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Jerry Smith to become Butte County sheriff

Full story: Oroville Mercury-Register

Butte County sheriff's Capt. Jerry Smith hasn't been appointed to replace retiring Sheriff Perry Reniff, but he is going to be.

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Justice For Whom

Chico, CA

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Nov 11, 2009
 
Okay Jane if you ever have to retire early (god willing)we will spend lots of tax dollars, to search for the proper candidate, instead of using someone qualified that is right here, experienced and willing. Your suggestion was basically a slap in the face to Reniff, Ramsey, and the young man that is filling his position. You were the only one who tried to make it a costly issue under the guise of what the board owed the citizenry. Too funny.
James_Oroville

Oroville, CA

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Nov 12, 2009
 
I don’t know Jane Dolan except by name recognition. Also, I know nothing about the Sheriff heir apparent, Jerry. I do thank her for making a prudent observation. The chances of anybody winning against an incumbent aren’t good. If this was an orchestrated move it is brilliant though perhaps sinister. What is the rush to effectively bypass the electoral process? What is the cost?
Insight

Chico, CA

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Nov 12, 2009
 
This is a vivid example of the good ol'boys scurrying to ensure that the rot that infects the Butte County "justice system" remains intact. The DA's pleading for this "gentleman" Smith to take over the Sheriff's Department is simply an attempt by the DA to ensure that one of his cronies will maintain control of that department, so that the unjustified law enforcement killings and other corrupt practices will remain covered up and hidden from the public view.

This DA is hardly qualified to instruct anyone as to what constitutes being a "man" or for that matter a "gentleman".

Lets hope that the Supervisors have enough integrity to see this ploy for what it is and appoint someone who is independent of the DA or in the alternative that they elicit from "gentleman" Smith a promise not to run for Sheriff in the next election.

“An Erudite Hillbilly”

Since: Mar 08

Lake Oroville, CA

ISP: Redding, CA

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#4
Nov 12, 2009
 
Hey, if this guy is a "Shall Issue" Sheriff, I'm all for him and would elect him into office. That really shows how anti-crime a lawman is. If they want to allow citizens to protect themselves, they have the desire for a polite, law-abiding society. If they think all citizens are sheep they are to herd and the power to protect belongs only to a militant few, there is a major problem.
Mike from Oroville

Paradise, CA

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Nov 13, 2009
 
James_Oroville wrote:
I don’t know Jane Dolan except by name recognition. Also, I know nothing about the Sheriff heir apparent, Jerry. I do thank her for making a prudent observation. The chances of anybody winning against an incumbent aren’t good. If this was an orchestrated move it is brilliant though perhaps sinister. What is the rush to effectively bypass the electoral process? What is the cost?
You obviously don't know much on this subject. When Larry Gillick retired, after 30+ years as Sheriff, he supported Leroy Wood to succeed him. Hal Brooks ran against him with the claim of breaking the "good ol' boy network", even though he had been an Investigator in the DA's office. After four years of his mess, the people elected Woody to two terms. Mick Grey was then elected after Woody retired, to two terms and when he retired, his support was for candidate Perry Reniff. But MacKenzie ran him, again claiming to break the "good ol' boy network". After four years of his mess, Sheriff Reniff was elected and re-elected.
Maybe it's not about the "good ol' boy" network at all. More likely, the people who sit in that chair have capability, insight and foresight to pick the most experienced and qualified person they think can handle the pressures and problems associated with the job.
Hey Mike

Chico, CA

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Nov 13, 2009
 
Mike from Oroville wrote:
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You obviously don't know much on this subject. When Larry Gillick retired, after 30+ years as Sheriff, he supported Leroy Wood to succeed him. Hal Brooks ran against him with the claim of breaking the "good ol' boy network", even though he had been an Investigator in the DA's office. After four years of his mess, the people elected Woody to two terms. Mick Grey was then elected after Woody retired, to two terms and when he retired, his support was for candidate Perry Reniff. But MacKenzie ran him, again claiming to break the "good ol' boy network". After four years of his mess, Sheriff Reniff was elected and re-elected.
Maybe it's not about the "good ol' boy" network at all. More likely, the people who sit in that chair have capability, insight and foresight to pick the most experienced and qualified person they think can handle the pressures and problems associated with the job.
You have NEVER SAT "in that chair" and you have NEVER BEEN a peace officer, so what gives you the capability, insight and foresight to recommend anybody for Sheriff?

