Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Couldn't hurt that's for sure

You know , I really fear going to He11 but , what I also fear , is that I will be there with so many other stupid people. Know living thru life with them tends to be enough, but spending eternity with those , who are uncaring, or just plain stupid , sort of drives me to try to change. I said stupid, knowing better but will not see different.

Quantummist wrote:

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Yep and as they are allowed to fester those societies are reaching a point where they tip.... Many countries that have allowed socialist policies to grow are so in debt, so over burdened with dependent classes that they are one major event away from collapse... Being buoyed up by others.... In the case of America if that tipping point is reached there are no countries that will or can come to our rescue due to scales of economy....
Socialism is the drug of a dieing junky....

Can you name any government of any country that does not have a socialist program?

Yes and Amen wrote:

<quoted text>We know what we had...
Give the new guy a chance!
Can't be any worse!

Wait a moment, things could always be worse, and I am sure they will become just that before better. Only one leader who can make things better here on earth , and I dont think he is in either party to be honest.

Quantummist wrote:

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Please provide a couple of specific example of Fox News Lies.. Not examples of Political speakers... But of a Story where Fox News has put out a Lie....

I found this challenge interesting. Fox News is not a trustworthy news source mainly because they have an overtly right wing bias yet they claim not to. When your network puts out 24 hours of Conservative opinion day after day with a little news peppered here and there it is difficult to swallow the idea that it is "fair and balanced".

But the idea that they "lie" is probably not quite right all the time. Instead, they exaggerate and confuse. For example, if you Google "fox news lies" you get a website devoted to pointing out instances of "lies". Here's an example:

http://foxnewslies.net/...

"During a segment on the Fox News late night program Red Eye, Fox News Contributor (and former Bush White House mouthpiece) Dana Perino made the false claim that ABC’s Diane Sawyer had asked Gov. Mitt Romney about putting his dog Seamus on the roof of his car.“That was her first question,” Perino claimed....According to a transcript of the interview, the question about Seamus was the 23rd one asked."

Now personally I think Perino was simply exaggerating to make it seem like Sawyer was frivolous. But clearly the dog question was not the first one asked.

It's a silly little example, but this stuff adds up.

And here's a nice YouTube clip splicing together segments by Glen Beck (commentary) and Chris Wallace (news). It demonstrates that the "news" segments on Fox News are peppered with political commentary and opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

I'm sure Fox News has news that is correct and useful. But the way they sandwich everything between political blowhards is unpalatable to me and raises very real, well founded suspicions that it is less about news and more about selling me something I'm not interested in buying.

trusted wrote:

You know , I really fear going to He11 but , what I also fear , is that I will be there with so many other stupid people. Know living thru life with them tends to be enough, but spending eternity with those , who are uncaring, or just plain stupid , sort of drives me to try to change. I said stupid, knowing better but will not see different.

And your proof that there is a Hell or that there is some "spirit" that lives forever? Oh, please do not use the THREAT that was used on desert nomads who had no escape from the desert heat.
ONE) ether the intense heat would burn off nerve endings and we would not feel heat or we would be fireproof and heat would not matter
TWO) if there is some "spirit" it is not physical and physical fire would not effect it....
The THREAT of Hell is no different than the THREAT of death that the christian cult used to force people to join their cult. Do you respond well to threats? Are you such a coward that you believe some story the desert goat herders made up to elevate themselves above you? Do you even understand that the christian religion is a con based on the Jewish con that justified their blood lust, perversions, and theft of others wealth?

Quantummist wrote:

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Actually I see it as a bit more than chance.. It's the product of self assembly of particles with inertial mass that produce em waves through the remainder of the quanta of energy that the particles with inertial mass converted from, through the process of gravitational attraction and em wave form heterodyneing forming ever more complex structures over the period of 16 billion years or more... And it's Not Faith... It's My postulate based on evidence and understanding of the principles involved, subject to change at any point new evidence is found, verified, validated and shown testable... Faith has nothing to do with it..

Ok. Do you care to tell me where those particles and inertial mass originated from? They magically appeared right. Something had to create them in the first place?

what wrote:

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So, your faith is in time and chance. We're here, we're complex beyond our ability to understand and time and chance brought this level of order out of chaos.

I presume "what" is an advocate of ID.
A frailty of the religious argument against a rational universe is that many appear to have no concept of a world view that does not revolve around emotional faith. Is there some structure of the brain that inhibits critical analysis and error checking?(Personally, I think that partisanship and religion are 2 peas in a pod, as well.) Is the very idea that someone does not replace a faith in God with something else literally unthinkable to them? Maybe that group should seek protection through the first amendment AND the ADA.

Nuts wrote:

<quoted text>Ok. Do you care to tell me where those particles and inertial mass originated from? They magically appeared right. Something had to create them in the first place?

