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#4254
Apr 28, 2012
 
ahhh dammit triple x, i done said i got somewhere to be.
and here you go bringing up another good point that i have to take a minute to back.

the tax code CANNOT be simplified to get as many things as we want out of it.

there are major things i disagree with, take the mort tax credit for example, basically giving people tax breaks for going into debt rather than saving. on the other hand, i do recognize the purpose of this break, both on the individual level, such as your personal example, and how it helps the banks- and, provided the banks were not doing things like rewrapping crap deals as AAA+ credit, we should be defending them. we get into the issues at hand when they are mismanaging as they are, and the govt doesnt say "stop!", be that for the reasoning of not recognizing or simply not caring.

we have a blend of social input/output mixed with actual taxation for business, etc. on one hand, it really does help many average people get more than they would have generally had in the first place. on the other hand, it does, most definately, enrich a lot of people- some of which are NOT so deserving of that extra bump.

the reality is, the number one criminal activity in this nation, today, is tax evasion. with or without alllll the tax breaks people get. what would happen if you made it a straight line tax all across the board? you would add more to the criminal side and add more to the destitution side, both ways. thats not a "fix", that is an atrocity! and that is before you throw in the people who actually make a living off of the complexity of the tax code itself!

there we go.:D

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#4255
Apr 28, 2012
 
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Does anyone think The Knights Templar were made up of a Hebrews ? They took possession of gold and treasure during the crusades and hauled the booty back to Europe, and subsequently set up a banking system as the lender of the middle ages for the average business "Joe". And some monarchy's. Problem was, they were outted by the French monarchy who borrowed from the Templars and couldn't pay it back, so they killed the lenders instead. Problem solved ?
Not exactly. The Muslims of the time invaded Europe and took back their booty, and then some.
Fast forward to today.
Sort of... but after Philip IV arrested and tortured the Knights, they fled into eastern France and Austria where it's believed that the majority of their treasures remain to this day. There is also ample evidence that the Knights used their incredible naval resources to make it to North America, where many indications are that some of their treasure is here.

As for the conviction of the Knights, their leader at the time, Jacques de Molay, was ordered by Philip to be burned at the stake. His dying breath was his commitment to the truth, as one witness chronicled:“They were seen to be so prepared to sustain the fire with easy mind and will that they brought from all those who saw them much admiration and surprise for the constancy of their death and final denial…” As described by Templar hisorian Stephen Dafoe, "Beautiful and poetic words that should have been sufficient to solidify de Molay’s memory in the heart of all Templars; however, others would add to the story. In the popular tale, told in many Masonic templar settings over the years, de Molay did not suffer his fate with resolve and calm mind, but pronounced that before the end of the year Philip and Clement would meet him before God to answer for their crimes."
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And, by the way, what is a Holocaust museum doing in our nation's capital? What is the cultural or historical connection and context with that unfortunate European event? It is to get more guilt and more foreign aid, including Pentagon-PAC-rat pork, for Israel? Bad news for liberal US Jews: Mexicans, Muslims and blacks lack the guilt and do not wilt over racist accusations from other nations. Like ya know, they are still trying to make us pay for our collective liberal-white guilt because of the slavery, racism and the Alamo; with the enablement and help from their pet PAC-rat Dimuhcrat media 'hos. Boohoo for the Jews, this is bad news, because Mexicans, Muslims and blacks don't and won't give a shit about raghead attacks, at least over there, and they aren't scared. I may vote for Josh Mandel because he was/is a Marine who was in fact in some Irag attacks, doing two tours over there, just to be fair.
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#4257
Apr 28, 2012
 
And that's all you're gonna hear till you take the oath!
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#4258
Apr 28, 2012
 
