Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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LOL 50 out of 53 framers of the Constitution were Christian, why don't you tell them? Also the Consitution was made based on NATURAL LAW, which had even existed in Roman & Saxon legal system, before it was taken over by queers & fell from corruption from within.
Are you stuck on stupid? Damn morons..........

treaty of Tripoli

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

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According to the Constitution's 7th Amendment: "In suits at common law... the right of trial by jury shall be preserved; and no fact, tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States than according to the rules of the common law."

Here, many Christians believe that common law came from Christian foundations and therefore the Constitution derives from it. They use various quotes from Supreme Court Justices proclaiming that Christianity came as part of the laws of England, and therefore from its common law heritage.

But one of our principle Founding Fathers, Thomas Jefferson, elaborated about the history of common law in his letter to Thomas Cooper on February 10, 1814:

"For we know that the common law is that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their settlement in England, and altered from time to time by proper legislative authority from that time to the date of Magna Charta, which terminates the period of the common law... This settlement took place about the middle of the fifth century. But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century; the conversion of the first christian king of the Heptarchy having taken place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686. Here then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it."

"... if any one chooses to build a doctrine on any law of that period, supposed to have been lost, it is incumbent on him to prove it to have existed, and what were its contents. These were so far alterations of the common law, and became themselves a part of it. But none of these adopt Christianity as a part of the common law. If, therefore, from the settlement of the Saxons to the introduction of Christianity among them, that system of religion could not be a part of the common law, because they were not yet Christians, and if, having their laws from that period to the close of the common law, we are all able to find among them no such act of adoption, we may safely affirm (though contradicted by all the judges and writers on earth) that Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."
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LOL 50 out of 53 framers of the Constitution were Christian, why don't you tell them? Also the Consitution was made based on NATURAL LAW, which had even existed in Roman & Saxon legal system, before it was taken over by queers & fell from corruption from within.
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Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
Common Law
According to the Constitution's 7th Amendment: "In suits at common law... the right of trial by jury shall be preserved; and no fact, tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States than according to the rules of the common law."
Here, many Christians believe that common law came from Christian foundations and therefore the Constitution derives from it. They use various quotes from Supreme Court Justices proclaiming that Christianity came as part of the laws of England, and therefore from its common law heritage.
But one of our principle Founding Fathers, Thomas Jefferson, elaborated about the history of common law in his letter to Thomas Cooper on February 10, 1814:
"For we know that the common law is that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their settlement in England, and altered from time to time by proper legislative authority from that time to the date of Magna Charta, which terminates the period of the common law... This settlement took place about the middle of the fifth century. But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century; the conversion of the first christian king of the Heptarchy having taken place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686. Here then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it."
"... if any one chooses to build a doctrine on any law of that period, supposed to have been lost, it is incumbent on him to prove it to have existed, and what were its contents. These were so far alterations of the common law, and became themselves a part of it. But none of these adopt Christianity as a part of the common law. If, therefore, from the settlement of the Saxons to the introduction of Christianity among them, that system of religion could not be a part of the common law, because they were not yet Christians, and if, having their laws from that period to the close of the common law, we are all able to find among them no such act of adoption, we may safely affirm (though contradicted by all the judges and writers on earth) that Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."
He isn't going to believe you. He is indeed stuck on stupid.
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meow.
Is that your best Andrew Shirvell imitation?
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LOL 50 out of 53 framers of the Constitution were Christian, why don't you tell them? Also the Consitution was made based on NATURAL LAW, which had even existed in Roman & Saxon legal system, before it was taken over by queers & fell from corruption from within.
RiccardoFire.

You are right. Following the revolution, the revolutionary political ruling class *(now in power)* changed the underlying fundamental tenet of American jurisprudence from equal justice under the Law into one where the political motive of those who commit the act is the determinant factor that is used to judge culpability. One of the best examples of this is that Obama's pal Holder heads the now politicized revolutionary era capricious "justice" system.

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It is unnecessary to state the obvious truth that all of the founding documents of the American nation expressed belief in, and fidelity to, the Christian God. Only through the use of the most clever of convoluted argumentation can the Godless revolutionary "Liberals" deny that simple truth.

