Where is Michael Porter?

Why have Mrs. Briggs and her supporters only discussed the mother on these forums? Where is the dangerous criminal (Michael Porter) imprisoned and why didn't the torch bearing witch hunters go after him?

That's already been discussed on here, go back and read the threads. Porter's in prison for the next 29 years as he should be, just like RD will be for at least the next 26 yrs, as she should be. Both should have gotten life. One or both did it and if only one did it, one could have stopped it and did not.

NoUse wrote:

That's already been discussed on here, go back and read the threads. Porter's in prison for the next 29 years as he should be, just like RD will be for at least the next 26 yrs, as she should be. Both should have gotten life. One or both did it and if only one did it, one could have stopped it and did not.

Why do you feel compelled to answer every question? You claim to be an outsider but you are consumed with hate. You cannot seriously think anyone is buying your act? If so, I have some ocean front property in Arizona I would like to list. Why did you avoid the question and attempt to steer the topic? Why will you not discuss the child molester? Michael Porter should be the one discussed. Otherwise, what good are you doing anyone?

First of all, you didn't address your question to any certain person, as this IS a public message board, last time I checked anyone can post anything to anyone. I am an outsider. I am not a Briggs, not related to, not married to, etc, etc. Don't really give a damn what you buy and what you don't. I didn't avoid ANY question my dear, it has already been asked and answered on one of these threads as to why no one speaks much of Porter. I for one am not going to keep repeating myself on that subject, you want to know what people said about it, look it up on here, it's here somewhere. Been asked, been answered. Mrs. Briggs has not been to, nor posted on this site and that is very easy for RD's wonderful attorney to find out. Kathie isn't stupid like you all try to make her out to be. And quite frankly my dear, she probably doesn't give a damn what you or anyone else says or thinks of her.
As for discussing "the child molester", no one was proven to BE a "child molester" in this case. Like it or not, that is the truth. Some of you RD supporters like to harp on that because it is easier for you to believe that (and blame) a man would do that than a child's own mother. That simply is not so, IF Kelsey was sexually molested, there is no evidence to PROVE IN A COURT OF LAW that Porter did it. As I stated before, from the amount of men RD left Kelsey with when she went out, and yeah so one or so was gay, does NOT mean that someone else could not have molested her before. 3 doctors could NOT agree that child was molested. Just because it makes it easier for you to convince people Porter is guilty and RD is innocent does NOT mean it is the truth, nor does it prove that it actually happened, nor who did it.
Porter isn't trying to weasel his way out of prison. He's not throwing KB and LB under the bus every chance he gets to try to prove his innocence, he actually is acting a whole lot brighter than RD. He is at least taking a small part of responsibility in this case, and however small it may be, it is a helluva lot more than RD has or ever will take. There, asked and answered.....again. Maybe others will give you their opinions and reasons why they don't talk much about Porter. He's guilty too, we know that, to what extent is what we do not know.
Don't like my answer I know, I know.

This is right. Research the time given for murder in Oklahoma and you will find he got a much longer sentence than most. Also let's not forget, a life sentence does not mean LIFE. In Oklahoma it means 45 years with a minimum of 15 served before parole consideration.

The Death Penalty in Oklahoma has to have aggravating circumstances proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Also, all death penalties automatically go through the appeals process. The DA has to ask for the death penalty and he did not do it in this case. Possibly because he didn't want to take the chance that the jury may have doubt about Mike Porter's guilt and not convict because they think they might be sending an innocent person to the gas chamber.

Best case scenario if he had gone to trial would be life without parole. But that is only if he had been found guilty. 30 years on a plea agreement is better than less time than that for murder, if he had been convicted.

I still don't understand why it matters what the wording of the crime states as long as he's in prison for 30 years. What if he had taken the plea for 25 years for manslaughter? It would have been less time, but it would have been a charge for a death. Is it because people want him to carry the word murder over his head in prison so bad things will happen to him? I'm sure that where ever he is, the other inmates know why he's there. If it's okay to wish for bad things to happen to Mike Porter in prison, is it okay to wish for bad things to happen to Raye Dawn because of what her conviction is? I don't think it's right to wish bad things on anyone no matter what we think they may have done. It is not our place to do so. My opinion is that no matter what the wording of the crime is, they are at least serving that time. I'm certain neither one of them are serving it comfortably.

