Nov 11, 2009 | Posted by: Abu Najda
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“Peace, Justice, Honesty, Adab” Since: Mar 09
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This is sad to see fro me. I remember the Imam before 2003 and before his incarceration.
"Friends tell me that at that time Aulaqi's views were far more sensible, with no hint of his later extremism. Indeed, in an interview with National Geographic magazine following the 9/11 attacks September 2001 Aulaqi's responses were notably measured and reasonable." This was also my experience, but I cannot agree with the Imams take on the Fort Hood ** murders **. I am with Inayat on this one - 100% I pray that God gives him guidance. |
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“The Truth is Out There........” Since: Aug 08
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between 2001 and 2008, there are iraq and afganistan.... and blood of countless muslims.
Someone's view may change after seeing all these. |
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1 Ok, so the question is...are there credible muslim scholars who have spoke out about this terrorists? Which sura and aya would they use to say this is wrong? I don't know of any sura or aya that would condem this terrorist. No where in the quran does it forbid muslims from killing non muslims if they 'feel' muslims are being oppressed by non muslims. You're stuck with the words of your book. It almost seems as if allah wants you to be disliked by the majority of the Non muslim world. So, you're always going to feel some muslim in some part of the world is being oppressed by a Non muslim. |
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Muslims lives taken more by there fellow muslims then anyone else, and I care about those muslim lives You don't ! If you did you would stop being to damn arrogant and proud eager to blame everything on non muslims and you would find the courage to face whats WRONG IN ISLAM SO THAT IT CAN BE FIXED IF THATS EVEN POSSIBLE! I cared enough!!! How about you try it? |
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1 I and other apostates are the only people I know who were ever islam supporters, And yet give a flip about islams victims as a matter of fact every single Apostate I know and I know several, and hope to know more, Is an Apostate because we gave a flip about the victims of islam and were persecuting for caring! |
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“The Truth is Out There........” Since: Aug 08
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1 It is for the Fort Hood shooter... as well as the US Govt itself. There are many things that AzZakkum don't know, or want to know. |
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“The Truth is Out There........” Since: Aug 08
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You are partially right. but have you considered the 'non-muslims' started the game and spending billions of dollars everyday to run the ugly show? |
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That is a hypocritical ayiat from Quran because the same Quran commands to kill non-Muslims. |
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You know nothing!! That single aya was given to the JEWS!! I know EVERYTHING that is FORBIDDEN by allah, and there is NOTHING that forbids muslims from killing NON muslims or the so called un-believers! In fact, there are more ayats that support the killing of the un-believers than there are to live in peace with them! Another fact, it is FORBIDDEN for a muslim to kill a believing muslim. The muslim army terrorist believes the taliban are good 'believing' muslims! Got anything else? |
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And how many angolas are fighting the taliban? You think they are good muslims, right? |
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Az Zaqqum, go easy on "Passers by", these idiot converts do not yet realize there are more Ex-Muslims than there are converts.
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Well, they do seem to know more about hadith and sharia than they do about their quran. I'm starting to think that when they convert, they are NOT taught about the quran. I bet he believes in killing apostates, too. Doesn't say that in the quran, does it? Seeya :D |
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“The Truth is Out There........” Since: Aug 08
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Yes, you are right. It also calls to fight with those (i.e. kill) who forward to fight with you. And if they dont restrain, fight with them in such a way that it create panic in their hearts. so what's wrong? Islam is not all about roses, it's guns n roses. That's why I like it. it has no hypocracy. |
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“The Truth is Out There........” Since: Aug 08
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as I told you in other topics, I respect you as a 'scholar'. because you take extra pains to collect shits..... you are a in fact a great 'shit scholar'! Anyway, what's the latest about your historic book- the humor of islam? Just curious. |
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“The Truth is Out There........” Since: Aug 08
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1 I think talibans are better than the americans in a way that they didn't attack other country with a lame excuses. they are fighting to liberate their own country from the foreign occupiers. So they are 'good' muslim in that sense. |
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“The Truth is Out There........” Since: Aug 08
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My friend, you misread me. I am not a convert, a muslim to the bone. But I guess you are not a ex-muslim, because all ex-muslim I know have better knowledge than you. because at lest they know when you read some verses you have to consider its 'Shan-e-nuzul'. When you read the 'war verses' you should read its 'shan-e-nuzul' also. then everything will be clear to you. And you will discober that it is a tolarent religion even in a situation like war. |
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Prides Crossing, MA |
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1 Did you know that Mullah Omar, the leader of the Taliban, is not even an Afghani? He's Pakistani. Did you know that Pakistan supported him so that they could influence Afghanistan? Did you know that the attacks against the Taliban in the invasion were actually performed by Afghanis themselves while the US gave them air support? The Taliban had no right or anything even close to any mandate to rule that land, and again, half of them aren't even Afghanis. So, did the Taliban ask the Afghanis whether they wanted them to rule or offer the people any sort of referendum? No, of course not. They did it the Islamic way. Violent revolution. So to say that the Taliban has any legitimacy at all is absolute nonsense. They just happened to be the strongest thug at the time, that's all. That's the way things work in the uncivilized Middle East. And after they gained control, they offered no referendums where the people's voices could be heard, which is a superior offer the US gave them. So go back to the people that tell you these little fairy tales about Taliban legitimacy and ask them why they lie to you so much. |
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“The Truth is Out There........” Since: Aug 08
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The war verses:
Bakara: "190. Fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. 191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter;..... ....192. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." I think US commander in afganistan will agree that it is a more acceptable guidance for a war. |
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Passive Bi, I know what those war verse means and just before leaving Islam I was brainwashed like you with them as well think they are for defense. But when one thinks putting them into a "neutral" sit instead of holding "a Muslim" position, they can clearly see that these Koranic verses are nothing but hate mongering against non-Muslims. Yes, when you still have the Muslim sentiment, you'll never think that because you'll always take them as is they are for defense (though in reality most Muslims use them for offence and aggression against non-Muslims). |
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“The Truth is Out There........” Since: Aug 08
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Actually in this mountainous border between pakistan and afganistan you cannot distinguish who are afgans, and who pakistanis. They consider themselves as Pashtuns- who have long historical traditions to crack the bones of occupiers. They don't like to be dominated by outsiders. They can't digest the westminister style democracy imported across the seven seas, and imposed on them by force. They have their 'Jirga'. |
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