Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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My side? You should attempt to know what a persons side is before you start assuming things, it will help prevent you from making an ass out of yourself.
Section 3 of DOMA was most certainly unconsitutional, and I was never a fan of it.
And how a "court" decides is hardly how the "State" feels.
Jefferson wasn't a very big fan of the courts either, nor was Madison.
Care to continue making an ass out of yourself or have you had enough?
Whether you, personally, approve or DOMA or not is irrelevant. It was most certainly those who disapprove of SSM that made DOMA law.

How the Court decides may or may not be how the State "feels," but their decision is the law the Sate must abide by.

Quote the founding as much as you like... you're avoiding the question. If your State's Supreme Court decided in favor of SSM, would you be willing to let it stand, or would you change your tune and try to take it to the Federal level?

I'm not the here that could be out-argued by third grader. Look again at who the ass is.

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And perhaps you should come into the new century and stop living in the seventeen hundreds!
If you don't like the Constitution perhaps you should draft an Amendment and get it ratified.

BTW, the 14th Amendment is not from the 1700's.

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Whether you, personally, approve or DOMA or not is irrelevant. It was most certainly those who disapprove of SSM that made DOMA law.
How the Court decides may or may not be how the State "feels," but their decision is the law the Sate must abide by.
You really need a lesson on how this country was founded.

The Federal Government, and that includes the court, derives its power from the State and the People, not the other way around.
The court is about to find this out with the vast number of states which are igoring the ruling on Obama Care by not implementing it.

The court lacks the ability to enforce its rulings, the are not the end all be all. They are not kings, and they are not our rulers.

You really need to open a book.

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Anyone who calls themselves "Americans" and still oppose gay marriage need to seriously either get out of my country or just die out already. You are an embarrassment to this country.
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The point here is that you say one must be "born that way" in order to enjoy gay sex you're promoting a pile of crap. Not a shred of science supports it and I know from personal experience it's a pile of crap.
In other words, when you tell school boards no child will have his sexual orientation swayed by gay and transvestite school teachers you're misrepresenting fact and you're doing it with utter disregard for the children you knowingly expose your lies to.
Children should not be used as pawns or guinea pigs.
Parents should not be told their child's heterosexual orientation is not at risk when you put a transvestite or gay teacher in his kindergarten class because the simple fact is you really don't know whether it is or not
You just don't know and you need to stop saying you do know.
That's all.
No all it means is that you are Bisexual, see, you are BISEXUAL
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Wat the Tyler wrote:
Anyone who calls themselves "Americans" and still oppose gay marriage need to seriously either get out of my country or just die out already. You are an embarrassment to this country.
if we die out, then gays will die out. Figure it out, it's not gays having babies.
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No worries, we all don't care.

Just grow up and get over it.
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The Threshold Of A Dream wrote:
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And how did your schooling turn out? How was it riding on the short bus anyway? LOL,I believe that Dumb fuques like you turn out to be teamsters in later life as they don't have the education to succeed at anything else! Move along now stupid until you can post something of value,OK? LOL
Ok Dreamer, lesson one; lets see if you are smart enough to comprehend this, You don't answer a question with a question you homo. Schooling J.C. degreed, finished after returning home from Vietnam and holding down a job. I'm not familiar with the bus you are describing but since you are why don't you fill us in since you ride them. Why so hard on the "Teamsters" did one kick you out of his truck while at an over night truck stop? lol You are so dumb you can even do your b.Job right. Not all success depends on education look it up. Not that it is any of you business but most likely I earn more in one week than you do in one month working your two or three jobs, I have the best medical and pension benefits you'll ever know or "Dream" of having, in this bad economy I have the same job since coming home from Nam and getting my AA. There is nothing you can say or do to insult me I've heard it all lol ... I am a very happy man and planning my retirement that will bring me in more than what you will make after your assisted living kicks in. You are a "Dreamer" lol
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Children of same-sex couples are worse off
http://www.statesman.com/news/local/ut-study-...
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Pretend for a second that neither of us wants to review 6600 pages of posts.
Tell us one of the good arguments that would hold water if/when the issue goes before the Supreme Court.
LOL .. 6600 pages and you still ask the same question, you are too stupid to keep explaning the answers to. Besides you are a newbie here so what do you know what happend 6600 pages ago??
you don't qualifiy. get lost
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Anyone who calls themselves "Americans" and still oppose gay marriage need to seriously either get out of my country or just die out already. You are an embarrassment to this country.
LOL .. Real Americans still fight to keep intruders like you from force changing our government. You just wait until the muslims have the say, there will be no more gaypride parades for you and your gay friends. I am an "American" and staying right here.