You are losing control of your good ol'boy network and your desperation is showing. When your house of cards come tumbling down the citizens of Butte County will get a true look at the "evil that lurks" inside of you. And when they get a true look at the "mess" that you have made, you probably will want to retire someplace far away from Butte County.
Kash from Oroville

Redding, CA

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Nov 13, 2009
 
Hey Mike wrote:
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You have NEVER SAT "in that chair" and you have NEVER BEEN a peace officer, so what gives you the capability, insight and foresight to recommend anybody for Sheriff?
But he's trying so hard to play LEO even though the blue is a little paler. Give the guy a little slack.
Mike from Oroville

Redding, CA

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Nov 15, 2009
 
Hey Mike wrote:
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You have NEVER SAT "in that chair" and you have NEVER BEEN a peace officer, so what gives you the capability, insight and foresight to recommend anybody for Sheriff?
You are losing control of your good ol'boy network and your desperation is showing. When your house of cards come tumbling down the citizens of Butte County will get a true look at the "evil that lurks" inside of you. And when they get a true look at the "mess" that you have made, you probably will want to retire someplace far away from Butte County.
Boy did you miss the point... I never claimed to have "sat in the chair", nor did I recommend anyone. My point was that Sheriff Reniff's recommendation of Jerry Smith was based on HIS experience and His insight. And based on history, the outgoing Sheriff has proven to have chosen a competent successor.
As to the "evil that lurks" inside me... what do you know of me or what "mess" I have made. You are obviously mistaking me for Ramsey... WRONG! Yes my name is Mike and I live in Oroville, but that is where the similarity ends. I retired from the County last year, after 35 years, and although I had working associations with the DA's Office and the Sheriff's Office I do not claim to have any sway over either of those operations. So I'm not "losing control" over my "good ol' boy network" or any other network for that matter. Over the years I also had working associations with most of the other offices of the County and I don't have any influence over them either.
Take your vehement vendetta for Ramsey elsewhere!
Time for change

Chico, CA

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Nov 15, 2009
 
Mike from Oroville wrote:

"As to the "evil that lurks" inside me... what do you know of me or what "mess" I have made. You are obviously mistaking me for Ramsey...WRONG!".

If he is not the DA, it's nice to know that the DA's evilness is obvious to him. On the other hand if he is not the DA, he is the DA's clone.

Let's see now....Leroy Woods (8 years), Mick Grey (8 years), Scott Mackenzie (4 years) and Perry Reniff (7 1/2 years). The good ol' boys have controlled the Sheriff's Department for all but 4 of the last 27 1/2 years.

IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE !
Justice For Whom

Chico, CA

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Nov 16, 2009
 
Okay you start out as a cashier and in 6 or 7 years you become manager, does that mean a 'good Ol boys' network controls the store?
You start out as a fireman and end up chief, does that mean a 'good ol' boy' network is in control?
No it means you've worked hard and are being recognized with a promotion.
If this was any entity other than the Sheriff's Office, no one would bat an eye.
The guy worked hard and now he's being given a shot at the top spot, that is not 'good ol' boy' that is normal business in every organization in America.
Gil from Oroville

Chico, CA

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Nov 16, 2009
 
Time for change wrote:
Mike from Oroville wrote:
"As to the "evil that lurks" inside me... what do you know of me or what "mess" I have made. You are obviously mistaking me for Ramsey...WRONG!".
If he is not the DA, it's nice to know that the DA's evilness is obvious to him. On the other hand if he is not the DA, he is the DA's clone.
Let's see now....Leroy Woods (8 years), Mick Grey (8 years), Scott Mackenzie (4 years) and Perry Reniff (7 1/2 years). The good ol' boys have controlled the Sheriff's Department for all but 4 of the last 27 1/2 years.
IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE !
Yep, all law enforcement professionals... And who do you recommend? Jane Dolan?
Outsider

Chico, CA

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Nov 16, 2009
 
Gil from Oroville wrote:
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Yep, all law enforcement professionals... And who do you recommend? Jane Dolan?
Let me butt in here and recommend John Carrillo, Tony Burdine, Mike Lydon, Scott Mackenzie or any of the other fine law enforcement professionals that we have here in Butte County who are not beholden to the good ol' boys. I would certainly not recommend Jane Dolan.
After all she was the swing vote that appointed super good ol' boy Ramsey to be the DA in the first place.
Another thought

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Nov 16, 2009
 
Justice For Whom wrote:
Okay you start out as a cashier and in 6 or 7 years you become manager, does that mean a 'good Ol boys' network controls the store?
You start out as a fireman and end up chief, does that mean a 'good ol' boy' network is in control?
No it means you've worked hard and are being recognized with a promotion.
If this was any entity other than the Sheriff's Office, no one would bat an eye.
The guy worked hard and now he's being given a shot at the top spot, that is not 'good ol' boy' that is normal business in every organization in America.
Thankfully the office of Sheriff is attained by ELECTION not "promotion".

However, for an incumbent to retire 6 months short of the end of his term so that the incumbency can be turned over to the good ol' boys choice, to maintain the status quo, is fundamentally unfair. Any interim Sheriff appointed from within the Department should have to agree not to become a candidate in the election. Otherwise such an individual should decline the appointment so that he/she can run on her/his own 2 feet and his/her own record without having the significant advantage that the incumbency brings with it. What advantage you say? Once this interim (Smith) appointment is made watch as the good ol' boys beckon their media cronies to do many feel good stories about what a great job that their handpicked candidate is doing. Thus creating a fabricated image, in the public's eye, of the character and capabilities of this individual by election time.