There were mining operations, hence active shafts, in the hills & mountains of the Alsace Lorraine. So there would be plenty of areas to stash assets. Given the 30 and 100 year wars as well as other conflicts, looted treasure may be in remote areas.
French monarchs in general seemed to problematic and untrustworthy. Masons in antiquity had to be the rocket scientists of their time. Intellects blending into the Masonic Order was masterful.
Weren't traces of Knights Templar discovered in Minnesota, the Kensington Stone ?
The Last Templar wrote:
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Sort of... but after Philip IV arrested and tortured the Knights, they fled into eastern France and Austria where it's believed that the majority of their treasures remain to this day. There is also ample evidence that the Knights used their incredible naval resources to make it to North America, where many indications are that some of their treasure is here.
As for the conviction of the Knights, their leader at the time, Jacques de Molay, was ordered by Philip to be burned at the stake. His dying breath was his commitment to the truth, as one witness chronicled:“They were seen to be so prepared to sustain the fire with easy mind and will that they brought from all those who saw them much admiration and surprise for the constancy of their death and final denial…” As described by Templar hisorian Stephen Dafoe, "Beautiful and poetic words that should have been sufficient to solidify de Molay’s memory in the heart of all Templars; however, others would add to the story. In the popular tale, told in many Masonic templar settings over the years, de Molay did not suffer his fate with resolve and calm mind, but pronounced that before the end of the year Philip and Clement would meet him before God to answer for their crimes."
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There is a Politically illiterate voting fringe that have just enough of inventory to cancel the well imformed vote base. Doesn't help that the Left Wing Liberal Dirty Democrats have discovered a way to circumvent honest elections, and cheat. ACORN, the NEO Negro Panthers, socialist Georgio Soros (not his real name), and the Muslim Brotherhood.
What I still can't understand is the Jewish support for the Muslim in the White House ? I shake my head .....
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Your comment takes me back to the classic movie--Karate Kid.
In the karate kid, the young boy who was getting beat up took it upon himself to join a karate school in town. It was a good idea until he walked in the place and seen the kids who beat him up taking the class.
He went back to his old Asian friend and told him what he did, and that it's a bad karate school with bad students. The old man corrected "There is no bad student--only bad teachers. Teacher say--student do."
I'll never forget that line. But the reason I remember it now is because you say we have a stupid government. Government isn't stupid, people are stupid because it's we the people who elect them. When they do wrong, we either make excuses for them or ignore their transgressions and vote them in all over again.
DumBama increased our unemployment since he took office. He lowered our national credit rating for the first time in the history of our country. He spent the most money during his first few years in office than any other President before his time. We are at dangerous levels of debt. He's behind fast & furious which is responsible for the death of two federal agents. He's paid off representatives to get his idiotic healthcare law passed. He's given money to failed green companies by the hundreds of millions. He closed off a grand deal for oil by refusing the Keystone. And you know what, half of this country thinks he's doing a good job and will reelect him again.
So does that sound like stupid government, or stupid people?
The Old Cold Warrior

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Shouldn't somebody start a new thread and let this "Who do you want for governor?" one be dead?

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#4261
Apr 28, 2012
 
free wrote:
There were mining operations, hence active shafts, in the hills & mountains of the Alsace Lorraine. So there would be plenty of areas to stash assets. Given the 30 and 100 year wars as well as other conflicts, looted treasure may be in remote areas.
French monarchs in general seemed to problematic and untrustworthy. Masons in antiquity had to be the rocket scientists of their time. Intellects blending into the Masonic Order was masterful.
Weren't traces of Knights Templar discovered in Minnesota, the Kensington Stone ?
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Kensington Rune Stone... yes, and I think that one's true. Also off the coast of, I forget.... Nova Scotia or Newfoundland. There's also a lot of evidence as to how they traversed the Great Lakes to get to Minnesota.
Remnants of the Templars still exist in a newer order ( Knights Hospitalers, I think located in Rome, Italy). Free Masons are an off-shoot, still very active:
http://www.knightstemplar.org/educationfdn1.h...
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#4262
Apr 28, 2012
 
Templar's are a noble order, made up of brave and free men.
The Last Templar wrote:
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Kensington Rune Stone... yes, and I think that one's true. Also off the coast of, I forget.... Nova Scotia or Newfoundland. There's also a lot of evidence as to how they traversed the Great Lakes to get to Minnesota.
Remnants of the Templars still exist in a newer order ( Knights Hospitalers, I think located in Rome, Italy). Free Masons are an off-shoot, still very active:
http://www.knightstemplar.org/educationfdn1.h...
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Circleville, OH

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#4263
Apr 29, 2012
 
i really do love it when yall go into the templar stuff. its one i know has alot of historical context, but its so hard to find someone who wants to put the history out without putting a slant to it, one direction or the other.

as for an illiterate voting base... idk about that. everyone believes they are well informed. people who voted based on economics, know their economic situation, now whether its less tax or more handouts applies to an individual. i would even go so far as to say people voting on abortion rights, gay rights, addict rights, etc etc etc are well informed regarding their personal choice there.

its not that people dont know what they are talking about, to me. it seems more along the lines that "people only care what THEY are talking about, without regard to what the next man needs".

and thats where you get into a breakdown of the system itself, pitting one side against another for an ethical reason regarding individuals rather than ethical reasons regarding society.

it comes back to the nanny state. we are so busy expecting the govt to referee our petty, personal, cultural differences, that we let them get away with not doing their actual job- deciding who is a thief, why, and handling it. hence, over and over, we vote for red or blue, really voting AGAINST individual politicians or parties more so than voting FOR what we believe in, and then wondering why the nation gets farther and farther from EVERYONE's root values as individuals.

i just... honestly get the feeling, if our grandparents came out of the grave tomorrow, they would not recognize their former party, be it the republicans for their lack of leadership past "LOWER MY TAXES" , EVEN regarding the lack of leadership regarding that phrase alone... or the democrats, for their total embrace of the liberal ideology and total lack of leadership regarding regulation, helping those in need, etc.- the things they openly, supposedly actively, embrace.

the fact that the phrase "personal responsibility" does not play into either sides' arguments also adds to the slide of both parties from what the individual voters in this nation are going for when they vote for this kind of nanny state.

i dont think its uninformed. i think it more along the lines of misinformed. its not that ppl dno their own situation, or what would help it. it is the fact that we have thrown personal responsiblity, in all its forms, straight out the window. yet, we believe we are "responsible" people, and in that, voters.
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Circleville, OH

