Proposed casino prompts turf wars

Jun 8, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: KASA-TV Albuquerque

It's a 30-acre tract along Interstate 10 with a temporary building where travelers can stop for a burger and beer.

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“US Navy”

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#1 Jun 9, 2012
An interesting read for sure of money, motives and methods.
BigFoot

Albuquerque, NM

#2 Jun 9, 2012
Get over the greed and let them build their casino. We need JOBS in Luna County.

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#3 Jun 9, 2012
NO MORE CASINO'S IN NM.

It is as bad as drinking or any other addiction.

If I had my way all of them would be outlawed across the USA.

“US Navy”

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#4 Jun 9, 2012
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
NO MORE CASINO'S IN NM.
It is as bad as drinking or any other addiction.
If I had my way all of them would be outlawed across the USA.
Just like the lotto and scratchers, few win, most lose.
BigFoot

Albuquerque, NM

#6 Jun 10, 2012
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
NO MORE CASINO'S IN NM.
It is as bad as drinking or any other addiction.
If I had my way all of them would be outlawed across the USA.
Morality and resposibility cannot be legislated

“US Navy”

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#7 Jun 10, 2012
mariettita wrote:
CORNDOGZ, YOU NO fun. Casinos, drinking, lotto, scratchers, can make one forget problems making life bearable at least. Not everbody has the experiences you proclaim to have to live by. Suicide is the permanent solution so instead why not take a break, scratch one or two or even more 'waxy' dots, bars, stars and see what fortune brings. Doubling your chances start the excitment in this finicky, jumpy hour. All right, make it minutes and by the way, can you spare a dime, quarter, dollar?
If one views it as "entertainment" then that works, sadly many do not and will gamble away the very dollars they badly need to exist on. One has choices...

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#8 Jun 10, 2012
BigFoot wrote:
<quoted text>Morality and resposibility cannot be legislated
Gambling can and should, besides as an American why can't I buy land and open a casino? I could use the millions of tax free dollars too!

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#10 Jun 10, 2012
mariettita wrote:
<quoted text>BS, by your name and word I will join you. GIVE ME MONEY some doubtful entrepreneur or to make it simple gimmi money charitable FAT CAT.
I'll give you a one way ticket out of the USA, good enough, yep.

If you think I am the only person against it check out all the indian casino's here in NM, every one of them are so darn greedy they don't want any competition including other indian tribes opening up a casino.

Let this tribe that is in OK open one up there, that is where they live.

“US Navy”

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#12 Jun 10, 2012
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
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I'll give you a one way ticket out of the USA, good enough, yep.
If you think I am the only person against it check out all the indian casino's here in NM, every one of them are so darn greedy they don't want any competition including other indian tribes opening up a casino.
Let this tribe that is in OK open one up there, that is where they live.
I think there is a distinction in this particular one. As I understand it, the tribe does not live there. They purchased 30 some acres of their 100+ year old tribal lands for this venture as a foot in the door. They were relocated to FL, then OK many years ago and claim they wish to return to the lands of their ancestors, but are at least honest enough to also say they want to put a casino here, not populate the plot with their tribe.

They also say there are other Apache tribes that were in the area many years ago too who were also relocated and it appeared those tribes wished to do the same.

Quite an interesting thing when you consider both sides of the coins here and where you know it is going to lead once the flood gate is opened, yet, to a great degree it already has been given the Indian casino's we already have in NM. This is simply a play on that whole thing with them having been relocated long ago.

I also note that the other casinos(tribes) admit too that they are not particularly fond of another casino/tribe start-up as it could affect their bottom line/profits. They are not overly fond of competition<G>.

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#13 Jun 10, 2012
CornDogz wrote:
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I think there is a distinction in this particular one. As I understand it, the tribe does not live there. They purchased 30 some acres of their 100+ year old tribal lands for this venture as a foot in the door. They were relocated to FL, then OK many years ago and claim they wish to return to the lands of their ancestors, but are at least honest enough to also say they want to put a casino here, not populate the plot with their tribe.
They also say there are other Apache tribes that were in the area many years ago too who were also relocated and it appeared those tribes wished to do the same.
Quite an interesting thing when you consider both sides of the coins here and where you know it is going to lead once the flood gate is opened, yet, to a great degree it already has been given the Indian casino's we already have in NM. This is simply a play on that whole thing with them having been relocated long ago.
I also note that the other casinos(tribes) admit too that they are not particularly fond of another casino/tribe start-up as it could affect their bottom line/profits. They are not overly fond of competition<G>.
True all what you say but why have they waited so many years and why NM?

$$$$$$$$$ is the answer. They also do freely admit once the casino is making money they wish to buy more property and expand, some moving here, build a hotel and larger casino.

And every tribe here is against that, again for one reason, they don't want to share in the tax free money. Sure they pay a percentage of the SLOTS only to the state, a small percentage and nothing from all other profits, even the food.

My gripe in general is they expect the cities and state to allow keeping of all taxes they collect and to expect us to build the roads, off/on ramps etc.