The fact is that all the preambles to our State Constitutions also declare a deep and abiding faith in God as their authorities. The Godless "Liberals" *(now in power)* would have us believe otherwise. They would say that because the Constitution and the State Constitutions do not specifically give advantage to the Christian over rights granted the ignorant Godless secularist, that means those governing documents are not Christian documents. Nothing could be farther from the truth. In fact equal treatment under the law is a fundamental precept of Christian Law:

"Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God." (Leviticus 24:22)

As Solomon observed long ago, there is nothing new under the sun. As if to emphasize the truth of his observation, the Bible might just as well have been speaking of the Godless secularist termites who came to power during the revolution, and thereafter acted to destroy Christian civilization as well as debauching our womenfolk:

"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." (Jude 1:4)

"I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not." (Jude 1:5)

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.(Jude 1:6)

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." (Jude 1:7)

"Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities." (Jude 1:8)

"Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee." (Jude 1:9)

"But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves." (Jude 1:10)

"Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core." (Jude 1:11)

Source: http://tinyurl.com/3b3mwxg

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LOL 50 out of 53 framers of the Constitution were Christian, why don't you tell them?
14 of the 15 people in my office are Christians. That doesn't make my company a Christian Company. The majority of my neighbors are Christian, that doesn't make my neighborhood a Christian neighborhood. Seriously, did you actually think that was an argument?
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Also the Consitution was made based on NATURAL LAW, which had even existed in Roman & Saxon legal system, before it was taken over by queers & fell from corruption from within.
Um, Nature isn't a god. Dang, where do you people come up with this stuff?

"As the Government of the United States of America is NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
- The Treaty of Tripoli
-signed and drafted under the administration of George Washington
-ratified and signed under the administration of John Adams
June 10, 1797


This treaty demonstrates that our Founding Fathersw intentionally established a government divorced of ANY religion. This treaty was written in order to explicity reveal to other countries our SECULAR nature.

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If you and massresistance say so Gary! Boy, you must have had a great time typing out this post!!
So, about htat evidence you were talking about, will you be providing it anytime soon? I'd like to turn your "evidence" over to authorities so we can make sure all those that commited a crime against minors are dealt with accordingly.
No one cares what you do you cowardly fat assed bastard.
Yet more evidence that taking this dingbat seriously is a waste of time.

Here's the bottom line:

The Little Black Book is actually worse than kiddie porn. Kiddie porn is intended for sick adults like Larry Brinkin. The Little Black Book was meant to recruit innocent young boys into a sex cult.

It's all there: first, the welcoming greeting -- "Hey, Queer Boys!" then line after line of encouragement and tactics the adolescent readers should use to have that first glorious homosexual experience.

It talks about "Coming Out" as it's the most awesome experience a boy can have. In doing this it completely blurs the line between homosexuality and heterosexuality. Every page reads like it's a foregone conclusion the reader will have a homosexual experience in the near future.

Dingleberry wants us to believe the information in the booklet is only about safe sex, but read it yourself and see if you agree with this outrageous lie:
http://www.massresistance.info/downloads/Litt...

Indeed, in two instances the editors actually give the name and numbers of two of the Boston area's notorious man-boy clubs -- places described by registered pedophile Adam Flanders about "Gay-Straight Alliance Clubs," detailing exactly what they are: places where men and boys hook up.

http://mainebusiness.mainetoday.com/newsdirec...

Whoever heard of a safe-sex manual that encouraged boys "to come out", that referred them to man-boy clubs, that listed gay bars with descriptions like "young hot leather crowd" and "mutual jerking off is hot fun!"

Honestly, what do you think happens to the kid when he reads something like that?

And no matter that it uses the terms "boys" and "Youth" whenever it addresses its readers, Dingleberry wants you to believe it wasn't intended for boys and youth; that it was intended for exclusively adult males over 18.

But the booklet was handed out to boys as young as 14 throughout the Boston-Cambridge area -- we know this because every boy that entered the Youth on Fire drop-in center for runaways got one.

All the youth organizations in this area are now run by gay men and we can only assume it was their bright idea to publish and distrute this filth -- until, that is, they got busted handing it out to kids who were supervised -- that would be kids at that Brooklyn high school youth conference.

And when they got busted they lied -- they said it was an accident, that the booklet was never intended for high schools, that it fell off the truck and rolled onto a display table ...

