Fugitive Polygamist Jeffs Arrested In Las Vegas

I don't know if people would be as opposed to this sect as they are if the sect did not get so much of its money from the US Treasury under various grazing rights programs.

Keeping so many wives and keeping them subjugated and uneducated doesn't seem to really trouble all that many people. Doing it at taxpayer expense sure does though.

So you want the women to file as married instead of single so that they won't reap the benefits of being a single mother? The government doesn't view these women as being married, so why should they file as being married? If they filed as being married then the government would bring charges against them for lying on their tax forms. I'm sure you would attack them either way.

By the way, it's easy to make accusations without evidence. For instance, christian women are subjugated and uneducated. See? Easy.

To be a good example, I'll even provide some evidence. The Bible says, "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord." (Ephesians 5:22)

I guess the "christian" women who believe in the Bible are no better than women in the FLDS. Maybe if they were better educated they would know this, so they would not make fools of themselves, condemning those for holding to beliefs, in which they claim to believe, but don't.:)

I know it's a fictional show but Big Love portrays a loving polygamous family living in Salt Lake and all three wives are over 28 & there by CHOICE. Polygamy should not be a criminal offense. Monogamists are also criminals in many cases. However, child abuse, statutory rape, child abandonment & welfare fraud ARE criminal offenes. Uncle Pedophile will get a fair trial allright but he won't like the verdict.

Brian wrote:

Using FLDS as anything other than an extreme example of religion & polygamy is a mistake. This group is a true religious cult being run by a controlling mob. I have met kids who have escaped Jeff's FLDS group in Colorado City and they tell some pretty horrifying tales of mind control by the elders using fear of the outside world and threats against their family.
But to be truthful it is unfair to paint all polygamists with the same brush. There are polygamist families in my town in Utah with kids in the public school system. They are obviously not mainstream LDS Mormans by any definition (and can't be), but they are not in hiding and are not living on a secluded compound. Their kids will speak openly about plural marriage and most are not interested in pursuing that direction themselves. The girls are not being forced into marriage and the boys are not being pushed out to 'save' the girls for the old men. They are simply good honest people pursuing a religion that they believe is right in the eyes of God. I don't approve of it personally, but I do believe in their right to worship their religion as they see it.
I do feel sorry for the kids, trying to coexist with the kids from the 'real world', but these people do not deserve to be persecuted for their beliefs or thrown in jail for breaking a marriage law.

Bro, Brent Hartman,

In regards to your comment on Section 20 on how the duties of an Elder and Priest differ depending on who is present.

You are correct in your readings; it does not include administering the sacrament, in context. Continue reading to verse 52, saying, "In all these duties the priest is to assist the elder if occasion requires." The occasion is that a priest(s) have the opportunity to practice the sacrament prayer, in a real situation. Then, when the time comes, that priest becomes an elder and is sent on a mission where he will be the only one who can administer the sacrament. He will be prepared because of all those Sundays he blessed the sacrament. Under the guidance of the presiding elder.

Also, the footnote in verse 52 takes you to D&C 107:14. This gives a priest full right to administer outward ordinances, aka, the sacrament.

The whole point of the Aaronic Priesthood is that it is a Preparatory Priesthood. Getting young men worthy to receive the Melchizedek Priesthood, the greater one.

As for you comment on "kneel with the church". This one in my mind is a little more difficult to explain.

One way of looking at it is that your not looking at it from the right perspective. When you "kneel”, it means your being reverent, focused on something, and most importantly giving respect. I once heard that if Jesus Christ had a favorite scripture, wouldn't he want everyone to be silent, their heads bowed their full attention, and the person saying it kneeling.

The point is that kneeling may not be the important thing, but how the prayer is said. Which is important.

However, if that doesn't satisfy you, here's my second answer.

Whoever is giving the prayer is in fact saying it for everyone, "...all those who partake..." so when he kneels when he is saying the prayer he is kneeling for the whole congregation. Which is a more literal meaning.

