Outlaws MC Chattanooga

Nspressley that's where you are wrong I never judged him anything. I didn't even know he existed until he spoke up to let himself be known. I judged the inner workings and the over all philosophies of his group.
I expressed to him what I read to be true about him from what he wrote and placed before me. I can tell you this much. Look closely at what he said, in the first sentence of his letter to me. Not the ranting blurt.... but the other.... he states up front that his father was lured away by what he refers to as 'strange pussy.’ he uses a derogatory term to describe female genitalia but he uses proper terms to describe his own. It seems Freudian to me, he is exalting his manhood, his power, his sense of self. He then goes on to describe his mother as non- nurturing and committing the ultimate maternal sin, choosing one child over the other. Then he adds the love of his life to the mix. She too uses her wily feminine ways to hurt him, to betray him. He curses at me like a wounded pirate and then lets the women take over for him. I would say that maybe he doesn't respect the female persuasion as much as you say he does. Though he seems willing to use what they are offering to his benefit. It seems classic OL jargon. Yet you refuse to acknowledge it. Why?
I actually like Oatmeal, he seems rough but likeable. I think his girlfriend rocks. I think the same of you. That said I think to the OL like all their victims, I am rather like a bastard at a family reunion. They wish I would stop crashing the party, they wish they could deny my existence but they can't because my blood is all over them. So what can they do. They could begin with I'm sorry. Then they could work on changing their reputation but they're not interested in change. They like the pudding they are standing in...read on

Those I have known personally didn't show much respect to woman. I am evidence of that. Those are MY experiences with the group. You say yours are different. I accept that. But you need to understand that you are preaching to the choir about whom and what they are... as a group. Not as individuals. They have attached themselves TO THE GROUP WILLINGLY. They choose to be there. Further, as a GROUP they are a concern because they represent too much power. At least it was too much for me to fight off.

Two days after my assault the intimidation calls began. That is the way they work, as a group. You admit that they support each other. The so called,'brotherhood' you don't duck? Well, you just keep insisting that what is real.... isn't.

As far as statistics you simply can't refute the federal crime reports. You can't refute the amount of 1%ers sitting in prisons, state, federal and local. What about Taco, he WAS the epitome, the embodiment of what they believe. Probably still is. Dispute that. If your guys don't support the bad guys then why don't they just start their own club? Maybe they like the club just as it is then again maybe not.

You say you support someone’s right to CHOOSE to be property. You do understand that some of the women who are property... never chose to be anything of the sort. They are forbidden choice. Just run away from your master, when you are worth money to the club and see how happy they are to let you choose what you want to do or not do. In fact the philosophy of the club concerning women is that they DON'T choose anything!!!! You do recognize that they have white slaves working for the club...right, you do understand what the term white slave means?

Npressley how can you defend a group that sanctions the direct exploitation of women as they do? You are doing those who can't choose to be property or not, a disservice by what you are saying.

As far as the good in them, I have already stated that many bad people do good things and good people do bad things. It is a paradox of human nature. Where each of them stands as human beings I can not say but I can say that as a group they should probably be disbanded because too many in the group represent an organized threat to the rest of us whom would prefer, not to be gang raped, tortured and beaten repeatedly by individuals whom claimed membership in a 1%er club. Is that detailed enough for you?

Those I have known personally didn't show much respect to woman. I am evidence of that. Those are MY experiences with the group. You say yours are different. I accept that. But you need to understand that you are preaching to the choir about whom and what they are collectively... as a group. Not as individuals. They have attached themselves TO THE GROUP WILLINGLY. They choose to be there. Further, as a GROUP they are a concern because they represent too much power. At least it was too much for me to fight off...read on