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One more little push and you might be able to make a clean break between the concepts of "homosexuality" as a behavior and "homosexuality" as an innate identity. Hon, we've known all along that sexual behaviors can be pretty downright fluid for some people and that for any number of heterosexuals, homosexual behavior might be against their "nature", but can be learned and even enjoyed like Swedish Folk Dancing. The obvious point you are missing is that YOU and YOUR ILK are the only ones fascinated by discussing your often time alternate universe views on sex between two people of the same sex, we're here to discuss the innate reality that you people don't seem to care alone, let alone notice, that unlike heterosexuals who walk on the Wilde side for whatever reason, we don't stop being homosexual. If y'all stopped babbling about how you imagine us engaging in "homosexual behavior", we can have an adult discussion over what the rest of our lives are supposed to be like when we're not doing it.

While behavior can ebb and flow like the Bay of Fundy, the innate identity, the sexual orientation which controls it, is pretty darn well fixed. Heterosexuals have probably been trying to make heterosexuals out of their homosexual offspring since the dawn of humans, they've even gone as far as killing us in hopes that there'd be no more, but homosexuality as an innate identity will persist as long as evolution sees the need for it to persist. No matter what lengths you go to, no matter how hard you try, you've never truly made anyone heterosexual who wasn't. They may be able to mimic the behavior to pass for White, I mean straight, but they aren't. You can be pressured in burying that homosexual nature under impressed heterosexual behaviors, but you''ll never completely kill it. I don't know if anyone has ever counted, but I imagine that there are far more "ex-ex-gays" and "ex-gays" praying that they don't get caught than those who have the current delusion of heterosexuality based on their behavior. You people have been absolute failures at fixing what you call our problem, but yet you imagine that with a little sprinkle of fairy dust, or in your case, even having it in the room, will turn your presumed heterosexual sons and daughters into not only homosexuals, but penis hat and assless chaps wearing, pride marching, whatever, whatever queer. Orientation doesn't work that way and you damn well know it. It's there and you're basically stuck with it, the only real choice you have in the matter is how you live successfully with the orientation you've been given. Acting out comes more from how your child is raised and raising one who is going to be homosexual, no matter what you do to it, locked in a closet under threats of violence from you and maybe even "god" and fed a constant stream of malinformed nonsense, when that closet door finally gets kicked down by someone who hasn't got a freaking clue as to what they really should be doing with that homosexuality they were given, behold your creation. You don't give a flying f*ck about those kids are growing up to be lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgendered, they're on their own and hopefully locked in a closet, straight kids are so weak minded that learning what these people go through when they aren't having sex will send them straight to Sodom & Gomorrah.

Why is it that we have to pay the price simply because heterosexuals have such low opinions of themselves as a collective? We can't be "married", because marriage exists as an incentive program for responsible breeding and if you allow us to marry, your fellow heterosexuals are going to breed like feral hogs, but not be as responsible as parents. We can't have equal protection because heterosexuals have a god given right to be freaked out about people who don't stop being homosexual while fully clothed. We can't teach facts about homosexuality to ANY children, because the straight ones might get confused. Really?