I say let them build their own roads etc with the gas tax money they keep which is used to maintain the highways and roadways.

And remove the right for them to veto anything to do with gambling, such as the race track or track/casino.

In 1924 when they were made Americans is when all the double standards should have ended.

“US Navy”

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#14 Jun 10, 2012
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
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True all what you say but why have they waited so many years and why NM?
My guess is they waited until thngs were well established and all the kinks worked out with the other tribes.

Why NM? Its their ancestral lands in that corner, and NM is a lot more liberal than AZ is.
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
<quoted text>$$$$$$$$$ is the answer. They also do freely admit once the casino is making money they wish to buy more property and expand, some moving here, build a hotel and larger casino.
This is where those other Apache tribe come into play. Just like when we left the floodgate open and all the ILLEGALS came in and we claim there are too many to deport now, same principle with the casino and other tribes. Flood NM with the requests and court challenges and we'll cave in and allow it to occur. We set the precedent already, they're taking advantage. Yet to a degree I can see their point too<sigh>.
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
<quoted text>And every tribe here is against that, again for one reason, they don't want to share in the tax free money. Sure they pay a percentage of the SLOTS only to the state, a small percentage and nothing from all other profits, even the food.
That's because of the increased competition for the few bucks NM residents have for this. The more casino's, the less each gets.
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
<quoted text>My gripe in general is they expect the cities and state to allow keeping of all taxes they collect and to expect us to build the roads, off/on ramps etc.
I say let them build their own roads etc with the gas tax money they keep which is used to maintain the highways and roadways.
We already set the precedent there too when we did the huge interchange for Sandia casino on our northern end. We shot ourselves in the foot again.

“26.2”

Since: Feb 08

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#15 Jun 10, 2012
I support the right of the Fort Sill Apaches to do what they need to do to be self sufficient. If the other tribes can have gambling, then they should too. It's just too bad there are not other viable ways of making money than by defiling their homeland with the White man's gambling. But I don't gamble at all, so no casinos get my money and I do everything possible to avoid having to go to Las Vegas on business.
BigFoot

Albuquerque, NM

#16 Jun 11, 2012
Seems to me that the Native Americans deserve every opportunity to prosper. BUILD THE CASINO
BigFoot

Albuquerque, NM

#17 Jun 11, 2012
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
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Gambling can and should, besides as an American why can't I buy land and open a casino? I could use the millions of tax free dollars too!
I sincerely doubt that you could buy a Tee Pee, much less a Casino.
BigFoot

Albuquerque, NM

#19 Jun 11, 2012
mariettita wrote:
<quoted text>with that kind of an answer I see why you're "BigFoot"..to fit it in your BigMouth.
Now that really hurt / LOL

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#20 Jun 11, 2012
BigFoot wrote:
<quoted text>I sincerely doubt that you could buy a Tee Pee, much less a Casino.
Nope don't have the millions of tax free dollars to build a casino but a tee pee, no problem.

But first you owe me a few years rent on the one I own and rented out to you so either pay or be evicted.

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#21 Jul 31, 2012
'The tribe, currently based in southwest Oklahoma, needs the casino to get income to buy more land to help its members return, he said.'

"The goal is to repatriate the tribe," Haozous said. "Obviously that would require more than 30 acres. But that would also require more economic resources.

This guy is so full o' shy&i#tt, I'll bet his eyes are brown. And the thing that leave me agog is that there are people from around Deming who belive this charlatan.

Ask yourself this: If the Indians got plenty of money to hire lawyers to fight the State and whoever else to make this project happen FOR 10 FLIPPIN' YEARS, why can't they each scrape together enough to buy a fews acres apiece and build something on each lot?

Are they clawing all over each other to get back to Luna Co, but some whitey is holding a gun to their poor heads holding them there on that reservation?

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#22 Jul 31, 2012
Put simply: Indians are just free to scale up life's ladder as anybody else in this great country of ours.

"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -Milton Friedman (who would've turned 100 today)

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#23 Jul 31, 2012
Bellcrank wrote:
Put simply: Indians are just free to scale up life's ladder as anybody else in this great country of ours.
"Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." -Milton Friedman (who would've turned 100 today)
A bit off on that FREE bit, they have more special favors than the rest of us do.

I have always believed what happened a hundred years ago was the norm back in those days and we should not continue to be playing into their hands with double standards and double sets of laws.

Once they became American Citizens is when they should have been told you have a choice, be an American and play by our rules or be a Native and live your life on your land and stop demanding we pay for everything you want while your casino's make millions tax free.

And speaking of taxes, if they can collect food and fuel tax they should be required to turn it over the the states and federal governments.

Remember you must sue them in their courts and you will not win but they can sue us in any court and always win.

Is that fair, NO.
BigFoot

Albuquerque, NM

#24 Aug 1, 2012
To put it "BLUNTLY" ... Luna county is a wasteland filled with illiterate drug addicted losers. Should the Casino ever materialize, I wonder where they would find competent employees.

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