Two days after my initial assault the intimidation calls began. That is the way they work, as a GROUP of intimidators. You, yourself admit that they support each other. As far as the value of the vest, Oatmeal said he was willing to spend time in a 10 by 10 or give his life for his family. Who does he claim as his family? I would guess from what he said that wouldn't be his biological family, but rather his OL family. It would also appear from what he has said that he has replaced Charlie as his paternal influence. Problem with Charlie is, as a symbol he represents no less abuse that what he claims to have left behind. Worse Charlie (collective club members) has absolutely no problem cutting off an extremity to save his core. The club is self perpetuating, demanding, and narcissistic to say the least and Oatmeal would die or go to jail for it. So I guess the vest means more than you think it does to these men.
As far as statistics, you simply can't refute the federal crime reports. They represent a collective body of data gathered and recorded nation wide. Even if you could dispute the data as a whole, you simply couldn't refute the amount of 1%ers sitting in cages, state, federal and local nation wide.

And what about Taco, he IS the epitome, the embodiment of what the collective body of members believe in. Dispute that. If your guys don't support the bad guys then why don't they just start their own club? Then again that would go over like a fart in church wouldn't it? Just ask whodundat's friend George. Or is dead George full of it too? Like me, like Victoria and whoever else joins us here.

You say you support someone’s right to CHOOSE to be property. You do understand that some of the women whom are property... never chose to be anything of the sort. They are forbidden choice. Just run away from your master, when you are worth money to the club and see how happy they are to let you choose what you want to do or not do. In fact the philosophy of the club concerning women is that they DON'T choose anything!!!! You do also recognize that they have white slaves working for the club...right? And you do understand what the term white slave means?

Npressley how can you defend a group that sanctions the direct exploitation of women as they do? You are doing those who can't choose to be property or not, a disservice by what you are saying.

As far as the good in them, I have already stated that many bad people do good things and good people do bad things. It is a paradox of human nature. Where each of them stands as human beings I can not say but I can say that as a group they should probably be disbanded because too many in the group represent an organized threat to the rest of us whom would prefer, not to be gang raped, tortured and beaten repeatedly and by individuals mind you, whom openly claim membership in a 1%er club. Is that exact enough for you?

Even if we separate the deeds from the doers the deeds are often criminal. Do the math. Criminal deeds + multiple criminals working in concert = organized crime. I am sorry but it is what it is and I couldn't care less who your friends are. You are not who I intended to reach out to, you have made it clear that you are happy with your situation. So be it. I am reaching out to people like Victoria and any others who might need my support and to the white slaves that think they might be alone with no one caring what happens to them, least of all their masters or even society for that matter. As Always, I agree to disagree, have a nice night Npressley.

Quicksand wrote:

Nspressley that's where you are wrong I never judged him anything. I didn't even know he existed until he spoke up to let himself be known. I judged the inner workings and the over all philosophies of his group.
I expressed to him what I read to be true about him from what he wrote and placed before me. I can tell you this much. Look closely at what he said, in the first sentence of his letter to me. Not the ranting blurt.... but the other.... he states up front that his father was lured away by what he refers to as 'strange pussy.’ he uses a derogatory term to describe female genitalia but he uses proper terms to describe his own. It seems Freudian to me, he is exalting his manhood, his power, his sense of self. He then goes on to describe his mother as non- nurturing and committing the ultimate maternal sin, choosing one child over the other. Then he adds the love of his life to the mix. She too uses her wily feminine ways to hurt him, to betray him. He curses at me like a wounded pirate and then lets the women take over for him. I would say that maybe he doesn't respect the female persuasion as much as you say he does. Though he seems willing to use what they are offering to his benefit. It seems classic OL jargon. Yet you refuse to acknowledge it. Why?
I actually like Oatmeal, he seems rough but likeable. I think his girlfriend rocks. I think the same of you. That said I think to the OL like all their victims, I am rather like a bastard at a family reunion. They wish I would stop crashing the party, they wish they could deny my existence but they can't because my blood is all over them. So what can they do. They could begin with I'm sorry. Then they could work on changing their reputation but they're not interested in change. They like the pudding they are standing in...read on

Again I disagree the OL's here DO NOT have your blood all over them and you are judging all of them by what a few did to you.

npressley wrote:

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Again I disagree the OL's here DO NOT have your blood all over them and you are judging all of them by what a few did to you.