NoUse wrote:

First of all, you didn't address your question to any certain person, as this IS a public message board, last time I checked anyone can post anything to anyone. I am an outsider. I am not a Briggs, not related to, not married to, etc, etc. Don't really give a damn what you buy and what you don't. I didn't avoid ANY question my dear, it has already been asked and answered on one of these threads as to why no one speaks much of Porter. I for one am not going to keep repeating myself on that subject, you want to know what people said about it, look it up on here, it's here somewhere. Been asked, been answered. Mrs. Briggs has not been to, nor posted on this site and that is very easy for RD's wonderful attorney to find out. Kathie isn't stupid like you all try to make her out to be. And quite frankly my dear, she probably doesn't give a damn what you or anyone else says or thinks of her.
As for discussing "the child molester", no one was proven to BE a "child molester" in this case. Like it or not, that is the truth. Some of you RD supporters like to harp on that because it is easier for you to believe that (and blame) a man would do that than a child's own mother. That simply is not so, IF Kelsey was sexually molested, there is no evidence to PROVE IN A COURT OF LAW that Porter did it. As I stated before, from the amount of men RD left Kelsey with when she went out, and yeah so one or so was gay, does NOT mean that someone else could not have molested her before. 3 doctors could NOT agree that child was molested. Just because it makes it easier for you to convince people Porter is guilty and RD is innocent does NOT mean it is the truth, nor does it prove that it actually happened, nor who did it.
Porter isn't trying to weasel his way out of prison. He's not throwing KB and LB under the bus every chance he gets to try to prove his innocence, he actually is acting a whole lot brighter than RD. He is at least taking a small part of responsibility in this case, and however small it may be, it is a helluva lot more than RD has or ever will take. There, asked and answered.....again. Maybe others will give you their opinions and reasons why they don't talk much about Porter. He's guilty too, we know that, to what extent is what we do not know.
Don't like my answer I know, I know.

Excellent! Agree with every word!!!

Thank you. I agree with your post. It is frustrating and aggravating to keep having to answer the same things over and over because someone goes and changes their name and comes back and re-asks. Which we know has went on in some of this.
I agree that while it does not seem "fair" to the victim...KELSEY....that no one has the burden to carry the title of "murderer" on their record, BOTH people responsible for the care and well being of this child, BOTH who were with this baby on Oct.11,2005, and BOTH that had the opportunity to murder this child, are BOTH sitting in prison with fairly decent sentences. I do not wish either of them harm in prison, I just wish them to both be haunted by Kelsey's beaten, battered and bruised body, the killer with this baby's cries during the fatal beating that took the life from her. If that makes me a bad person, then so be it. I am so angered and do not understand how what happened to Kelsey is played down to the extent it is in defense of the mother, who if she did not kill her child, at the least failed to protect her child. It angers me when people portray Raye Dawn Smith as the victim in this case. SHE IS NOT! Kelsey Briggs is. Raye Dawn is only a victim of herself, her choices, her actions and lack of, nothing more. The whole damn state of Oklahoma has not, did not, "conspire" with Kathie Briggs against the convicted felon, Raye Dawn Smith. Who cares if she gets a new trial? I don't. The outcome will be the same or more time. No matter how the facts are manipulated, twisted, lied about, edited, added to, etc etc, they will NOT CHANGE. The FACTS are FACTS. FACT IS, Raye Dawn admitted in her OSBI interview that SHE KNEW Kelsey was being abused, and she did nothing to protect her (if she wasn't abusing her herself) That makes her guilty of the crime for which she was convicted of. Plain & simple.

Godiswatching wrote:

This is right. Research the time given for murder in Oklahoma and you will find he got a much longer sentence than most. Also let's not forget, a life sentence does not mean LIFE. In Oklahoma it means 45 years with a minimum of 15 served before parole consideration.
The Death Penalty in Oklahoma has to have aggravating circumstances proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Also, all death penalties automatically go through the appeals process. The DA has to ask for the death penalty and he did not do it in this case. Possibly because he didn't want to take the chance that the jury may have doubt about Mike Porter's guilt and not convict because they think they might be sending an innocent person to the gas chamber.
Best case scenario if he had gone to trial would be life without parole. But that is only if he had been found guilty. 30 years on a plea agreement is better than less time than that for murder, if he had been convicted.
I still don't understand why it matters what the wording of the crime states as long as he's in prison for 30 years. What if he had taken the plea for 25 years for manslaughter? It would have been less time, but it would have been a charge for a death. Is it because people want him to carry the word murder over his head in prison so bad things will happen to him? I'm sure that where ever he is, the other inmates know why he's there. If it's okay to wish for bad things to happen to Mike Porter in prison, is it okay to wish for bad things to happen to Raye Dawn because of what her conviction is? I don't think it's right to wish bad things on anyone no matter what we think they may have done. It is not our place to do so. My opinion is that no matter what the wording of the crime is, they are at least serving that time. I'm certain neither one of them are serving it comfortably.