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#4264
Apr 29, 2012
 
for a very simple proof of grounding for my belief that we have thrown personal responsibility out the window, when was the last time someone in the media demonized "an idiot"? or "ignorance"?

no, instead we demonize other cultures, other ways of life, and let the idiocracy move full steam ahead. better be careful, because if you are in a position of power, call an idiot an idiot, you may just lose your job. and it has nothing to do with if that person TRULY is an idiot! LOL

was there never a day when we equated "ignorance" with the bottom of the barrel? we are slowly making that an accepted ideology. while we worry about who you kiss, what you smoke, and if the guy that assaulted you was the same race as you or not. it kinda screams it already IS an accepted ideology. lol
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#4265
Apr 29, 2012
 
here is an example of an idiot in the media.

the head of gm.
why?

because ford is surpassing the corvette with the gt500. several years ago, they were considered "on par". today, from the media to the streets, they are considered "top dog".

ford is buying out pension plans from retirees. do i need to explain why this is great for the business, on multiple levels? not only do you get rid of the "what ifs" of these guys pensions, but think about this- if they are going to put their money in a place it will solidly return, where would that be? would it be the stock that has went up with an extra 0 after your 0s? i believe so. so, in effect, you just made these pensioneers shareholders. ofc they "cared" if ford kept going, collecting their pensions. but now it might be a little bigger deal if the grandkids drive a civic, so to speak. you just took these guys from "grown adults you are responsible for" back into being "adults who are responsible for themselves". thats great for both the nation and your company.

and THIS leads us to the head of gm. who thinks he deserves more than 7.7 m for his "job". while they have cut saturn, cut pontiac, cut hummer, killed dealerships that didnt meet quotas but fed the workers while simultaneously being THE provider to the state and barely meeting sales needs as a corp, brought back the camaro as an overpriced old men's hot wheels rather than to compete against the mustang etc, and decided to make cadillac appeal to "those of lower incomes"-ALL in the name of bringing back the *NEVER AGAIN* appeal that chevrolet once had instead of just letting it die.... not to mention the joke of things like the Volt etc...
and to top ALL THAT off.... you know who else is in the bottom 25 percent of ceo "earnings"? thats right- the ceo of ford. imagine that. his stock has added an extra 0 after your k's, yet somehow, magically, he believes he is paid enough.

so, where is the demonization of the head of gm?
it should be from the streets to the ivory towers. and yet, a little echo in the streets is all we hear. while people vote with their money.
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#4266
Apr 29, 2012
 
you guys have heard ALOT from me on the subject of what is NOT good middle management.

i have to point out that the ceo of ford, imo, is an example of properly compensated, worth the money middle management.

its only in the context of people like him that we can actually begin to realize what the problems are, and from what kind of people.
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Apr 29, 2012
 
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#4268
Apr 29, 2012
 
Knock yourself out, thread pioneer. This isn't all about the governor and his position in the scheme of things.
The Old Cold Warrior wrote:
Shouldn't somebody start a new thread and let this "Who do you want for governor?" one be dead?
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#4269
Apr 29, 2012
 
Look at the bottom information listing of a Pringles P&G chip can and tell us what language is written for web contact ? Looks like Arabic...... What's it say ?
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Really anyone who votes for Kasich is an idiot!! Did you people not learn anything from Issue 2??? Now they are working to make Ohio a "right to work for less" state. Kasich is all about putting money in his pocket no matter where he gets it from! Especially when he is taking it from the working middle class!! Oh and Ted bankrupt the state?? Don't think so!! Ask Kasich what he did with the $800k surplus in the budget when he took office!!!
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army mom wrote:
Really anyone who votes for Kasich is an idiot!! Did you people not learn anything from Issue 2??? Now they are working to make Ohio a "right to work for less" state. Kasich is all about putting money in his pocket no matter where he gets it from! Especially when he is taking it from the working middle class!! Oh and Ted bankrupt the state?? Don't think so!! Ask Kasich what he did with the $800k surplus in the budget when he took office!!!
What surplus? The state was 8 billion in the hole when he took office, and Kasich is turning it around to a balanced budget. We haven't had a surplus since Voinovich was Governor. We were the 48th state in the country when it came to job creation under Strickland. Now we are number 4 in that short amount of time Kasich has been in office. Hell, our unemployment is even lower than the national average.

Anybody who doesn't vote Kasich in for a second term is a fool. Why choose failure when you can choose success?

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xxxrayted wrote:
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What surplus? The state was 8 billion in the hole when he took office, and Kasich is turning it around to a balanced budget. We haven't had a surplus since Voinovich was Governor. We were the 48th state in the country when it came to job creation under Strickland. Now we are number 4 in that short amount of time Kasich has been in office. Hell, our unemployment is even lower than the national average.
Anybody who doesn't vote Kasich in for a second term is a fool. Why choose failure when you can choose success?
There is a lot of fools out there. Remember, they elected OBAMA, didn't they.
Liberals don't like "succes" unless it's "government driven."
The New Cool Warrior

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