You straight morons who support same-sex marriage were warned about this sort of thing. You were told you can't trust homosexuals -- that the moment your back is turned they'll go after your kids.

The Little Black Book is all the evidence you should need.

"Being honest and outfront about your sexuality is cool."

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Once again, this is NOT a theocracy. And freedom of religion also means freedom from your sick twisted version of Christianity. From the way you people talk you want this country to to become just like the middle east where everyone is bound by old testement laws. Guess what, you would be put to death or jailed by your own standards. I could just get assylum in another country, but it will be fun to watch all of you hypocrite reaping the horrible seeds you have sewn, about 95% of you will die by your own hands

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-LOL And where do you think the "rules of the common law" came from? LOL
The COURTS, moron.

"The ancient law of England based upon societal customs and recognized and enforced by the judgments and decrees of the courts. The general body of statutes and case law that governed England and the American colonies prior to the American Revolution.

The principles and rules of action, embodied in case law rather than legislative enactments, applicable to the government and protection of persons and property that derive their authority from the community customs and traditions that evolved over the centuries as interpreted by judicial tribunals."

"Anglo-American common law traces its roots to the medieval idea that the law as handed down from the king's courts represented the common custom of the people. It evolved chiefly from three English Crown courts of the twelfth and thirteenth centuries: the Exchequer, the King's Bench, and the Common Pleas. These courts eventually assumed jurisdiction over disputes previously decided by local or manorial courts, such as baronial, admiral's (maritime), guild, and forest courts, whose jurisdiction was limited to specific geographic or subject matter areas. Equity courts, which were instituted to provide relief to litigants in cases where common-law relief was unavailable, also merged with common-law courts. This consolidation of jurisdiction over most legal disputes into several courts was the framework for the modern Anglo-American judicial system."

"common law n. the traditional unwritten law of England, based on custom and usage which developed over a thousand years before the founding of the United States. The best of the pre-Saxon compendiums of the Common Law was reportedly written by a woman, Queen Martia, wife of a Briton king of a small English kingdom. Together with a book on the "law of the monarchy" by a Duke of Cornwall, Queen Martia's work was translated into the emerging English language by King Alfred (849-899 A.D.). When William the Conqueror arrived in 1066, he combined the best of this Anglo-Saxon law with Norman law, which resulted in the English Common Law, much of which was by custom and precedent rather than by written code. By the 14th Century legal decisions and commentaries on the common law began providing precedents for the courts and lawyers to follow. It did not include the so-called law of equity (chancery) which came from the royal power to order or prohibit specific acts. The common law became the basic law of most states due to the Commentaries on the Laws of England, completed by Sir William Blackstone in 1769, which became every American lawyer's bible. Today almost all common law has been enacted into statutes with modern variations by all the states except Louisiana which is still influenced by the Napoleonic Code. In some states the principles of common law are so basic they are applied without reference to statute."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...

You'll please notice that there isn't a single reference to Christianity or any other religious belief system ANYWHERE in its origins.
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"If, therefore, from the settlement of the Saxons to the introduction of Christianity among them, that system of religion could not be a part of the common law, because they were not yet Christians, and if, having their laws from that period to the close of the common law, we are all able to find among them no such act of adoption, we may safely affirm (though contradicted by all the judges and writers on earth) that Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."
-LOL You forget. Even people during that beleive in a all powerful being. Many ancient European religions had gods which they based their laws on. Pay attention & you'll learn something.
You mean pagan gods, are you saying we are a pagan nation?
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It's a Whopper, get out of the way.
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"Are you stuck on stupid? Damn morons.........."

"reaty of Tripoli....harmony existing between the two countries."

-Re-read the damn text, moron. It's about separation between
church & state.
Are you stuck on stupid? Damn, moron.

That last statement kills any argument you have that this is a one-religion nation.

DANG! You are one stupid dumb-as-a-post mo-fo!

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--Cool Story Bro. It still doesn't change the fact 50 out of the 53 framers were Christian,.........
And yet they created a government free from state sponsored religion. Why are you so against what they fought so hard to create

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Yet more evidence that taking this dingbat seriously is a waste of time.
Here's the bottom line:
The Little Black Book is actually worse than kiddie porn.
Never read it, though I'm sure you have.