I agree with everything you said NoUse and it is only human nature to be angry and want people to pay dearly for things that they do, especially when they're done to children or people that you love. Believe me when I say that I know how it feels to want to make someone pay and pay dearly for what they've done to you and your family. But Jesus tells us that we are not to wish harm to people, but actually we are to love them and pray for them and I think this is THE hardest thing he ever told us to do.
I just wanted to know if that was the reason they keep screaming about Mike Porter's plea deal and what prison he's in. I can see no other reason to worry about what the wording is or what prison he is in unless they are trying to have harm caused to him. Before someone comes on here and says I'm defending Mike Porter, if someone were doing things like this to Raye Dawn, I would say the same thing. But I haven't heard of any stories of anyone on the outside causing trouble for Raye Dawn in prison.

I don't know if I've posted this on this board anywhere or not, if not then here it is, if so, then sorry for the repeat.
I like so many, many others, would absolutely LOVE for there to be concrete proof that Mike Porter is the only monster in this case. If all the evidence pointed solely to him that would be a relief. Relief because as a mother it is hard for me to wrap my mind around the thought that a MOTHER could do this to her precious baby. It hurts in my gut to think RD did any of this. It is sickens me to the very depths of my heart and soul. It does not matter WHO would do this to a helpless, innocent child, it is sickening, but even more heartwrenching to think or know a MOTHER would or could do this. If there were evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt MP is the only guilty one, I would be one of the first to apologize to RD.

I think that raye dawn shouldn't be in prison. I believe Kathie Briggs is the one who abused Kelsey.

Maybe you should actually read the official documents on this case before you think too much. And yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense for Kathie to be the one doing all the abusing, and her being the one reporting the abuse Kelsey was suffering all that time to everyone she could. And so, what about Oct.11,2005 then? What do you "think" happened THAT day? Kathie snuck over there and beat Kelsey to death while Raye Dawn slept all afternoon? What about the other bruising and injuries that Kelsey got while in her sorry mother's care when none of the Briggs had been around Kelsey? Or do you just not "think" Kelsey was being abused?
amazing.

Kelsey WAS sexually abused although he was charged with it at first they dropped the charge that doesn't mean it didn't happen.After disturbing her resting place digging up the body and proving the fact that she was. After putting the famlies through all that pain they dropped the charge.And someday a sexual child abuser and murderer will walk out of prison and won't have to register as what he really is. I hope none of my grandchildren are ever around this pig.

Whoa, whoa, whoa....it was absolutely NOT "proven" that Kelsey was in fact sexually abused. Three, count them, three different doctors COULD NOT AGREE that she was sexually abused. That is a false statement, it is not a "proven fact".
Someday a murderer of an innocent child will walk out of prison, and hopefully she/he will be kept away from all children then too.

just my opnion wrote:

Kelsey WAS sexually abused although he was charged with it at first they dropped the charge that doesn't mean it didn't happen.After disturbing her resting place digging up the body and proving the fact that she was. After putting the famlies through all that pain they dropped the charge.And someday a sexual child abuser and murderer will walk out of prison and won't have to register as what he really is. I hope none of my grandchildren are ever around this pig.

NoUse wrote:

I don't know if I've posted this on this board anywhere or not, if not then here it is, if so, then sorry for the repeat.
I like so many, many others, would absolutely LOVE for there to be concrete proof that Mike Porter is the only monster in this case. If all the evidence pointed solely to him that would be a relief. Relief because as a mother it is hard for me to wrap my mind around the thought that a MOTHER could do this to her precious baby. It hurts in my gut to think RD did any of this. It is sickens me to the very depths of my heart and soul. It does not matter WHO would do this to a helpless, innocent child, it is sickening, but even more heartwrenching to think or know a MOTHER would or could do this. If there were evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt MP is the only guilty one, I would be one of the first to apologize to RD.

If you meant this, I actually think this is pretty big of you to have made this statement!

fromoktotx wrote:

I think that raye dawn shouldn't be in prison. I believe Kathie Briggs is the one who abused Kelsey.

Gee!!!!!!!! This is very bold of you. What brings about your opinion?

NoUse wrote:

Maybe you should actually read the official documents on this case before you think too much. And yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense for Kathie to be the one doing all the abusing, and her being the one reporting the abuse Kelsey was suffering all that time to everyone she could. And so, what about Oct.11,2005 then? What do you "think" happened THAT day? Kathie snuck over there and beat Kelsey to death while Raye Dawn slept all afternoon? What about the other bruising and injuries that Kelsey got while in her sorry mother's care when none of the Briggs had been around Kelsey? Or do you just not "think" Kelsey was being abused?
amazing.

WOW!!!!!!!!!! I gotta agree with you on that one!

