No abortion in health care reform

Thanks for writing this. I don't think abortion is reproductive health; I think it is reproductive death!

Sneaking it into health care? I believe abortion is legal in the USA. I'm not particularly in favor of abortion, but women in the USA have a legal right to make that choice. If you want to get rid of abortion rights, then work against Roe v Wade. As far as I know, none of the health reform proposals would be administered by a church or religious organization. If your religion insists that you will go to some undefined place of perpetual torment for having an abortion, then that's your situation, not everyone else's.
Some religions forbid transfusions... Maybe the health reform proposals should prevent them too?

It makes me sick that my money will be directed to abortions and that there will be more. I know there are certain circumstances where it is necessary but this is not something I want to be part of.

Francis A wrote:

Sneaking it into health care? I believe abortion is legal in the USA. I'm not particularly in favor of abortion, but women in the USA have a legal right to make that choice. If you want to get rid of abortion rights, then work against Roe v Wade. As far as I know, none of the health reform proposals would be administered by a church or religious organization. If your religion insists that you will go to some undefined place of perpetual torment for having an abortion, then that's your situation, not everyone else's.
Some religions forbid transfusions... Maybe the health reform proposals should prevent them too?

Unfortunately, it seems that religious hospitals will either have to perform abortions or they will not receive federal funds for anything. I watched a segment on one of the news channels regarding the issue. It could result in the closing of at least 1000 Catholic hospitals, other religious hospitals will also be affected. Either they offer abortion or they get no federal money, even from Medicare or Medicaid.
I am a pro choice person...but I don't believe religious hospitals should be forced to do something that is against their beliefs in order to be compensated for the excellent care they deliver.

Obama has no right to use my money to fund abortions!
He's an A**

I know- but not all wrote:

Obama has no right to use my money to fund abortions!
He's an ****

Write and call your reps during their summer recess. They want to be re-elected in 15 months. They might listen.

Emerald wrote:

<quoted text>Unfortunately, it seems that religious hospitals will either have to perform abortions or they will not receive federal funds for anything. I watched a segment on one of the news channels regarding the issue. It could result in the closing of at least 1000 Catholic hospitals, other religious hospitals will also be affected. Either they offer abortion or they get no federal money, even from Medicare or Medicaid.
I am a pro choice person...but I don't believe religious hospitals should be forced to do something that is against their beliefs in order to be compensated for the excellent care they deliver.

I would agree with you on that... I would, however, like to be sure that this is the case and not just a scare tactic on the part of health reform opponents (I'm not referring to you). A lot of things have been said lately about what would happen if health care reform occurs.... Much of which is spurious. Just curious.... what news were you watching?

Also as an additional note.... in my very personal and lengthy experience, the people in power in the catholic church have often lied about things in order to have their way. They themselves are quite capable of telling falsehoods about health care reform imperiling their hospitals, in order to do a backdoor type number on pro-choice. I am sure this is true of just about any huge organization, but my own personal experience is with the RC church... And yet I am still a church-going catholic. Just don't trust the humans in the hierarchy.. from parish to diocese to Rome itself.

I know- but not all wrote:

Obama has no right to use my money to fund abortions!
He's an ****

Well, the government (local through federal, Democrats and Republicans alike) uses my tax money on lots of stuff that I do not like.. I guess that's the joy of the tax system. There's no "a la carte" system for paying taxes... If there were, maybe we would have less pork in government. A check list: "you may spend my money on the following: " ....... Not recommending such a thing, but just pondering upon it.

I think that if religious affiliated hospitals feel that is against their mantra then they should stand up for their beliefs and be willing to forgo the FEDS money. Afterall, isn't that called "putting your money where your mouth is"? They can be funded by their masses who have the same belief system, right? Wouldn't that be furthering the
cause?
By the way, who gets to chose where their money goes when it comes to being involved in a health care plan anyway. Give me a break. You can't pick and chose that sort of thing. If you don't like the health plan, go fund your own health care plan. Good luck. Otherwise, suck it up and let people decide for themselves. This is a matter that comes down to personal choice. No less than trying to force a tranfusion on someone who does not believe in it. That same person may benefit from other aspects of their health care plan, so overall, they get the benefits of the health plan. Keep religion out of it!

Fisherman wrote:

I think that if religious affiliated hospitals feel that is against their mantra then they should stand up for their beliefs and be willing to forgo the FEDS money. Afterall, isn't that called "putting your money where your mouth is"? They can be funded by their masses who have the same belief system, right? Wouldn't that be furthering the
cause?

Sounds like a fabulous idea.

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Hmmm wrote:

It makes me sick that my money will be directed to abortions and that there will be more. I know there are certain circumstances where it is necessary but this is not something I want to be part of.