But, what does it have to do with marriage? Will it become required reading in order to get a license?
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Flat moving right along, hope the storm doesn't wash out the convention in FL..
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Once again, this is NOT a theocracy. And freedom of religion also means freedom from your sick twisted version of Christianity. From the way you people talk you want this country to to become just like the middle east where everyone is bound by old testement laws. Guess what, you would be put to death or jailed by your own standards. I could just get assylum in another country, but it will be fun to watch all of you hypocrite reaping the horrible seeds you have sewn, about 95% of you will die by your own hands
freedomfromyou.

Exactly. Proof of the fact that we are a Christian nation is evidenced by the fact that the Godless secularists are not given the choice between conversion and the sword. In fact, God himself subscribed to the need to give up those so predisposed to vile affections. According to the historical transcript:

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;" (Romans 1:18)

"Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them." (Romans 1:19)

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" (Romans 1:20)

"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened." (Romans 1:21)

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools," (Romans 1:22)

And, even more to the point:

"Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:" (Matthew 13:24)

"But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way." (Matthew 13:25)

"But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also." (Matthew 13:26)

"So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?" (Matthew 13:27)

"He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?" (Matthew 13:28)

"But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them." (Matthew 13:29)

"Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn." (Matthew 13:30)

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black men, asian men, hispanics... even white guys... I've blown my fair share of all of them here in Kansas. I haven't BJ'd an American Indian.... yet.
Good for you phaggasaurus. But no one was asking what your hobby was.
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According to the historical transcript:
You're kidding me? Right?

Did you ever see that movie Galaxy Quest?
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Exactly. Proof of the fact that we are a Christian nation is evidenced by the fact that the Godless secularists are not given the choice between conversion and the sword.
Yeah, right..... THAT'S proof... proof that you're an idiot.
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<quoted text>The COURTS, moron.
"The ancient law of England based upon societal customs and recognized and enforced by the judgments and decrees of the courts. The general body of statutes and case law that governed England and the American colonies prior to the American Revolution.
The principles and rules of action, embodied in case law rather than legislative enactments, applicable to the government and protection of persons and property that derive their authority from the community customs and traditions that evolved over the centuries as interpreted by judicial tribunals."
"Anglo-American common law traces its roots to the medieval idea that the law as handed down from the king's courts represented the common custom of the people. It evolved chiefly from three English Crown courts of the twelfth and thirteenth centuries: the Exchequer, the King's Bench, and the Common Pleas. These courts eventually assumed jurisdiction over disputes previously decided by local or manorial courts, such as baronial, admiral's (maritime), guild, and forest courts, whose jurisdiction was limited to specific geographic or subject matter areas. Equity courts, which were instituted to provide relief to litigants in cases where common-law relief was unavailable, also merged with common-law courts. This consolidation of jurisdiction over most legal disputes into several courts was the framework for the modern Anglo-American judicial system."
"common law n. the traditional unwritten law of England, based on custom and usage which developed over a thousand years before the founding of the United States. The best of the pre-Saxon compendiums of the Common Law was reportedly written by a woman, Queen Martia, wife of a Briton king of a small English kingdom. Together with a book on the "law of the monarchy" by a Duke of Cornwall, Queen Martia's work was translated into the emerging English language by King Alfred (849-899 A.D.). When William the Conqueror arrived in 1066, he combined the best of this Anglo-Saxon law with Norman law, which resulted in the English Common Law, much of which was by custom and precedent rather than by written code. By the 14th Century legal decisions and commentaries on the common law began providing precedents for the courts and lawyers to follow. It did not include the so-called law of equity (chancery) which came from the royal power to order or prohibit specific acts. The common law became the basic law of most states due to the Commentaries on the Laws of England, completed by Sir William Blackstone in 1769, which became every American lawyer's bible. Today almost all common law has been enacted into statutes with modern variations by all the states except Louisiana which is still influenced by the Napoleonic Code. In some states the principles of common law are so basic they are applied without reference to statute."
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...
You'll please notice that there isn't a single reference to Christianity or any other religious belief system ANYWHERE in its origins.
Why don't we swear on a copy of Blackstone before testifying then? Do you understand why one witness was enough to get Thomas More beheaded?

The Common Law is the Natural Law.

A case decided by Holmes called Erie is more or less where Positive Law began to make giant inroads against Natural Law in America.

You're Positive Law, stupid.

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