No matter how many times I tell you I am not judging them, no matter how many times I tell say I know they aren't responsible for what their brothers did, no matter how many times I tell you I want the CLUB to change it philosophies you will bring it back around to some sort of prejudice about your TN club. Hell, they could all be choir boys for all I know, though you admit that they are not. So what are they then? I would guess they are like everyone else. Human beings, sometimes flawed sometimes benevolent, whatever they are it is of no importance to me. What the club does as a whole.... is. As it should be to all of us.

Oh, and one more point. I'm not telling them.... who are what they are. THEY are telling ME who and what they are every time they communicate with me or anyone else on this forum. Especially if those they are communicating with disagree with them. Look over the responses from those who appear by their monikers to be bikers. Most of their posts have some air of disrespect. I am not showing disrespect here I am expressing my views and the facts surrounding those views based on my personal knowledge and experiences with the club, nothing more.
You make a point about do ‘gooders’ as if doing ‘good’ is a bad thing. WOW, how on earth did you get the idea that doing ‘good’ is a bad thing?
You don't duck? Then answer this direct question. Do you think it is okay for the club to force a woman into prostitution? You will undoubtedly answer yes, you might be in my opinion misdirected but you are a decent person as well. However you will probably follow that statement with the analogy that it is individuals who are forcing women into bondage and not the club. Yet the club profits from their suffering. Further, make no mistake about it. These woman display symptoms that are equal to that of torture victims.. Is that OK?

Quicksand wrote:

Oh, and one more point. I'm not telling them.... who are what they are. THEY are telling ME who and what they are every time they communicate with me or anyone else on this forum. Especially if those they are communicating with disagree with them. Look over the responses from those who appear by their monikers to be bikers. Most of their posts have some air of disrespect. I am not showing disrespect here I am expressing my views and the facts surrounding those views based on my personal knowledge and experiences with the club, nothing more.
You make a point about do ‘gooders’ as if doing ‘good’ is a bad thing. WOW, how on earth did you get the idea that doing ‘good’ is a bad thing?
You don't duck? Then answer this direct question. Do you think it is okay for the club to force a woman into prostitution? You will undoubtedly answer yes, you might be in my opinion misdirected but you are a decent person as well. However you will probably follow that statement with the analogy that it is individuals who are forcing women into bondage and not the club. Yet the club profits from their suffering. Further, make no mistake about it. These woman display symptoms that are equal to that of torture victims.. Is that OK?

Nope! I am not ducking...and you show me (1) of the Dalton or Cleveland OL's that have a prostitute to back up your statement and I will agree with you. But I know that the women including my sister are treated with respect...No! They can not patch out or go to "church" but that would defeat the purpose of an all male club don't cha think?

Why do you keep bringing it back to your guys? I have never said 'your guys'. I keep telling you I am speaking of the club as a whole. Head up north or further south and you will find PLENNNNNTY of white slaves.

There are a few female clubs around and I can tell you I don't know of any of them who call their men property. Do you? The other point is the club is more than a club it a lifestyle and a commitment for life to the 'brotherhood'.

Npressley, you did it again and for about the tenth time. You ducked the direct question. Like the one where I asked you if it was alright to rape a grown women? And if your brother in-law would protect his bros even if they did wrong. What level of WRONG is okay with you. Perhaps your level of tolerance is greater than mine. But that may be because I have experienced their WRONG in a way you haven't. Why can't you just say, "Yeah, considering what you have been through, I can see how you would feel that way". But then again that would be admitting their wrong exists….wouldn't it? Just because you haven’t had them WRONG you, and that’s a nice way of putting it, that doesn’t mean there isn’t plenty of wrong to go around…read on.