You don't want to be part of it? Then do something to stop turning children into sex addicts..
My solution?
1. Make The Handbook to Higher Consciousness required reading for students each year from Grades 9-12.
2. Stop the production of Soap Operas glorifying multiple parters and cheating broadcast into the homes of families with young children..
3. Mandate that romance novels have warning labels and ratings.
I think you do want to be part of it.
Each life is another opportunity for people in power to make money by turning another person into an addict..
So-called educated individuals spend all of their time learning how and putting into action methods to over-power through advertising, the wills of children and families..
then they complain about the bad behavior of their subjects..
You Corporate Stockholders attending Church every Sunday created the bad behavior..
Stop plastering Budweiser ads all over the sides of 18 wheelers, stop this for one year and watch crime rates and unwanted pregnancies go down..

"Take no part in the fruitless works of darkness; rather expose them, for it is shameful even to mention the things done by them in secret, everything exposed by the light becomes visible"
Ephesians 5:11-13
Cute that he used a Biblical Quote to condemn elected officials..
I take the quote to mean that we should expose those calling themselves religious, who hide under the cover of religious groups,
churches and hospitals,
who in secret, hold stock in commodities like Alcohol, Tobacco, Clothing, Advertising, which turn children into sex addicts..

Francis A wrote:

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Well, the government (local through federal, Democrats and Republicans alike) uses my tax money on lots of stuff that I do not like.. I guess that's the joy of the tax system. There's no "a la carte" system for paying taxes... If there were, maybe we would have less pork in government. A check list: "you may spend my money on the following: " ....... Not recommending such a thing, but just pondering upon it.

Exactly right. What's pathetic is that this person would be one of the first to ALSO cry about 'his' money being spent on the results of all those forced unwanted pregnancies, with Welfare.

Don't want to be part of it? Then do something to stop Corporate Stockholders from purposely turning children into sex addicts..
1. Make The Handbook to Higher Consciousness required reading for students each year from Grades 9-12.
2. Stop the production of Soap Operas glorifying multiple parters and cheating broadcast into the homes of families with young children..
3. Mandate that romance novels have warning labels and ratings.
4. Stop the use of advertising specifically directed towards the developing minds of children.
I think you do want to be part of it.
Each life is another opportunity for people in power(Corporate Stockholders) to make money by turning another person into an addict..
So-called 'educated individuals' spend all of their time learning and putting into action methods which will over-power through advertising, the wills of children and families..
then, these same individuals, complain about the bad behavior of their own subjects..
You Corporate Stockholders attending Church every Sunday created the bad behavior..
Stop plastering Budweiser ads all over the sides of 18 wheelers and on billboards located throughout the City, stop this for one year and watch crime rates and unwanted pregnancies go down..
"Take no part in the fruitless works of darkness; rather expose them, for it is shameful even to mention the things done by them in secret, everything exposed by the light becomes visible"
Ephesians 5:11-13
Cute how the writer used a Biblical Quote to condemn ELECTED officials..
I take the quote to mean that we should expose those calling themselves religious, who hide under the cover of religious groups,
churches and hospitals,
who in secret, hold stock in commodities like Candy, Soda, Alcohol, Tobacco, Clothing and Advertising, all of which eventually turn children into unconscious addicts..

Looks like Katherine is the kind of person who believes the blame and fault lies with some outside force or with someone else, particularly when children don't behave the way we want them to. Of course, it would have nothing to do with what they learn at home.....
And it looks like she has a thing for "sex addicts" and children. And what does she have against Budweiser? I am a Sam Adams man myself, but that doesn't mean I hold anything against Budweiser drinkers.

Emerald wrote:

<quoted text>Unfortunately, it seems that religious hospitals will either have to perform abortions or they will not receive federal funds for anything. I watched a segment on one of the news channels regarding the issue. It could result in the closing of at least 1000 Catholic hospitals, other religious hospitals will also be affected. Either they offer abortion or they get no federal money, even from Medicare or Medicaid.
I am a pro choice person...but I don't believe religious hospitals should be forced to do something that is against their beliefs in order to be compensated for the excellent care they deliver.

As usual, you present an even handed opinion.

I would re-emphasize your point about the federal fiduciary carrot (FFC) that would be used to coerce the "religious hospitals" to comply with providing abortion services and remind us all of how the FFC (our own tax dollars) is being used to force compliance with so many other government programs that may not have the approval of, or acceptance by, the majority.

We continue to be between Barak and a hard place.

It's only coercion if the hospitals have no other choice. But they do have a choice-they can decline the FEDS money and instead, pass the plate around and ask to be funded by those who are so adamantly against any abortion rights. Since the beliefs out there are so strong, then those people will be glad to foot the bill for knowing their hospital won't perform abortions, won't they? Or maybe when it comes to choosing between such strong beliefs and money, money wins out...

gladius wrote:

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As usual, you present an even handed opinion.
I would re-emphasize your point about the federal fiduciary carrot (FFC) that would be used to coerce the "religious hospitals" to comply with providing abortion services and remind us all of how the FFC (our own tax dollars) is being used to force compliance with so many other government programs that may not have the approval of, or acceptance by, the majority.
We continue to be between Barak and a hard place.

And again, while I agree with the sentiment, how do we separate reality from the spurious claims of those opposed to health reform? There is a lot of absolute baloney swirling around in an attempt to scare the people away from health care reform.

I support the women's choice. I support abortion 100%, if the person feels it's what they need to do.