheworld/tag/...
. It's unfortunate that many people equate sex with love. Any two people can indulge in sex, but they don't necessarily love each other. Such people are the ones who promote the idea of homosexuality between Jonathan and David. When God says to love your neighbor, it doesn't mean to have sex with them. Just because you can't imagine two men having a close friendship it doesn't mean they were gay. I guess U ignored the whole David and Bathsheba thing (not that that was a good thing for David to do but it's clearly not the act of a gay man).
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How about I piss into your face. I bet you are into golden showers
No, sorry. But I'm sure you can find a rentboy to satify your "secret" desires.

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