My overall point is that when you take scripture and look at it word for word and only take out a grammatical meaning. All you will find is debate and confusion. Scripture is meant to be read with open eyes and an open heart. I don't know the meaning of every verse, only Heavenly Father knows, since he gave it. However, since we try to look at scripture from our own clouded understanding, like many people do. All it has lead to is the many spilt of churches.

Try to look for the deeper meaning; there is where you find the truth.

"What is the rule of interpretation? Just no interpretation at all. Understand it precisely as it reads." Joseph Smith

Brother Nelson, you stated, "Try to look for the deeper meaning; there is where you find the truth."

I hope that one day your interpretation of the scriptures will reflect that of the prophet Joseph Smith. Until that day, just what do you think the deeper meaning is that God intended, by leaving out administering the sacrament when an elder is present? Perhaps it was the same as in verse 49 when God instructed priest not to take the lead of meetings when an elder is present.

You mention D&C 107:14. I agree that priest have the priesthood authority to administer the sacrament, but that it must be done in accordance with the commandents of God in D&C section 20.

I found your thoughts on kneeling very interesting. As long as we are kneeling in thought, then that fulfills the commandment God gave in the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants for the congregation to kneel with those administering the sacrament. Kind of like sprinkling is substituted for immersion in the ordinance of baptism. It's the thought that counts.

Maybe one day the scriptures will be changed to conform to your interpretations. Until that day, I will read the scripture, "precisely as it reads".

Valarie wrote:

They aren't "Mormons" in any way, shape or form. "Mormons" is the nickname for members of the Church of Jesus Christ of LatterDay Saints. Anyone who would try to practice polygamy under the LDS church would be excommunicated - no longer members of the church. The Church leaders have also strongly come out against child abuse, abuse against women in any way, shape or form. To put this article under the search term "LDS" or "Mormon" is inappropriate, misleading and harmful to the membership of the Church of Jesus Christ of LatterDay Saints and I would hope that this news site would cease and desist "lumping" factions with no connection to the LDS Church in with the actual legitimate membership. It taints the "Mormons" with the same unsavory brush.

Hello, I know for a fact that the LDS church is aware of many in their church that are practicing pologomy and do not remove them from their church. The "BISHOP" themselves are abusive to a submissive wife. The is not GOD's will.

I agree with you, Jim. In fact, the LDS church is one of the greatest persecuters of polygamist in this country. LDS people hate polygamist. Why? I guess that it's because polygamist remind them of all the parts of the gospel that they've rejected.

One hundred years ago, times were different and there were different expectations of fourteen year old girls...we were largely an agrarian society and large families were the norm on farms as they were unpaid help, schooling was not as available as it is now and jobs were not available with training and were not high tech. That might have justified fourteen year olds getting married. I have an Aunt raised on a farm who ran away to marry a much older man with the means to support her and put her through school and they did quite well in life--but that was long ago. There is absolutely no way to tie that day and age to today's world. S.

eu conheço o elder nelson ele ja veio aqui na minha casa passar a palavra varias vezes muito legal....

cesar wrote:

eu conheço o elder nelson ele ja veio aqui na minha casa passar a palavra varias vezes muito legal....

¡Sí!¡Tengo gusto también de SpaghettiOs, pero no demasiado caliente, si no se queman mi lengüeta!

You should really read up on this if you haven't.

Kay wrote:

I know it's a fictional show but Big Love portrays a loving polygamous family living in Salt Lake and all three wives are over 28 & there by CHOICE. Polygamy should not be a criminal offense. Monogamists are also criminals in many cases. However, child abuse, statutory rape, child abandonment & welfare fraud ARE criminal offenes. Uncle Pedophile will get a fair trial allright but he won't like the verdict.
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Yes, I have seen that show and it makes it love attractive. Those who have lived polygamy say if it were that great, more would be doing it.
Even the ones in Centennial Park with money and just three wives
said there's jealousy and the other thing is that three women and 22 kids rely on one man. They said if anything happened to him, they'd look for another polygamous man.