Really? Why did "something" have to create them? What something "created" your god? Did he just "POOF" magically appear? Was he always? Why can he exist to create everything but energy and matter had to be created?
Shouldnt we worship what created your mythical god?(but then we would be worshiping jewish people because they created the god you worship)
Hey, instead of worshiping the jewish god why not worship the God your ancestors worshiped? The christian cult can not murder you for that like they did 200 years ago
But I tell you, if you do not believe in Santa Claus you will spend forever in Haiti!

God the creator. Creator of God?

Satanic Priest wrote:

<quoted text>Really? Why did "something" have to create them? What something "created" your god? Did he just "POOF" magically appear? Was he always? Why can he exist to create everything but energy and matter had to be created?
Shouldnt we worship what created your mythical god?(but then we would be worshiping jewish people because they created the god you worship)
Hey, instead of worshiping the jewish god why not worship the God your ancestors worshiped? The christian cult can not murder you for that like they did 200 years ago
But I tell you, if you do not believe in Santa Claus you will spend forever in Haiti!

I think you took this as I was attacking you, but I did not mean to and I am sorry if that is the way it sounded. I am not saying you are right or wrong. I do believe in God, yet I question everything. I am just as curious and want to learn others beliefs and why they believe them. You are right, I want to know where the God I believe in came from, however it just seems more logical to me that a God could create a particle than vice versa is all.

kellerman wrote:

It's not appropriate to teach religion in school. we live in a diverse society and can't teach all religions in schools. One has to keep these separate, it's up to the parents to inform their children on religious upbringing. I thought this issue was long solved, but i see it keeps coming back up.

Then we should stop teaching evolution as well since it is in reality a religion. It takes inordinate amounts of faith to believe that we spontaneously came into existence from inanimate matter. And no matter how much the scientists tout their evidence promoting evolution, when it is looked upon in the grand scale their evidence is minuscule and pathetically flimsy. Freedom of religion is truly freedom of religion only when it includes all creation theories.

cavermax wrote:

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Then we should stop teaching evolution as well since it is in reality a religion. It takes inordinate amounts of faith to believe that we spontaneously came into existence from inanimate matter. And no matter how much the scientists tout their evidence promoting evolution, when it is looked upon in the grand scale their evidence is minuscule and pathetically flimsy. Freedom of religion is truly freedom of religion only when it includes all creation theories.

You have a valid point there........

cavermax wrote:

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Then we should stop teaching evolution as well since it is in reality a religion. It takes inordinate amounts of faith to believe that we spontaneously came into existence from inanimate matter. And no matter how much the scientists tout their evidence promoting evolution, when it is looked upon in the grand scale their evidence is minuscule and pathetically flimsy. Freedom of religion is truly freedom of religion only when it includes all creation theories.

LOL! It only took 27 minutes for somebody to provide an excellent example.

A frailty of the religious argument against a rational universe is that many appear to have no concept of a world view that does not revolve around emotional faith. Is there some structure of the brain that inhibits critical analysis and error checking? Is the very idea that someone does not replace a faith in God with something else literally unthinkable to them? Maybe that group should seek protection through the first amendment AND the ADA.

Yes and Amen wrote:

<quoted text>Because He gave me all the evidence I needed!
He is real, and IF you draw close to Him...
You'll have it too!
Just as yer Grammy did/does!

He, he and him, a bit full of yourself are ya, did not know the spirit world was concerned with male and female labels, does that mean you male christians will be in charge or is the bibles rules invalid in heaven?

Yes and Amen wrote:

<quoted text>We know what we had...
Give the new guy a chance!
Can't be any worse!

"Can't be any worse." Really???
That's the same kind of thinking that says, "Here, hold my beer and watch THIS!"

Yes and Amen wrote:

<quoted text>Fourth century writing... doesn't mean a thing!
Not like first century....
Even IF Jesus was married... it was to One Woman!

Lol, when do you think the nt was written? If(?), I think we now know jesus was married, and probably bisexual, dont worry your early exploits will get you some browneye points.

Yes and Amen wrote:

<quoted text>Whatever you want to believe...
You'll know the truth in a few short breaths, as everyone else!

I know the truth, buy a clue.

trusted wrote:

You know , I really fear going to He11 but , what I also fear , is that I will be there with so many other stupid people. Know living thru life with them tends to be enough, but spending eternity with those , who are uncaring, or just plain stupid , sort of drives me to try to change. I said stupid, knowing better but will not see different.

"the fearful", did you know the lake of fire awaits.

Nuts wrote:

<quoted text>Ok. Do you care to tell me where those particles and inertial mass originated from? They magically appeared right. Something had to create them in the first place?

And the lord said, let there be "particles and inertial mass" POOF, roflmao, and thats what god called them "particles and inertial mass".