What we think: Hate: Alive and festering

Rob wrote:

It is a big hurdle asking one, or hoping that one, will even be able to acknowledge the underlying fear that incites hate. I mean, we do see small examples of times when fear, dislike, competition are put aside for compassion, awareness and a desire to be part of a solution. It seems like it is almost to late for the realizations or awakenings though. If forum was an example I would believe that we are doomed as we write.
The amount of paranoia and aggression alone should be enough to sink a large turtle shaped island.
It has been good to have a 'connect' that is thoughtful, thanks.
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Don't be discouraged by what you read here "If forum was an example I would believe that we are doomed as we write."

See, I speak from what I know. The reason I come onto these forums is to engage hate, and to hopefully reach some.

And here is what I have learned: The ones on these forums that spout hatred, are very similiar to each other - and the hatred comes strictly out of ignorance. But not just lack of knowledge - that is a different thing. Willfull and chosen ignorance is what is exhibited here. And for me, that is my hatred. My prejudice if you will. Hatred based on chosen actions, even if they are actions of the mind.

Intelligent people are also reached here, and this connect was indeed the one I was hoping for on this forum.

What's not to hate. Who is the biggest war mongers on the planet? Who runs the media? Putting their slant on everything. Who complains the most? Who is the ACLU? Cannot you see why people dislike others? Who wants the mexicans to keep coming into the USA? Take a look at who is ruining the USA from within?

I am gay man and an American citizen. For the last four years I’ve been with J, an undocumented immigrant from Mexico. I feel bad that I have to stress that he is not a bad person, has a job, and has never committed a crime. At this point in our national discussion on illegal immigration, we have such a distorted image of what an undocumented immigrant is. We start out by calling him an illegal, instead of a undocumented immigrant that he is. That is what many people automatically believe about undocumented immigrants; that they ARE illegal. Some believe that they are coming into this country specifically to commit as much crimes as they can get away with while they are here, and that they are a drain on our system. They argue that if you came here illegally, you then base your life on an illegal action, and everything you do after that is therefore illegal. Being undocumented, in fact, is not a criminal offense, but a civil one.

We live together. We are in love and want to spend the rest of our lives together. I knew that this issue was ours to deal with from the beginning, but now that our relationship has grown much more serious, I would like to find a way somehow for him to become a US citizen, but there doesn’t seem to be any solution anytime soon. I’m angry that there are at least 16 other countries that would allow a same sex couple to marry each other for immigration purposes. Why is age of consent and sexual preference such big hang ups in the US?

Both Democratic presidential candidates have promised to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act of 1996, and say that they would offer a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants as part of immigration reform, but I feel that immigration reform is not a high priority for any of the presidential candidates.
I feel like there really isn't much sympathy or empathy for us in either the vast gay community or the immigrant rights community. Thank you for listening.

Gay Mexican wrote:

I am gay man and an American citizen. For the last four years I’ve been with J, an undocumented immigrant from Mexico. I feel bad that I have to stress that he is not a bad person, has a job, and has never committed a crime. At this point in our national discussion on illegal immigration, we have such a distorted image of what an undocumented immigrant is. We start out by calling him an illegal, instead of a undocumented immigrant that he is. That is what many people automatically believe about undocumented immigrants; that they ARE illegal. Some believe that they are coming into this country specifically to commit as much crimes as they can get away with while they are here, and that they are a drain on our system. They argue that if you came here illegally, you then base your life on an illegal action, and everything you do after that is therefore illegal. Being undocumented, in fact, is not a criminal offense, but a civil one.
We live together. We are in love and want to spend the rest of our lives together. I knew that this issue was ours to deal with from the beginning, but now that our relationship has grown much more serious, I would like to find a way somehow for him to become a US citizen, but there doesn’t seem to be any solution anytime soon. I’m angry that there are at least 16 other countries that would allow a same sex couple to marry each other for immigration purposes. Why is age of consent and sexual preference such big hang ups in the US?
Both Democratic presidential candidates have promised to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act of 1996, and say that they would offer a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants as part of immigration reform, but I feel that immigration reform is not a high priority for any of the presidential candidates.
I feel like there really isn't much sympathy or empathy for us in either the vast gay community or the immigrant rights community. Thank you for listening.

Dont touch me,I dont want no disease!

Gay Mexican wrote:

I am gay man and an American citizen. For the last four years I’ve been with J, an undocumented immigrant from Mexico. I feel bad that I have to stress that he is not a bad person, has a job, and has never committed a crime. At this point in our national discussion on illegal immigration, we have such a distorted image of what an undocumented immigrant is. We start out by calling him an illegal, instead of a undocumented immigrant that he is. That is what many people automatically believe about undocumented immigrants; that they ARE illegal. Some believe that they are coming into this country specifically to commit as much crimes as they can get away with while they are here, and that they are a drain on our system. They argue that if you came here illegally, you then base your life on an illegal action, and everything you do after that is therefore illegal. Being undocumented, in fact, is not a criminal offense, but a civil one.
We live together. We are in love and want to spend the rest of our lives together. I knew that this issue was ours to deal with from the beginning, but now that our relationship has grown much more serious, I would like to find a way somehow for him to become a US citizen, but there doesn’t seem to be any solution anytime soon. I’m angry that there are at least 16 other countries that would allow a same sex couple to marry each other for immigration purposes. Why is age of consent and sexual preference such big hang ups in the US?
Both Democratic presidential candidates have promised to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act of 1996, and say that they would offer a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants as part of immigration reform, but I feel that immigration reform is not a high priority for any of the presidential candidates.
I feel like there really isn't much sympathy or empathy for us in either the vast gay community or the immigrant rights community. Thank you for listening.

Go with your future bride, groom?? And live happily ever after in Mexico. Problem solved.

Gay Mexican wrote:

I am gay man and an American citizen. For the last four years I’ve been with J, an undocumented immigrant from Mexico. I feel bad that I have to stress that he is not a bad person, has a job, and has never committed a crime. At this point in our national discussion on illegal immigration, we have such a distorted image of what an undocumented immigrant is. We start out by calling him an illegal, instead of a undocumented immigrant that he is. That is what many people automatically believe about undocumented immigrants; that they ARE illegal. Some believe that they are coming into this country specifically to commit as much crimes as they can get away with while they are here, and that they are a drain on our system. They argue that if you came here illegally, you then base your life on an illegal action, and everything you do after that is therefore illegal. Being undocumented, in fact, is not a criminal offense, but a civil one.
We live together. We are in love and want to spend the rest of our lives together. I knew that this issue was ours to deal with from the beginning, but now that our relationship has grown much more serious, I would like to find a way somehow for him to become a US citizen, but there doesn’t seem to be any solution anytime soon. I’m angry that there are at least 16 other countries that would allow a same sex couple to marry each other for immigration purposes. Why is age of consent and sexual preference such big hang ups in the US?
Both Democratic presidential candidates have promised to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act of 1996, and say that they would offer a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants as part of immigration reform, but I feel that immigration reform is not a high priority for any of the presidential candidates.
I feel like there really isn't much sympathy or empathy for us in either the vast gay community or the immigrant rights community. Thank you for listening.

Why don't you and your illegal gay buddy move down to Mexico? That way we'll be rid of both of you vermin. Thanks for listening.

Jesus.

Go live in Mexico with him. One less illegal alien, one less gay in America.

Don't sit around in my American 'hood and use my time to promote your gay agendas and illegal alien agendas. America has far too many of both.

But please...don't ask Mexican authorities to "marry" you. You might not like their reaction.