According to several accounts Reniff is a tough cop. He could have stuck it out another year, but to do so would be to deny the good ol' boys choice for Sheriff the advantage and leg up in the next election. Then in the eyes of the good ol' boys Reniff would be seen as a traitor to their cause. And for the good ol' boys this is a fate worse than death.
Gil from Oroville

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Nov 16, 2009
 
Outsider wrote:
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Let me butt in here and recommend John Carrillo, Tony Burdine, Mike Lydon, Scott Mackenzie or any of the other fine law enforcement professionals that we have here in Butte County who are not beholden to the good ol' boys. I would certainly not recommend Jane Dolan.
After all she was the swing vote that appointed super good ol' boy Ramsey to be the DA in the first place.
The Jane Dolan crack was sarcasm. I concur with any of the officers you mentioned. Here's another Tom Dryden.
Gil from Oroville

Chico, CA

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Nov 16, 2009
 
Another thought wrote:
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Thankfully the office of Sheriff is attained by ELECTION not "promotion".
However, for an incumbent to retire 6 months short of the end of his term so that the incumbency can be turned over to the good ol' boys choice, to maintain the status quo, is fundamentally unfair. Any interim Sheriff appointed from within the Department should have to agree not to become a candidate in the election. Otherwise such an individual should decline the appointment so that he/she can run on her/his own 2 feet and his/her own record without having the significant advantage that the incumbency brings with it. What advantage you say? Once this interim (Smith) appointment is made watch as the good ol' boys beckon their media cronies to do many feel good stories about what a great job that their handpicked candidate is doing. Thus creating a fabricated image, in the public's eye, of the character and capabilities of this individual by election time.
According to several accounts Reniff is a tough cop. He could have stuck it out another year, but to do so would be to deny the good ol' boys choice for Sheriff the advantage and leg up in the next election. Then in the eyes of the good ol' boys Reniff would be seen as a traitor to their cause. And for the good ol' boys this is a fate worse than death.
Man, I think you are being unfair. If Sheriff Reniff says he has health problems and has to retire, I believe the man. Like you say, he has the rep of being a tough cop, so I think you are picking at straws to accuse him of being anything but what he says. If his health wasn't an issue he could have easily finished his term, and then recommended and supported Jerry Smith as his replacement.
Another thought

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Nov 16, 2009
 
Gil from Oroville wrote:
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Man, I think you are being unfair. If Sheriff Reniff says he has health problems and has to retire, I believe the man. Like you say, he has the rep of being a tough cop, so I think you are picking at straws to accuse him of being anything but what he says. If his health wasn't an issue he could have easily finished his term, and then recommended and supported Jerry Smith as his replacement.
That's the way it should be done ! Finish the term and then recommend and support whomever you want. But don't turn over the office, and all the favorable PR that can be generated by the person occupying that office, to the person that you support so that they will have the inside track in the election.

I did not say that Sheriff Reniff "has the rep" I said "according to several accounts" he is a tough cop. Several accounts does not equal a "rep". You say that you "believe the man". Well I don't. And that's ok because we are both entitled to our opinion. My opinion is based on his campaign promise to make pot a low priority and meth a top priority, on his watch. Conversely soon after taking office 2 mexican pot growers were killed by his deputies. And guess what? Eight years later meth is still alive and well in Butte County as are those that are manufacturing the stuff. Butte County can forego a continuation of this kind of law enforcement.
Gil from Oroville

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Nov 16, 2009
 
Another thought wrote:
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That's the way it should be done ! Finish the term and then recommend and support whomever you want. But don't turn over the office, and all the favorable PR that can be generated by the person occupying that office, to the person that you support so that they will have the inside track in the election.
I did not say that Sheriff Reniff "has the rep" I said "according to several accounts" he is a tough cop. Several accounts does not equal a "rep". You say that you "believe the man". Well I don't. And that's ok because we are both entitled to our opinion. My opinion is based on his campaign promise to make pot a low priority and meth a top priority, on his watch. Conversely soon after taking office 2 mexican pot growers were killed by his deputies. And guess what? Eight years later meth is still alive and well in Butte County as are those that are manufacturing the stuff. Butte County can forego a continuation of this kind of law enforcement.
Your right, we are both entitled to our opinion. But I don't want to see the guy die in office just to prove a point. Good luck to you, Perry, in retirement.
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Nov 16, 2009
 
Gil from Oroville wrote:
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Your right, we are both entitled to our opinion. But I don't want to see the guy die in office just to prove a point. Good luck to you, Perry, in retirement.
I was not aware that the guy was dying. If his condition is that serious, he should leave immediately.

And for the sake of justice John Carrillo, Tony Burdine, Scott Mackenzie, Mike Lydon or someone of like integrity should be appointed the interim Sheriff.
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