Oddly enough, I think you know better than all this and you understand where I am coming from but still you refuse to admit what’s outside of your narrow view. I am telling you straight forward. I have experienced it, I have seen it, and I have felt it. It is there. If you don’t see it then you are not looking close enough. Now, does that mean ‘your guys’? Hell, I don’t know, I haven’t talked to anyone in TN in better than four years. How would I know? I have no experience with your guys; at least I don’t think so. However, I have experience with others in the club and they were twisted pieces of work.

If they show up to visit your guys, I have no doubt that though they would recognize how bent they are, they would likely still protect them and turn a blind eye. Why? Because it’s required that they do so. If they witnessed it... would they stop them? I would hope so, but you would know about that better than me. Still, I can tell you that if the post on this forum or representative of how your guys realllllly feel then maybe, just maybe you should rethink your reasoning Npressley.

Let me be clear, I didn’t come here looking for pity from any of you. I know better than that crap. I stopped in because I saw everyone stomping Victoria. The women were somewhat nice but in a nasty way. The guys had absolutely no feeling for her suffering at all. Why? You can make all the excuses you want to for them, but they don’t feel for her or any of the OL victims. They are of the mind that they had it coming. Read over the post if you don’t believe me. What they appear to lack is empathy. The most important human quality and what separates us from the animals. Oatmeal’s rant was for me, too much like what E. Benjamin Skinner described as ‘The fiendish apparition of my former slave masters’. It took be back, because believe me, when it came to torture they didn’t mess around.

The last month has certainly proven another sociology lesson concerning the subculture of the 1%er world. Still for me, there has been no greater teacher than my own personal experiences with the club.

I have however confirmed two notions while here on your forum. Neither came as a surprise to me. The men and women of the 1%er community in Tennessee are not that different from what I have experienced in other parts of the country, at least in one way. That being that the men can go from 0 to 60 in 6 seconds. What that means is that they are quick and easy to rile with the women equally quick at stepping in to save them from themselves.

All seemed fiercely loyal to the image of Charlie and the illusion of the brotherhood. I say illusion because that loyalty often turns belly up when the occasion calls for it.

They are also wantonly blind to the realities and the pitfalls of their lifestyle choices even as the resulting paranoia is ever present and looming large all around them. To anyone rational, their devotion to an often seditious figure seems a contradiction of terms, to say the least.

I will say this Npressley, if the OL ever patch in a woman, I hope you’re the first. You had bigger man parts that most the 1%er men that I met here and elsewhere. I mean to say that at least you had conviction, passion and were self directed all the way. Still, I’m a centrist and I believe there must be some middle ground to be gained through our differing opinions. But let me be clear about one thing, I will never believe that the OL, as an organization, is anywhere near as puritanical as you describe, mainly because I have too many scars to back up my differing opinion but also because I have ears, eyes and a brain to reason with. In short, I know better....read on

Your view would be more acceptable or at least better served, if you’d back away just a bit from your benevolent characterization of them. Granted, the better than 1,700 members of the OL may not all be monsters, at least to you, but anyone who has been their victim knows that some of them are certainly capable of monstrous behavior. As you can imagine, that makes it more than a little difficult to see them with the haloes you so gratuitously painted over their nappy heads. In fact it borders on the ridiculous. I am sure dead George as well as Laura, Cynthia, Christine, Sondra, Darlene, Audrey and Victoria, just to name a few, would agree with me on that point.

Still, if you ever need it, remember the sisterhood is always here for you and it is bigger and stronger than what you think it is. Make no mistake about though, it’s filled not with victims but rather… with survivors. Most wear their past suffering and the discomfort their muscle and will to survive causes their tormenters, as a badge of honor. I know I certainly do....read on.

Baby Girl, I think you are on a fast track to getting that shiny new property vest but be careful what you wish for honey, as some naughty little boys grow up to be Outlaws or similar self-proclaimed Alfa males who can’t help but bring their insatiable, screaming ‘Id’ along for the ride. I think you might have your work cut out for you. But you seem strong enough for the challenge. I wish you well.