NoUse wrote:

Whoa, whoa, whoa....it was absolutely NOT "proven" that Kelsey was in fact sexually abused. Three, count them, three different doctors COULD NOT AGREE that she was sexually abused. That is a false statement, it is not a "proven fact".
Someday a murderer of an innocent child will walk out of prison, and hopefully she/he will be kept away from all children then too.
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But really, what the hell was
FORCED between Kelsey's legs?????? what would be a logical answer to that? What else would cause that kind of damage to her genital area?

I haven't made up my mind about this part yet because I'm not a doctor or a medical examiner but I do know that the ME testified that it could have been caused by a swift kick or kneeing. My problem with this is that you have two very experienced doctors giving two different opinions and a third doctor (I don't know his experience) giving another.

Kris, I do mean it. I'm a smartass on here and I know it. But that does not mean I hate Raye Dawn. I do hate what she did and/or allowed to happen to her daughter. But I do not hate HER. I actually feel sorry for her, whether she actually killed Kelsey or Porter did it. Whether she abused Kelsey or let Porter do it. Even if she killed Kelsey, I still feel sorry for her. Sorry that she will never know the person that her daughter had the ability to become. Never know any grandchildren that Kesley could have given her. Never be the "mother of the bride" for Kelsey. Never help pick out a prom dress or wedding gown. Never witness Kelsey's first innocent kiss with the little neighbor boy, or little classmate. Sooo much she's going to never know, not only about her daughter, but herself too. Our children help us grow as parents, and individuals, whatever Kelsey would have contributed not only to RD's life, but to herself as a person, is gone, now she will never know.
And I don't want to blame RD for something she did not do. But I base my opinions and who I think is guilty for what, on the evidence that I know, the official documents, etc. I'm not out to "get Raye Dawn", I'm out to get the truth. And how anyone could say that Raye Dawn is totaly innocent of anything to do with what happened to Kelsey is beyond me? She admitted she knew Kelsey was being abused in her OSBI interview. Kelsey TOLD Raye that daddy Mike hurt her. Raye Dawn is not stupid, and that's why it angers me when people say things that make her look like an embicile, and she's not, and that only hurts her side, not help it.
If Porter were to make a full confession tomorrow, I would make a public apology to Raye Dawn. I have no problem doing that, if I am wrong, I am wrong, and there is no reason or need to make excuses. If you're wrong, you're wrong, plain & simple.
I really do wish there was concrete proof to prove Raye Dawn did not harm her own child. It tears me up when I see or read cases where mothers have stood by and watched as their boyfriends, hang their children by their hands or feet in a room as punishment. When they stand by and watch as the B/F handcuffs their 5 yr old child to the mailbox in the front yard, naked as punishment for having an accident and wetting their pants. When they watch as their little girl is tied to a chair, sometimes left alone tied to the chair while everyone else goes to Walmart. When they watch as their child is denied food while watching the other children get to eat. Watch and their child is made to use a litter box in their closet bedroom and not allowed to use a bathroom. I cannot grasp a mother doing, participating in, or allowing anything mean to be done to their own child. A child that grew inside their own bodies and nurtured by the mothers body for 9 whole months. A child that looks up to and only knows in the beginning unconditional love for their parents. It eats you up wondering what was going through that child's mind when the mother doesn't protect them, or when the mother is inflicting their pain, etc. Anyway, I need to get off that subject. But I did mean it. Thanks for your post.

Kris wrote:

<quoted text>If you meant this, I actually think this is pretty big of you to have made this statement!

Ok I understand that, but...lol
That was one ME's opinion. Another ME stated that the damage done, including the tear could have been caused from the force of the blows to her abdomen. See that's what I'm saying, THREE doctors could not agree it was sexual assault. No DNA, and yes we know who's fault that was, but apparently that ME did not find anything that led him to believe she'd been sexually assaulted, right?
We don't know for a FACT that anything was forced between her legs. And if you go with scenario, then my answer would be, it could have been anything. Then that brings into play the suspicious actions of Raye Dawn seeking out a vibrator that she'd had a long time according to her, and she seeks it out days after her daughter was murdered, and throws it away? Why? It hadn't ever been used according to RD. What would put it into her mind, while she is grieving the loss of her child to find that vibrator, or even if she'd accidentally came across it? what would play in her mind to make her think to throw it away now? Why not toss it aside as it had been all that time? So many questions and not enough proof for answers. That's the problem with this case. See what I mean? Hell in the pictures there I believe there was a hair brush laying on the floor. Why wasn't that taken into evidence? Shoddy, shoddy police work from the very beginning in this case, that is why I truely with all my heart believe we will never know the whole truth, short of a full blown confession from the killer. Too many mistakes in this case.

Kris wrote:

<quoted text>But really, what the hell was
FORCED between Kelsey's legs?????? what would be a logical answer to that? What else would cause that kind of damage to her genital area?