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Children of same-sex couples are worse off
http://www.statesman.com/news/local/ut-study-...
You really should try to keep up with the news. We know all about this study. We've since learned that this study's definition of a child having grown up with a biological parent or parents who were "gay" (if you had two, he only counted your father, he was short of those) was vague to the point of meaningless. To qualify, one of your parents had to have had same sex sex more than once with the same person at any point in their lives while you were growing up. We have also since learned that the hefty price tag for this study was picked up by a right wing group with direct connections to one of the most prominent groups fighting equality for same sex couples, NOM. We have also learned that he was shopping his paper around even before he had all the data. We have since learned that he is a member of a group of other like minded individuals that advocate the teaching of religion as a science. We just learned a couple of days ago that the good associate professor and his study are being investigated under allegations of academic fraud by his employer, the University of Texas. It really hasn't been a good month for this "study" which is rapidly proving to be nothing more than an expensive anti-gay agenda driven fraud.

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One more little push and you might be able to make a clean break between the concepts of "homosexuality" as a behavior and "homosexuality" as an innate identity. Hon, we've known all along that sexual behaviors can be pretty downright fluid for some people and that for any number of heterosexuals, homosexual behavior might be against their "nature", but can be learned and even enjoyed like Swedish Folk Dancing. The obvious point you are missing is that YOU and YOUR ILK are the only ones fascinated by discussing your often time alternate universe views on sex between two people of the same sex, we're here to discuss the innate reality that you people don't seem to care alone, let alone notice, that unlike heterosexuals who walk on the Wilde side for whatever reason, we don't stop being homosexual. If y'all stopped babbling about how you imagine us engaging in "homosexual behavior", we can have an adult discussion over what the rest of our lives are supposed to be like when we're not doing it.
While behavior can ebb and flow like the Bay of Fundy, the innate identity, the sexual orientation which controls it, is pretty darn well fixed. Heterosexuals have probably been trying to make heterosexuals out of their homosexual offspring since the dawn of humans, they've even gone as far as killing us in hopes that there'd be no more, but homosexuality as an innate identity will persist as long as evolution sees the need for it to persist. No matter what lengths you go to, no matter how hard you try, you've never truly made anyone heterosexual who wasn't. They may be able to mimic the behavior to pass for White, I mean straight, but they aren't. You can be pressured in burying that homosexual nature under impressed heterosexual behaviors, but you''ll never completely kill it. I don't know if anyone has ever counted, but I imagine that there are far more "ex-ex-gays" and "ex-gays" praying that they don't get caught than those who have the current delusion of heterosexuality based on their behavior. You people have been absolute failures at fixing what you call our problem, but yet you imagine that with a little sprinkle of fairy dust, or in your case, even having it in the room, will turn your presumed heterosexual sons and daughters into not only homosexuals, but penis hat and assless chaps wearing, pride marching, whatever, whatever queer. Orientation doesn't work that way and you damn well know it.
Why is it that we have to pay the price simply because ones might get confused. Really?
Pay no attention to the queer behind the curtain.

And that's because the bottom line is this: He wants transvestite teachers in grade school.

That's all you need to know about him and gays like him.

Well, not all...

People like "Rick from Kansas" are the kind of gays that made Larry Brinkin the unofficial gay mayor of San Francisco. They live in this pink little world of make-believe where everything is magical and sweet and cotton-candy, and Michael Jackson was a harmless creature who only wanted to make little boy's dreams come true at Never-Never Land.

Don't remind Rick that the multi-million dollar man-boy sex industry is run by card-holding LGBT members. And don't dare tell him the barely legal boys used in this degrading, disease-infested, soul-eroding business are young men -- mostly straight young men -- lured into it by gay bullshit artists just like Rick.

Homosexuality can't coexist with heterosexuality. If gay priests can't keep their hands off young boys, what gay males can?

There's no middle ground. There's no "peace in our time" diplomacy. Sign-on to same sex marriage and they'll be in the schools trying to recruit your sons into their sex cult.

And homosexuality is a sex cult -- don't let Rick of Kansas bullshit you about that either.

Then again maybe you have no problem with your sons becoming members of a sex cult -- if not, Rick from Kansas is your man.