Oatmeal, what can I say. You mentioned therapy to me, said it might work. Well, some anger management classes might work for you as well, then again maybe not. &#61514; Oh, now don’t get you panties in a bunch. I’m just kidding. I will take Npressley’s word for it that you are a warm and fuzzy kind of guy, in touch with your feminine side and all. But don’t worry, I won’t tell your bros about it… or you’d never hear the end of it.

If all that stuff you told me about your past was true, I feel bad for ya. If it wasn’t and you were a spoiled rotten, middle class kid who just got bored and likes head games and swap meets, happy trails just the same. Just remember to tighten the strap on your brain bucket because you can’t ride straight if you can’t think straight. Although, thinking straight might prove a real disadvantage considering, some of the company you keep. But hey, that’s life for all of us. I’m sure we’ve shared beers with the same mugs.

That said, if you are plugged into the 1%er matrix and are happy as a pig in poop… because everything is butterflies and rainbows where you come from, then I wish you nothing but peace, love and joy and all that happy crap.

You will hear both good and bad about MC's. As for the Outlaws, I've talked with a few of them at different times and they are always straight up and decent people and they always look out for each other....real family. Some of you keep bringing up that tired b.s. about their reputation as drug dealers and criminal activity. Have you checked into the life of your politians, local cops and even some ministers lately? Those are the real criminals. One thing about biker clubs, they know the true meaning of brotherhood.

"Mainstream society" doesn't except people who don't fit their hypocritical, image. They get all shook up and nerveous when someone different invades their tidy little world. But at least the Outlaws and most true bikers in general could care less about images and impressions. They are who they are without apology..they do their thing and they don't follow societies rules that are meant to control and manipulate. A biker friend of mine and I where riding through S. Georgia a couple of years ago. He's a "born again" biker and wanted to find a church on Sunday during the trip. I reluctantly agreed, but when we got off our bikes at the "Open Fellowship Tabernacle we were politely encouraged to try the church down the road because it would suit us better.
So much for acceptance and love. I have found more acceptance with bikers than in any church I have ever gone to. MC'S have the right idea when it comes to acceptance and brotherhood.

Oatmeal wrote:

next you people will be telling me is sons of anarchy is realistic and dead on

So Oatmeal...what DO you think of Sons of Anarchy?

Hardcase wrote:

Do people know the Outlaws MC here in chattanooga and what do you think of them? Just wandering about puplic opinions.

I know a few and bartend to many of them. They are people and put their pants on just like the rest of us. They work have family's. They may live by a set of rules and morals of them on but it is all based on respect. And that is something we should all have a little more of. And at least they know they will NEVER be alone becouse with just a phone call they always have one anothers back and stand for each other and we all want that.

Quicksand, join some biker's for a beer and call it exposer therapy. It will be a whole lot cheaper than talking to a pyschologist, hell if your decent looking it will be free. If you talk like you type, it will be very expensive sessions.

Johnny wrote:

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So Oatmeal...what DO you think of Sons of Anarchy?

it is a biker soap opera

To Victoria and Quicksand: You two worthless lieing bitches remember GFOD....we'll see you two burning in hell. Attention seekers sometimes get more attention than they really counted on....sleep tight.

After getting my feel of turkey dinner,I returned to read every word on this forum. There are different women posting all from a St.Louis,MO ISP address,or could it be the same one changing names to try to get her point across? If I recall correctly,there once was a girl who was dating an OL in IL,who was also found out to be an 81's sister,trolling for info. Could it be? That alone could be the reason for her trying her damnest to try to tie the 15 to the whipping post,and help support her cause to cheer for the other side. HONEY,can't you see your game isn't going to work?

Go ahead and wear your support red and white crap,but know this..red and white make pink,and God forgives,Outlaws don't. Better smarten up baby

That's what I thought,nuff said.