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Rick in Kansas wrote:
One more little push and you might be able to make a clean break between the concepts of "homosexuality" as a behavior and "homosexuality" as an innate identity. completely kill it. I don't know if anyone has ever counted, but I imagine that there are far more "ex-ex-gays" and "ex-gays" praying that they don't get caught than those who have the current delusion of heterosexuality based on their behavior. You people have been absolute failures at fixing what you call our problem, but yet you imagine that with a little sprinkle of fairy dust, or in your case, even having it in the room, will turn your presumed heterosexual sons and daughters into not only homosexuals, but penis hat and assless chaps wearing, pride marching, whatever, whatever queer. Orientation doesn't work that way and you damn well know it. It's there and you're basically stuck with it, the only real choice you have in the matter is how you live successfully with the orientation you've been given. Acting out comes more from how your child is raised and raising one who is going to be homosexual, no matter what you do to it, locked in a closet under threats of violence from you and maybe even "god" and fed a constant stream of malinformed nonsense, when that closet door finally gets kicked down by someone who hasn't got a freaking clue as to what they really should be doing with that homosexuality they were given, behold your creation. You don't give a flying f*ck about those kids are growing up to be lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgendered, they're on their own and hopefully locked in a closet, straight kids are so weak minded that learning what these people go through when they aren't having sex will send them straight to Sodom & Gomorrah.
Why is it that we have to pay the price simply because heterosexuals have such low opinions of themselves as a collective? We can't be "married", because marriage exists as an incentive program for responsible breeding and if you allow us to marry, your fellow heterosexuals are going to breed like feral hogs, but not be as responsible as parents. We can't have equal protection because heterosexuals have a god given right to be freaked out about people who don't stop being homosexual while fully clothed. We can't teach facts about homosexuality to ANY children, because the straight ones might get confused. Really?
Pay no attention to the queer behind the curtain.

And that's because the bottom line is this: He wants transvestite teachers in grade school.

That's all you need to know about him and gays like him.

Well, not all...

People like "Rick from Kansas" are the kind of gays that made Larry Brinkin the unofficial gay mayor of San Francisco. They live in this pink little world of make-believe where everything is magical and sweet and cotton-candy, and Michael Jackson was a harmless creature who only wanted to make little boy's dreams come true at Never-Never Land.

Don't remind Rick that the multi-million dollar man-boy sex industry is run by card-holding LGBT members. And don't dare tell him the barely legal boys used in this degrading, disease-infested, soul-eroding business are young men -- mostly straight young men -- lured into it by gay bullshit artists just like Rick.

Homosexuality can't coexist with heterosexuality. If gay priests can't keep their hands off young boys, what gay males can?

There's no middle ground. There's no "peace in our time" diplomacy. Sign-on to same sex marriage and they'll be in the schools trying to recruit your sons into their sex cult.

And homosexuality is a sex cult -- don't let Rick of Kansas bullshit you about that either.

Then again maybe you have no problem with your sons becoming members of a sex cult -- if not, Rick from Kansas is your man.

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Bruno wrote:
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Comon ,,, there have been many you just agree with any of them
because you are bias. BFD
So, what is one of those good arguments against gay marriage?
:::crickets chirping:::

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Bruno wrote:
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How did your opration turn out ?????
What's an opration?

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<quoted text>they can interfere with the action of our own estrogen. Next? how does that work with newborns, idiot? Next
It's going to turn us all into Satan's Gay Zombies.
Next.
(Poe's Law...)

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-State Rights
-10th Amendment
-9th Amendment
BTW, if you care to know what the founders thought about State right's you should review the following:
Kentucky Resolution- Thomas Jefferson
He's worm poop now, and I'm no more concerned about what he thought about states rights than I am concerned about what he thought about the rights of women and black people when it comes to the laws we have today.

"States' Rights" was a catch phrase used by the segregationists back in the 60's to try and "justify" Jim Crow Laws. The 14th Amendment, written about 100 years after some worm pooped bits of Jefferson out of its backside, says the states have to give all US citizens equal protection under the law. It was quoted in Loving v. VA.

Why are you against equal protection?

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There is nothing to get around, it only requires equality under the law, doesn't say anything about everyone getting to do anything they please.
Can a woman marry a man? Yes.
Can a man marry a man? No.
No != Yes

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